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DH has given me an ultimatum

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tempusername22 · 18/08/2020 05:47

He has decreed that I am obsessed by my phone and said that if I don't address it, our marriage is over as he doesn't want to be married to someone who would rather use her phone than spend time with him. We live in a small apartment a long way from our families, DC have left home. We both work full time. Apart from work, we spend over 95% of our time together (I sometimes meet friends for coffee or book club, he very rarely goes out unless it's a work thing, and those aren't happening right now anyway).

I don't use Facebook, but do use Twitter (I'm a teacher and have made a lot of useful connections through there, including being part of a software development trial which will benefit my school and becoming a tutor for an online course, which has paid me over £1000). I've recently started learning two relevant and useful languages on Duolingo. In the past, I have deleted apps that I felt were too 'compulsive'. I tend to use the phone to read the news or play a short game when we are in the car, but never have it on the dinner table at home or out, but might use it in a cafe if DH is on his or I'm updating the shopping list etc. I'll take it out if I'm hanging around in a clothes shop while he tries something on or he has gone to the toilet in the shopping centre. He says 'Every time I emerge from somewhere, you are on it.' The car and the shops are probably the easiest times to stop using it as I feel like he needs to really see the difference right now.

I don't get a screen time report but I just looked it up and it says the average is 2h 40 mins - bear in mind that this is during school holidays so it would be less if I was at work. I drive to work so don't use it when commuting, but I listen to audiobooks and podcasts when exercising, shopping on my own and when driving on my own. I also have work emails on there plus work and work-related WhatsApp groups.

I've done three online smartphone addiction quizzes, 2 said yes you have a problem, the third said no. I answered yes to do you keep it by the bed, because I charge it there, but we both do. I also answered yes to do you message people more than talking face to face, and that's also yes due to covid and geography and time zones and being at home alone a lot right now.

I'm absolutely prepared to address this, as I don't want my marriage to end. However, I am sometimes using it purely for entertainment to stave off boredom. I'm not a party animal but we very rarely go out in the evenings, so we eat about 7.30 and then we're in our pjs for the night. The tv is always on and we have some shared tastes, some not so much (rugby and police programmes, especially). DH is really into music and I'd rather read, so if we're home on a weekend he will often watch music videos on tv and I will read or use my phone.

I told him that I would like us to have one tv-free night a week and that I don't want to tell him not to watch the things he wants to watch but that if I'm not interested in it I will do something else like read or use my phone. In the row he said at one point 'I don't know what you use it for' and at another that it was due to social media use, which it isn't, and I challenged that because he can't say he doesn't know and then tell me what the problem is. In lockdown my friend lent me a 1000 piece puzzle, which he helped a little with, but also complained that he had 'lost' me to that. I really enjoyed doing it but didn't do it 24/7.

At one point I was almost playing argument bingo - these things always come up:
I earn XXXXXX and that's why I have to have my work phone and be available 24/7
Your salary isn't enough to pay the rent here
Has this been an issue in previous relationships
Has anyone said this to you before
I'm not having another relationship where I'm treated like xxx
I don't need your income/intellect
You're treating me like I'm an idiot
I can manage perfectly well by myself (e.g. cooking etc)
I moved here so that we could spend more time together but not for this

This has been an issue several times over the last few years (we've lived here 2 years now). He accepts that I have gone some way to addressing it but says it's not enough, and that I am not the sort of person who should need to be asked more than once so clearly I don't care. It was a very one-sided row that lasted about 3 hours and involved dinner going in the bin. He's been really short with me the last few days so I guess this was brewing. He left for work this morning and I had a terse 'I'm going' and that was it.

He insists he doesn't want me to feel like I can't use my phone and it doesn't need to be out of reach, but when at home I just need to manage how I use it better. Although I think he is over-reacting, and there are underlying issues from his previous relationship, I definitely do not want this to be the end of our marriage so I will sort it out. I need some sort of engagement from him so that I don't die of boredom on the sofa every night. He said if it's not your phone it's your tablet/laptop, but all of my reading takes place on a device e.g. Kindle or tablet. I feel like he doesn't 'do' anything - apart from the gym, which we used to do together but this is tricky now that every other treadmill is out of use so we stagger our visits at the moment - so once at home if he's not doing domestic stuff or work stuff, there's only the tv. He doesn't read, plays the guitar but very infrequently, and has no hobbies.

Don't say LTB, it's not happening and I wouldn't over this - although he has said I can move out and then I can use my phone as much as I want. He's angry but also said he's very unhappy, and I don't want to be the cause of that.

