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DH has given me an ultimatum

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tempusername22 · 18/08/2020 05:47

He has decreed that I am obsessed by my phone and said that if I don't address it, our marriage is over as he doesn't want to be married to someone who would rather use her phone than spend time with him. We live in a small apartment a long way from our families, DC have left home. We both work full time. Apart from work, we spend over 95% of our time together (I sometimes meet friends for coffee or book club, he very rarely goes out unless it's a work thing, and those aren't happening right now anyway).

I don't use Facebook, but do use Twitter (I'm a teacher and have made a lot of useful connections through there, including being part of a software development trial which will benefit my school and becoming a tutor for an online course, which has paid me over £1000). I've recently started learning two relevant and useful languages on Duolingo. In the past, I have deleted apps that I felt were too 'compulsive'. I tend to use the phone to read the news or play a short game when we are in the car, but never have it on the dinner table at home or out, but might use it in a cafe if DH is on his or I'm updating the shopping list etc. I'll take it out if I'm hanging around in a clothes shop while he tries something on or he has gone to the toilet in the shopping centre. He says 'Every time I emerge from somewhere, you are on it.' The car and the shops are probably the easiest times to stop using it as I feel like he needs to really see the difference right now.

I don't get a screen time report but I just looked it up and it says the average is 2h 40 mins - bear in mind that this is during school holidays so it would be less if I was at work. I drive to work so don't use it when commuting, but I listen to audiobooks and podcasts when exercising, shopping on my own and when driving on my own. I also have work emails on there plus work and work-related WhatsApp groups.

I've done three online smartphone addiction quizzes, 2 said yes you have a problem, the third said no. I answered yes to do you keep it by the bed, because I charge it there, but we both do. I also answered yes to do you message people more than talking face to face, and that's also yes due to covid and geography and time zones and being at home alone a lot right now.

I'm absolutely prepared to address this, as I don't want my marriage to end. However, I am sometimes using it purely for entertainment to stave off boredom. I'm not a party animal but we very rarely go out in the evenings, so we eat about 7.30 and then we're in our pjs for the night. The tv is always on and we have some shared tastes, some not so much (rugby and police programmes, especially). DH is really into music and I'd rather read, so if we're home on a weekend he will often watch music videos on tv and I will read or use my phone.

I told him that I would like us to have one tv-free night a week and that I don't want to tell him not to watch the things he wants to watch but that if I'm not interested in it I will do something else like read or use my phone. In the row he said at one point 'I don't know what you use it for' and at another that it was due to social media use, which it isn't, and I challenged that because he can't say he doesn't know and then tell me what the problem is. In lockdown my friend lent me a 1000 piece puzzle, which he helped a little with, but also complained that he had 'lost' me to that. I really enjoyed doing it but didn't do it 24/7.

At one point I was almost playing argument bingo - these things always come up:
I earn XXXXXX and that's why I have to have my work phone and be available 24/7
Your salary isn't enough to pay the rent here
Has this been an issue in previous relationships
Has anyone said this to you before
I'm not having another relationship where I'm treated like xxx
I don't need your income/intellect
You're treating me like I'm an idiot
I can manage perfectly well by myself (e.g. cooking etc)
I moved here so that we could spend more time together but not for this

This has been an issue several times over the last few years (we've lived here 2 years now). He accepts that I have gone some way to addressing it but says it's not enough, and that I am not the sort of person who should need to be asked more than once so clearly I don't care. It was a very one-sided row that lasted about 3 hours and involved dinner going in the bin. He's been really short with me the last few days so I guess this was brewing. He left for work this morning and I had a terse 'I'm going' and that was it.

He insists he doesn't want me to feel like I can't use my phone and it doesn't need to be out of reach, but when at home I just need to manage how I use it better. Although I think he is over-reacting, and there are underlying issues from his previous relationship, I definitely do not want this to be the end of our marriage so I will sort it out. I need some sort of engagement from him so that I don't die of boredom on the sofa every night. He said if it's not your phone it's your tablet/laptop, but all of my reading takes place on a device e.g. Kindle or tablet. I feel like he doesn't 'do' anything - apart from the gym, which we used to do together but this is tricky now that every other treadmill is out of use so we stagger our visits at the moment - so once at home if he's not doing domestic stuff or work stuff, there's only the tv. He doesn't read, plays the guitar but very infrequently, and has no hobbies.

