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DH has given me an ultimatum

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tempusername22 · 18/08/2020 05:47

He has decreed that I am obsessed by my phone and said that if I don't address it, our marriage is over as he doesn't want to be married to someone who would rather use her phone than spend time with him. We live in a small apartment a long way from our families, DC have left home. We both work full time. Apart from work, we spend over 95% of our time together (I sometimes meet friends for coffee or book club, he very rarely goes out unless it's a work thing, and those aren't happening right now anyway).

I don't use Facebook, but do use Twitter (I'm a teacher and have made a lot of useful connections through there, including being part of a software development trial which will benefit my school and becoming a tutor for an online course, which has paid me over £1000). I've recently started learning two relevant and useful languages on Duolingo. In the past, I have deleted apps that I felt were too 'compulsive'. I tend to use the phone to read the news or play a short game when we are in the car, but never have it on the dinner table at home or out, but might use it in a cafe if DH is on his or I'm updating the shopping list etc. I'll take it out if I'm hanging around in a clothes shop while he tries something on or he has gone to the toilet in the shopping centre. He says 'Every time I emerge from somewhere, you are on it.' The car and the shops are probably the easiest times to stop using it as I feel like he needs to really see the difference right now.

I don't get a screen time report but I just looked it up and it says the average is 2h 40 mins - bear in mind that this is during school holidays so it would be less if I was at work. I drive to work so don't use it when commuting, but I listen to audiobooks and podcasts when exercising, shopping on my own and when driving on my own. I also have work emails on there plus work and work-related WhatsApp groups.

I've done three online smartphone addiction quizzes, 2 said yes you have a problem, the third said no. I answered yes to do you keep it by the bed, because I charge it there, but we both do. I also answered yes to do you message people more than talking face to face, and that's also yes due to covid and geography and time zones and being at home alone a lot right now.

I'm absolutely prepared to address this, as I don't want my marriage to end. However, I am sometimes using it purely for entertainment to stave off boredom. I'm not a party animal but we very rarely go out in the evenings, so we eat about 7.30 and then we're in our pjs for the night. The tv is always on and we have some shared tastes, some not so much (rugby and police programmes, especially). DH is really into music and I'd rather read, so if we're home on a weekend he will often watch music videos on tv and I will read or use my phone.

I told him that I would like us to have one tv-free night a week and that I don't want to tell him not to watch the things he wants to watch but that if I'm not interested in it I will do something else like read or use my phone. In the row he said at one point 'I don't know what you use it for' and at another that it was due to social media use, which it isn't, and I challenged that because he can't say he doesn't know and then tell me what the problem is. In lockdown my friend lent me a 1000 piece puzzle, which he helped a little with, but also complained that he had 'lost' me to that. I really enjoyed doing it but didn't do it 24/7.

At one point I was almost playing argument bingo - these things always come up:
I earn XXXXXX and that's why I have to have my work phone and be available 24/7
Your salary isn't enough to pay the rent here
Has this been an issue in previous relationships
Has anyone said this to you before
I'm not having another relationship where I'm treated like xxx
I don't need your income/intellect
You're treating me like I'm an idiot
I can manage perfectly well by myself (e.g. cooking etc)
I moved here so that we could spend more time together but not for this

This has been an issue several times over the last few years (we've lived here 2 years now). He accepts that I have gone some way to addressing it but says it's not enough, and that I am not the sort of person who should need to be asked more than once so clearly I don't care. It was a very one-sided row that lasted about 3 hours and involved dinner going in the bin. He's been really short with me the last few days so I guess this was brewing. He left for work this morning and I had a terse 'I'm going' and that was it.

He insists he doesn't want me to feel like I can't use my phone and it doesn't need to be out of reach, but when at home I just need to manage how I use it better. Although I think he is over-reacting, and there are underlying issues from his previous relationship, I definitely do not want this to be the end of our marriage so I will sort it out. I need some sort of engagement from him so that I don't die of boredom on the sofa every night. He said if it's not your phone it's your tablet/laptop, but all of my reading takes place on a device e.g. Kindle or tablet. I feel like he doesn't 'do' anything - apart from the gym, which we used to do together but this is tricky now that every other treadmill is out of use so we stagger our visits at the moment - so once at home if he's not doing domestic stuff or work stuff, there's only the tv. He doesn't read, plays the guitar but very infrequently, and has no hobbies.