Sorry it's so long!

OP posts:
Drivingdownthe101 · 18/08/2020 08:46

@Friendsoftheearth

driving trying/shopping for new clothes can be a shared experience, and one lots of couples do, it is only tedious if you are not interested and don't want to be there. Otherwise it can be humorous, helpful to get an opinion etc.

You seem to be confusing spending time together as subservience.

Op should only be there if she wants to be, and is genuinely interested, otherwise she says no thanks see you downstairs. The problem arises when you are no longer interested in anything your partner is doing.

I am not confusing anything for anything. He was in the changing rooms, trying clothes on. She was waiting outside. While she couldn’t see him (he was in a changing room, she was outside it), it couldn’t possibly be a shared experience, could it? In the time that she was unable to see/engage with him, she went on her phone to relieve the boredom. Should she have been waiting expectantly for him to emerge?
category12 · 18/08/2020 08:47

Op, if you're still here, if your dh is insecure or needy emotionally, it's not your job to fix.

Yes, we can be supportive to partners, but we shouldn't have to restrict ourselves and isolate ourselves to do that. He needs to learn to self-soothe, don't pander to it.

TatianaBis · 18/08/2020 08:48

He just sounds like a very boring man OP - gym TV, doesn’t read, no hobbies - why did you marry him?

I’d be on my phone 24/7 with someone like that and I don’t like phones.

Seems like he’s looking for a way out. I suggest you let him take it and find yourself someone more interesting.

Friendsoftheearth · 18/08/2020 08:48

You seem to be implying that OP should just sit there adoringly while her DH watches TV that she has zero interest in. That's pandering to the ego. She should be allowed to do what she wants whilst he does what he wants

No I am not implying that at all! I can't bear sports and could not sit through it even for five minutes!!! I certainly am not saying she should sit through boring mindless programmes, I need to be clear on that. If they are sharing time together watching TV then they choose together what they watch, something they both enjoy. This is not about op just quietly sitting there whilst he watches the bloody football!!!!!!!!!

Absolutely not.

AllTheFields · 18/08/2020 08:52

I'd tell him to get fucked, what a controlling prick.

Friendsoftheearth · 18/08/2020 08:53

I don't believe anyone to be 'boring' people are always interesting if you look deep enough, but it may not be a good fit if you have great passion for learning languages, new adventures and learning op and his idea of a great night is watching the rugby that indicates you are not a good match in the beginning. He would prefer a rugby loving home body, and you would prefer someone more adventurous and outward looking.

I am not saying you call time on your marriage because you are different, but it might be helpful to look at what you do have in common and do more of whatever that is. Easier said than done in a pandemic.

TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 18/08/2020 08:53

He clearly doesn't want you to have any interests other than him op. It's not a healthy way to have a relationship and he's actually controlling.

I think it's this. DP sometimes has flashes of this, but has the self-awareness (when it's pointed out to him) that me and the kids don't just stand in a cupboard all day waiting for him to come home, that we also have lives and thoughts and needs, and we don't live to support him. He also watches endless youtube on the TV which I have very little interest in (some knowledge seeps in anyway of course, so I can hold a conversation on the subject), just as he has very little interest in some of my hobbies. WHICH IS FINE.

There are plenty of evenings when we both sit in the living room, he watches youtube, and I fiddle on my pad/phone. Other evenings we watch stuff together, other evenings he goes to the gym, or I do stuff in my office and we don't see each other until bedtime.

Out shopping, using your phone is only annoying if you don't put it down when the other returns imo. He has no right to dictate what you do with your time when he's not even there.

In any case, only you know if you think he's being unreasonable, if he's asking for things he's not willing to do in return.

ALLIS0N · 18/08/2020 08:54

When I go clothes shopping, I see lots of men outside the women’s changing rooms on their phones. Maybe I should tell them off and advise them to stand patiently with an adoring look on their faces, practising their smile for when their boss comes out in a lovely new dress to seek their opinion.

JammyHands · 18/08/2020 08:59

He sounds controlling and dull and know that he’s dull. I suspect he feels threatened by the fact that you have a lot going on, and a lot of initiative, and he hasn’t. That makes this problem his problem.

slappaplek · 18/08/2020 08:59

My god some of these responses are ridiculous!

Husband - wants to spend more time with wife
Mumsnet - RED FLAG, RED FLAG, WHAT A TWAT, LEAVE HIM IMMEDIATELY

Over two hours spent on a phone is a lot if it is all during her free hours after work.