Don't say LTB, it's not happening and I wouldn't over this - although he has said I can move out and then I can use my phone as much as I want. He's angry but also said he's very unhappy, and I don't want to be the cause of that.

Sorry it's so long!

OP posts:
Happynow001 · 18/08/2020 11:47

@frazzledasarock

How is everyone getting 'constantly on the phone' from 2h 40min per day?

I spend waaaay over that on mine.

I had was married to a guy like yours OP, I wasn't actually allowed a phone in the first instance anyway. Why do you need a phone who will you be messaging.
Then I wasn't allowed to read books, it's a waste of time, engage with the children or do housework, anything I found fun or engaging he found a reason why I should not be doing it, at one point he said if I was bored i should take a nap as that was a more sontructive use of my time!

Then I took up knitting and told Dc I would knit her a patchwork blanket, DC was very excited and sit with me to monitor progress. Fuckface had no come back to that, although he frantically tried to find a reason why I shouldn't be knitting either.

Then I LTB, and I life is good.

Phew! 😁

slappaplek · 18/08/2020 11:51

@CallmeAngelina

She has not been forbidden to do anything.

I'm sorry, but that's possibly one of the most naive comments I've seen in a while. OP's situation aside, that's not how controlling people work; they're much more subtle than to "forbid" things outright.

I have no experience with controlling people so possibly I am naïve about that. But nowhere (that I have seen anyway) has the OP said her DH has told her she is not allowed to do something.

I can only comment on the information the OP has provided on this post, he has highlighted and issue which apparently has been an issue for years and he has said he is unhappy, some of the reactions here seem OTT and almost crazed to me.

frazzledasarock · 18/08/2020 11:57

In lockdown my friend lent me a 1000 piece puzzle, which he helped a little with, but also complained that he had 'lost' me to that. I really enjoyed doing it but didn't do it 24/7.

This would be the H preventing OP from doing her puzzle, or at least enjoying it as he's sniping at her over it.

Starsabove1 · 18/08/2020 11:57

@CallmeAngelina you say he’s had a problem with OP for ‘years’. She says they have lived together for 2. In other words he’s had an issue with her not giving him undivided attention the entire time.

If you agree you have no experience of controlling people and may be naive, staying quiet and observing what those who do have experience say might be more useful to you than calling them OTT and crazed.

Which, incidentally, is exactly the language a controlling person would use when called out.

DemolitionBarbie · 18/08/2020 11:59

It's deeply unattractive that he's trying to pester you into spending time with him, instead of making sure you want to spend time with him.

E.g. asking if you want to go for a walk with him or do some other activity rather than telling you to stop what you're doing so you're free for him just in case he wants to engage with you. He sounds like a massive drain on you, tbh.

tempusername22 · 18/08/2020 12:00

We have lived here for two years, together for 10, married for four. We are both in our 50s.

OP posts:
category12 · 18/08/2020 12:07

I have no experience with controlling people so possibly I am naïve about that. But nowhere (that I have seen anyway) has the OP said her DH has told her she is not allowed to do something.

Look at the language Op uses - he decrees, he insists, he gives ultimatums, it was a one-sided row that went on for hours, etc. How is that not telling her she's not allowed to do something?! It is not those words explicitly, but you don't need it spelt out.

slappaplek · 18/08/2020 12:11

[quote Starsabove1]@CallmeAngelina you say he’s had a problem with OP for ‘years’. She says they have lived together for 2. In other words he’s had an issue with her not giving him undivided attention the entire time.

If you agree you have no experience of controlling people and may be naive, staying quiet and observing what those who do have experience say might be more useful to you than calling them OTT and crazed.

Which, incidentally, is exactly the language a controlling person would use when called out.[/quote]
You've tagged the wrong person, that was my comment.

OP said This has been an issue several times over the last few years (we've lived here 2 years now)
I see the DH in this situation as frustrated and at the end of his tether, rather than controlling.

I think calling him a prick, twat and abusive based on the OP's posts is OTT, yes. Maybe not crazed... I'll retract that word.