Don't say LTB, it's not happening and I wouldn't over this - although he has said I can move out and then I can use my phone as much as I want. He's angry but also said he's very unhappy, and I don't want to be the cause of that.

Sorry it's so long!

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IdrisElbow · 18/08/2020 07:16

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monkeyonthetable · 18/08/2020 07:17

The subject is raised and you say you don't want to LTB. So my guess is he wants more focused, engaged time with you. And you in return want to do something interesting with your life, despite COVID and other restrictions.

In your position, I'd each make a list of 10 things you'd enjoy doing together which don't involve screens. Suggest some of them are challenges and others just pastimes. Do the lists separately then swap and compare.
You could suggest C25K, learning a language together, redecorating your home or sorting out the garden together, planning a once-in-a-lifetime holiday, learning to dance, going out for hikes, cooking new recipes etc.

category12 · 18/08/2020 07:17

It isn't "asking", it's giving an ultimatum and demanding. Her phone usage doesn't sound excessive and he gets stroppy over "losing" her to a jigsaw, fgs.

Meruem · 18/08/2020 07:21

Someone being on their phone constantly can be annoying but, he also had an issue with you doing a jigsaw. I have dated men like this. They want to watch their crap on TV but they also want you sitting there giving them your full attention while they do it. These men will moan if you want to do anything else that doesn’t involve focusing on them. You can give up the phone but he won’t let you do anything else in it’s place. Is that how you want to live?

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 18/08/2020 07:23

"He said if it's not your phone it's your tablet/laptop, but all of my reading takes place on a device e.g. Kindle or tablet. I feel like he doesn't 'do' anything - apart from the gym, which we used to do together but this is tricky now that every other treadmill is out of use so we stagger our visits at the moment - so once at home if he's not doing domestic stuff or work stuff, there's only the tv. He doesn't read, plays the guitar but very infrequently, and has no hobbies."

So, again, what he wants is for you to sit uncomplaining watching whatever he wants on tv but not doing anything else? How very fucking stultifying!

randomer · 18/08/2020 07:24

Put the phone in a box in your bedroom for 24 hours. See how it goes.

Newjobnewstart · 18/08/2020 07:25

You might not think yiu are on it a lot but it is annoying when someone is constantly on their phone. My dh is forever on his just catching up 🙄 he cant even watch a movie without being on it and tbh im sick of it.

premiumshoes · 18/08/2020 07:25

I'm absolutely prepared to address this, as I don't want my marriage to end.

It sounds like you would be better without him. He is being a controlling prick. Imagine telling another adult they shouldn't use their own mobile phone. And there you are posting a huge OP outlining what you do on it to justify your use. You are an adult, you do not need to do that.

FippertyGibbett · 18/08/2020 07:25

If you don’t want to leave him then you put away your phone like you’ve been told to.
Personally I’d tell him to sod off, and that your phone is better company than him. And not to slam the door on his way out.

Redraptor · 18/08/2020 07:28

It drives me mad if I'm mid conversation with my dh, step into the next room to grab something, still talking and step back in and hes got his phone out.

However, 2hrs a day doesn't seem a lot especially when you work on it. The fact that he got annoyed about you doing a puzzle shows it's about more then the phone

Why dont you go out together?

YgritteSnow · 18/08/2020 07:31

I think, if it wasn't your phone use that is supposedly a problem, he'd soon find something else to rant about. I think you will soon see this once you reduce phone time and think it's worth going along with it for a while to see. He sounds like he likes to project any dissatisfaction he has about life in general, onto the woman in his life and your phone use was the perfect scapegoat to grab on to.

SpillTheTeaa · 18/08/2020 07:31

When someone gives you an ultimatum you know it's time to go. Your phone, your life and you pay for the bloody thing.
He can't control you. Sad little man.

Somethingkindaoooo · 18/08/2020 07:32

Do you guys spend quality time together?
Sounds like that's the problem...