OP said she needed more engagement from him fair enough, but this goes both ways, it seems obvious to me that she would rather be on her phone than engage with him given the time she spends on it.

I don't get the comments here about the jigsaw tbh, his point is he wants to spend more time with her, not just swap being on the phone for something else.

jay55 · 18/08/2020 08:59

Why do you want to stay with him, if you find him so boring?
Sounds like you want to prove to yourself you can make the relationship work, not that you actually want to be with him.

pointythings · 18/08/2020 09:00

ALLIS0N I'm going to tell my teens to do just that when I'm out shopping with them. Adoring gazes to be directed at the changing cubicle at all times, or no lunch.

FFS.

Snog · 18/08/2020 09:03

What does your DH want you to do instead of using your phone?

ErickBroch · 18/08/2020 09:03

You are not on it too much. I would avoid using it in the car as that does irritate me though.

Friendsoftheearth · 18/08/2020 09:04

The changing room analogy is a red herring, because is so annoying if all you ever see permanently is the back of someone's head as they spend every spare second on their phone.

Most people are looking for a bit more in life than looking at a mute person stuck on their phone regardless of what they are learning/doing.

fmlfmlfmlfm · 18/08/2020 09:06

Are you sure he just doesn't think you're texting someone else?

I'm a fully fledged phone addict.

My kids have the tv for you tube etc so I use my phone to socialise, play games, watch Netflix, do my banking, do my uni work, catch up on the news, research, book tickets etc.

My usage is probably about 4 hours a day 🤣 but when I'm with my boyfriend I don't generally use it unless he's on he's PS4 sometimes I might read a book or something else instead... could you do that?

ivykaty44 · 18/08/2020 09:06

Put the phone in a box in your bedroom for 24 hours. See how it goes.

Put the TV in there to

I think its reasonable if someone is doing something else to then decide to knit, use your phone, do a jigsaw etc

If you're out for a meal then it would be rude

I suggest to him that you take up some form of sports together, tennis, cycling together, walking, swimming anything outside of the house away from solo occupations and see what his response is

Friendsoftheearth · 18/08/2020 09:08

Do we think op is off learning another language/playing candy crush? As she hasn't been back on the thread Grin

LannieDuck · 18/08/2020 09:08

So, evening entertainments:

  • Phone - not good
  • Jigsaw - not good
  • TV - fine

I'm guessing that's because he's the one watching TV.

I would agree to stop using my phone in the evenings for a week as a trial, if it extended to all screens - i.e. TV off too. That way you'll both have to work out alternative entertainments for the evenings. And it won't just be you doing what he wants and getting bored.

myrtleWilson · 18/08/2020 09:08

So @Friendsoftheearth the OP needs to stand expectantly, super interested outside a changing room waiting for Mr Awesome to come out and show her his new black jumper as this is a "shared experience" When he chooses to belittle her intellect and income - does that go down as a shared experience too or is she entitled to say fuck off? Am just wondering because as far as I could see you neglected to address his jibes in your posts. Apologies if I've missed one

Sakurami · 18/08/2020 09:09

Your phone use doesn't sound excessive but if you're on it all the time then it does lead to both conversations or having to interrupt you in order to engage with you.

Maybe have a rule about leaving your phones aside at certain times in the week and you concentrate on each other and other times when you both either watch TV or do what you like on your phones? But if he expects you to just sit next to him whilst he watches something that doesn't interest you then that's not on.

CodenameVillanelle · 18/08/2020 09:13

He sounds like a wanker. Sorry. He's setting you up to fail. Whatever you do won't be right.

FirelighterGirl · 18/08/2020 09:13

My exH was like this with me.

I made some new friends and he didn't like me whatsapping them. Claimed he wanted me to watch tv with him. That seemed reasonable ish. As it can be annoying if someone is on their phone all eve.

Felt a bit controlling but I went with it.

Then I got into mindful colouring - he didn't like that either....

He is my ex. h.

Friendsoftheearth · 18/08/2020 09:13

myrtle That would be totally cool for her to wait for Mr Awesome to pop out in his new jumper assuming Mr Awesome was happy to wait for Mrs Awsome to do the same. If he isn't, that is not okay and not something I would be happy with.

unmarkedbythat · 18/08/2020 09:14

Honestly, if it has got to the point your DH is giving you this ultimatum, it doesn't matter how much you seek to justify your phone use, it is a problem and you need to take it seriously. My DH does not realise how genuinely upset I am about the amount of time he spends on his phone and doesn't take it seriously as a complaint. Put your phone down and focus on your marriage unless you would rather have the games than the husband.