It's only my opinion, I suppose I'm interpreting it differently.

chatterbugmegastar · 18/08/2020 12:11

People very quick to jump to conclusions about a controlling man. I think he sounds very unhappy about his relationship.

He probably is unhappy

Is the answer to his unhappiness to get his wife to spend 2 hours 40 minutes more time each day , focussing on him?

🤪

Honestly - words fail me sometimes - well they don't, but I don't like the c word Confused

ComputersaysRAVE · 18/08/2020 12:14

To make you feel better op - checked my screen report.

Average usage since lockdown has gone up from 3 hours a day (due to work and long distance friendships)

To .......EIGHT HOURS A DAY.

its now my main source of entertainment with Spotify, audible, prime , duolingo (three languages on the go)

I think he's taking the mick tbh

Starsabove1 · 18/08/2020 12:34

Apologies @CallmeAngelina for incorrectly tagging!

@slappaplek thanks for the correction.

You are of course entitled to your opinion and interpretation.

From my POV if OPs husband was saying he was frustrated with her phone use and they were doing more things together as a result that would be one thing.
But the way OP has told it, he continues to watch crap on TV that she isn’t interested in but still expects her to sit doing nothing.

He can have his phone 24/7 because he’s very important - OP has used her phone to further her professional skills and earning potential but that’s a terrible slight to her poor husband. Who then goes on to insult her earning power.

He doesn’t even like her doing puzzles or reading as it’s not giving her attention to him.

That’s not reasonable or fair.

His argument centred around belittling her, her earning power, threats to leave.

He’s frustrated alright - that he doesn’t get everything his own way.

Maybe he isn’t an abuser. But he’s not a good partner to OP or anyone with an attitude like that.

If I was OP I’d be using my phone to plan a very happy life without him and soon.

FinallyHere · 18/08/2020 12:36

My question about his complaint Every time I emerge from somewhere, you are on it.' is he really expecting you to just sit waiting for him without reaching for entertainment ?

I need some sort of engagement from him so that I don’t die of boredom on the sofa every night

How much time does he spend engaging with you every day, actually interacting?

The basic issue I think is that if you rule out leaving someone, regardless of the state of your relationship, you hand them a big stick with which to beat you.

Are you really happy to comply with any ultimatum he issues?

You already know that this relationship isn't good for you.

MintyMabel · 18/08/2020 12:41

Although I must admit that I hate it when you leave someone for two seconds (ie to go to the toilet) and when they come back they’ve got their phone out.

You expect someone just to sit there patiently anticipating your return? Ridiculous. If you’re not with someone, they are quite entitled to fill that time any way they wish. A trip to the toilet doesn’t take two seconds.

phones are relationship killers

Rubbish. Looking at a phone is no different to reading or watching TV, listening to music on headphones. If someone is choosing to do that rather than engaging in a relationship, the relationship is already in trouble. When I was young, seeing a child reading a book to the exclusion of others, particularly in a restaurant was considered the height of bad manners. Nowadays it is seen as some kind of fantastic achievement because the child isn’t on a phone. Both are entirely unacceptable and drawing a distinction only confirms a person’s Luddite type mindset.

FinallyHere · 18/08/2020 12:41

I use my phone all.the.time, it has replaced my alarm clock, radio, reading book, newspapers. I enjoy spending time in MN and superficially catching up with social media. My work mostly arrives via my phone (and laptop) When cooking i check recipes. Online shopping brings the food we eat and the chairs in which we sit outside.

DH would never consider asking me to put it down.

He might ask me a question so we end up talking (for hours) even then if we wonder about something (who sang the original of that song, when was that film made) we would both google.

Doesn't everyone?

Motoko · 18/08/2020 12:42

@category12

I have no experience with controlling people so possibly I am naïve about that. But nowhere (that I have seen anyway) has the OP said her DH has told her she is not allowed to do something.

Look at the language Op uses - he decrees, he insists, he gives ultimatums, it was a one-sided row that went on for hours, etc. How is that not telling her she's not allowed to do something?! It is not those words explicitly, but you don't need it spelt out.