Bloodylush · 18/08/2020 07:33

It sounded a lot in your op but added up it only comes to 2 hours 40 minutes. In lockdown I have been on my iPad 5 hours or more per day! No bloke to complain fortunately.

Maybe it’s all the times you get the phone out even if you just look at it briefly that makes it look like you are using it constantly. Can you go extended periods of time without using it?

You don’t want to leave and it sounds like he is adamant or he will end the relationship. It’s an easy ultimatum really.

YgritteSnow · 18/08/2020 07:33

Is it particularly nice to sit there and completely ignore someone whilst you play on your phone? I don't think he is being unreasonable.

And yet no where in the lengthy description OP gave did she say she does this at all.

Saracen · 18/08/2020 07:36

So he watches TV which you aren't interested in, but doesn't like you doing things on your phone which he isn't interested in?

He feels he wants more of a connection with you and that you are distracted by your phone. That is fair enough. But he can't have it both ways and have the telly on every evening if he wants your attention.

Why not agree with him and propose a few screen-free evenings a week to bring you closer together? Ask him what he would like to do with you which doesn't involve using a screen, and suggest some things you'd like to try.

Friendsoftheearth · 18/08/2020 07:36

premiumshoes so are you saying dh should not be able to raise his need to spend more time with her? That he needs to shut up and put up with being ignored every evening?

Do we really think that is the way to go. It is my phone and I will do what I want. It sounds childish and immature to me. Surely it is important to listen when others are trying to tell you they are unhappy, to address the issues, come to an agreement that works for both. Just simply stating it is my phone there is the door, will end in divorce I am certain.

Most relationships and marriages are about compromise and consensus.

Redwinestillfine · 18/08/2020 07:37

Can you agree set times you have as couples time when you leave phones t the door so to speak? Also maybe keep it downstairs at night?

VivaMiltonKeynes · 18/08/2020 07:38

Why are you talking about previous relationships when you have grown up children ? That would have been a long time ago or are they not yours together? I'm trying to gauge your situation .

We have agreed "screen times" after dinner but before we catch up for the rest of the evening and then phones are left out of the room .

premiumshoes · 18/08/2020 07:39

so are you saying dh should not be able to raise his need to spend more time with her? That he needs to shut up and put up with being ignored every evening?

No. That's not what I said. Not even close.

ElinoristhenewEnid · 18/08/2020 07:40

What was his response to you wanting one tv free night per week?

Motoko · 18/08/2020 07:42

As pps say, this is about more than just the phone. I wonder if he wants to leave the relationship (bored, or another woman he's interested in) and is manufacturing a problem, so he feels justified in leaving.

Or, he's just a controlling prick, and wants your attention 24/7. He doesn't sound like he has any respect for you.

Friendsoftheearth · 18/08/2020 07:43

He insists he doesn't want me to feel like I can't use my phone and it doesn't need to be out of reach, but when at home I just need to manage how I use it better

He is not insisting you stop using your phone, just that spend more time together. So he is not controlling phone use in my view.

This has been an issue several times over the last few years

If nothing has changed, then that is a long time to be feeling second best to a phone.

It is not your job to keep him entertained every evening, but we do have prioritise connection, time and going out together if the relationship is to survive and succeed.

I would not be able to stand someone on their phone all the time either, so I agree with him, but he needs to step up and make the evenings more interesting.

MadameMeursault · 18/08/2020 07:43

He sounds controlling. I think you need to have a chat with him about what he wants you to do with him instead. And if it’s just staring at the tv watching things you’re not interested in then fuck that. Your usage doesn’t sound excessive. Why not ask him if he’d like to be involved e.g. in learning the languages?

HorsePellets · 18/08/2020 07:43

So.......you’re supposed to just sit about twiddling your thumbs waiting until he deigns to engage with you? Because that’s how it seems. He watches tv (screen time), in fact he does whatever he wants, but if you do something that you find engaging (whether that be a book, puzzle, or something educational, work-related, or frivolous) on your phone he gets pissy? Even if that thing is while he is actively engaged in something else instead?

This isn't about the phone.