Exactly. It's called coercive control.
Cam77 · 18/08/2020 12:59

He sounds very strange and controlling. My wife spends twice that on her phone every day. Admittedly a lot of it is for work, but still. An hour or two of face to face "quality" time is plenty for many couples on an average work type day. Peoples have their own lives and interests too.

suggestionsplease1 · 18/08/2020 13:04

You're perfectly entitled to spend time on your phone, he's perfectly entitled to say that the level of phone use is a deal breaker for him and he wants out.

I personally wouldn't consider that controlling, that's just a statement of what one person says they are prepared for in a relationship and they should then follow through on the break up if the other person is not happy about the proposed compromise (again, as is that person's perfectly legitimate decision.)

Relationships are about compromise, but if you can't reach one best for you both to move on.

BrandyandBabycham · 18/08/2020 13:37

Your OP makes very uncomfortable reading. And my goodness a 3 hour argument ( or actually it sounds more like a lecture from your DH!) ending in dinner thrown in the bin! I would be thinking seriously about whether your future lies with this man.

WinterSunglasses · 18/08/2020 13:44

When is he going to put some time into researching board games? Or other things to do? Or is it your job to be entertainments manager?

Nanny0gg · 18/08/2020 14:11

@bugsinarow

It is not clear what he does want.

If you want to stay both need to set some clear rules. At this time on these days you will be spending time together. At this time on these days you will be doing x together. Outside these times you can do what you want.
Without clear rules everytime you are on your phone - no matter how legitmately will become an irritation for him.

BTW complaining because you are on the phone when he is in a changing room is really batshit of him.

Just reading this makes me feel absolutely suffocated!
DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 18/08/2020 14:35

Hi OP. It sounds from your post as if you have really thought this through, but I think that you need to have a third person to mediate and both talk it over. I say this because I think you need some support in this argument, seem to be taking most of the flak and he thinks he is completely right. Its a 50-50 thing. A mediator might make him wake up and see that he is being quite demanding and help you both find a way to resolve this without you always being in the dog house.
He does sound controlling to me as if you are expected to spring into action and be all alert and attention giving as soon as he walks in, and be ready to talk and interact whilst he watches crap tv.
Also, yes kindle and other things are tablets, but its the same as reading a book or a newspaper, would he make you apologise for that?
What does he do to be engaging?
Difficult during lockdown but if you spend 95% of your time together you should be allowed some time to look at other things. Why does your phone count as a bad thing but watching crap TV that your partner isnot interested in does not.
Also, not learning Spanish now in case you forget it? What complete and utter rubbish. Also, why is he allowed to dictate when and where you should learn a language. If he sees it as a waste of time what is he saying you should do with the time instead, pay more attention to him?
Personally I can't stand people who are easily bored expecting others to provide their entertainment. Its so childish and very tiring to be around, why can't he think of something interesting for you both to do. Why is this your job and you are in the wrong for not doing it?
He needs to find some hobbies if he's that bored. At the moment his hobby seems to be complaining about what you are doing to entertain and engage your mind during lockdown and I feel quite cross on your behalf (sorry )

KaptainKaveman · 18/08/2020 14:39

Why not try reading books? it's far better than turning into a swivel-eyed phone bore.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 18/08/2020 14:42

Also. No way i'm sitting through 90mins of football team I've no interest in and the mid match chit chat. He won't watch Historical stuff, So we've developed the habit of, when the other isn't interested in TV, they are on ipad watching a film with ear phones or something. We are still sitting together and chat in between that's what the pause/rewind button is for so that we can stop and chat. Its a two way thing. I wouldn't sit there if I was expected to watch him watch football in case he needed my attention. That would seem bats, to me .

pointythings · 18/08/2020 15:32

KaptainKaveman you do realise you can - ahem - download books onto a phone and read them? Some people prefer this to paper. Doesn't make it bad, or swivel eyed.

SynchroSwimmer · 18/08/2020 16:57

OP, how about getting your OH to post his question on another forum (Gransnet - if there is no Mansnet?)....without telling him about your original post here.

Would be interesting for you to see his expectations written down and the behaviour as he describes it - and for you both to see the replies and advice that others give him?
(I.e. others should advise him (and confirm to you) that your behaviour and actions are all very normal and well considered)

I have a live-apart partner who criticises me similarly, when we spend 12 hours a day chatting, he still grumbles that I am “having a relationship” with my IPad!

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