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DH has given me an ultimatum

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tempusername22 · 18/08/2020 05:47

He has decreed that I am obsessed by my phone and said that if I don't address it, our marriage is over as he doesn't want to be married to someone who would rather use her phone than spend time with him. We live in a small apartment a long way from our families, DC have left home. We both work full time. Apart from work, we spend over 95% of our time together (I sometimes meet friends for coffee or book club, he very rarely goes out unless it's a work thing, and those aren't happening right now anyway).

I don't use Facebook, but do use Twitter (I'm a teacher and have made a lot of useful connections through there, including being part of a software development trial which will benefit my school and becoming a tutor for an online course, which has paid me over £1000). I've recently started learning two relevant and useful languages on Duolingo. In the past, I have deleted apps that I felt were too 'compulsive'. I tend to use the phone to read the news or play a short game when we are in the car, but never have it on the dinner table at home or out, but might use it in a cafe if DH is on his or I'm updating the shopping list etc. I'll take it out if I'm hanging around in a clothes shop while he tries something on or he has gone to the toilet in the shopping centre. He says 'Every time I emerge from somewhere, you are on it.' The car and the shops are probably the easiest times to stop using it as I feel like he needs to really see the difference right now.

I don't get a screen time report but I just looked it up and it says the average is 2h 40 mins - bear in mind that this is during school holidays so it would be less if I was at work. I drive to work so don't use it when commuting, but I listen to audiobooks and podcasts when exercising, shopping on my own and when driving on my own. I also have work emails on there plus work and work-related WhatsApp groups.

I've done three online smartphone addiction quizzes, 2 said yes you have a problem, the third said no. I answered yes to do you keep it by the bed, because I charge it there, but we both do. I also answered yes to do you message people more than talking face to face, and that's also yes due to covid and geography and time zones and being at home alone a lot right now.

I'm absolutely prepared to address this, as I don't want my marriage to end. However, I am sometimes using it purely for entertainment to stave off boredom. I'm not a party animal but we very rarely go out in the evenings, so we eat about 7.30 and then we're in our pjs for the night. The tv is always on and we have some shared tastes, some not so much (rugby and police programmes, especially). DH is really into music and I'd rather read, so if we're home on a weekend he will often watch music videos on tv and I will read or use my phone.

I told him that I would like us to have one tv-free night a week and that I don't want to tell him not to watch the things he wants to watch but that if I'm not interested in it I will do something else like read or use my phone. In the row he said at one point 'I don't know what you use it for' and at another that it was due to social media use, which it isn't, and I challenged that because he can't say he doesn't know and then tell me what the problem is. In lockdown my friend lent me a 1000 piece puzzle, which he helped a little with, but also complained that he had 'lost' me to that. I really enjoyed doing it but didn't do it 24/7.

At one point I was almost playing argument bingo - these things always come up:
I earn XXXXXX and that's why I have to have my work phone and be available 24/7
Your salary isn't enough to pay the rent here
Has this been an issue in previous relationships
Has anyone said this to you before
I'm not having another relationship where I'm treated like xxx
I don't need your income/intellect
You're treating me like I'm an idiot
I can manage perfectly well by myself (e.g. cooking etc)
I moved here so that we could spend more time together but not for this

This has been an issue several times over the last few years (we've lived here 2 years now). He accepts that I have gone some way to addressing it but says it's not enough, and that I am not the sort of person who should need to be asked more than once so clearly I don't care. It was a very one-sided row that lasted about 3 hours and involved dinner going in the bin. He's been really short with me the last few days so I guess this was brewing. He left for work this morning and I had a terse 'I'm going' and that was it.

He insists he doesn't want me to feel like I can't use my phone and it doesn't need to be out of reach, but when at home I just need to manage how I use it better. Although I think he is over-reacting, and there are underlying issues from his previous relationship, I definitely do not want this to be the end of our marriage so I will sort it out. I need some sort of engagement from him so that I don't die of boredom on the sofa every night. He said if it's not your phone it's your tablet/laptop, but all of my reading takes place on a device e.g. Kindle or tablet. I feel like he doesn't 'do' anything - apart from the gym, which we used to do together but this is tricky now that every other treadmill is out of use so we stagger our visits at the moment - so once at home if he's not doing domestic stuff or work stuff, there's only the tv. He doesn't read, plays the guitar but very infrequently, and has no hobbies.

Don't say LTB, it's not happening and I wouldn't over this - although he has said I can move out and then I can use my phone as much as I want. He's angry but also said he's very unhappy, and I don't want to be the cause of that.

Sorry it's so long!

OP posts:
ReallySpicyCurry · 18/08/2020 07:44

Even if you are on your phone too much, he's hardly in a position to argue when all he does is stare at the telly

madcatladyforever · 18/08/2020 07:44

I'd feel the same about a gamer tbh. I couldnt stand a man who played games all day however he is coming across as a bit of a pain about it. I'm currently limiting my internet time per day as it's taking over my life a bit and is very unhealthy.

timeisnotaline · 18/08/2020 07:45

He sounds soooo BORING. Too boring to have ‘quality time’ with and frankly too selfish. Your phone time is not excessive.

Try and not use your phone when he is around for a few days as an experiment and I bet he'll find another thing that you're doing wrong and there will be a fresh ultimatum about that.

Friendsoftheearth · 18/08/2020 07:46

Most/many couples already have agreements in place re screen use and time, evenings etc is there any reason why you haven't come to an agreement before op?

Especially as it has come up so often before now.

6pm is our cut off, most others I know have something similar give or take an hour. Otherwise there is no downtime together. Someone is always checked out on their phone.

FredaFrogspawn · 18/08/2020 07:47

It does sound a bit uneven. Ask him what he’s going to change if you agree to spend less time on the phone. Ask him what he thinks you should be doing less of on the phone - your languages? Your tutoring? Reading? What’s he going to do to entertain you in its place?

Then put the phone away and talk to him. Hour after hour. Ask him his opinion on anything and everything. Don’t really listen to his answers - just tel him yours. Demand he dances with you. Tell him you want the seven veils dance from him and it’d better be worth losing duolingo for. Talk all through his tv programmes. Demand his attention at 2am. Tel him he is too focused on his sleep and not on you. Tel him you need him to do yoga with you, play castinets, make your own sushi, play pin the tail on the donkey. He needs to get away from the tv and practice medicine ball eurythmics with you. Go on a big hunt and identify 8 arachnids. Penis puppetry show - you want one of those. Can he do all the moves in the Karma Surra? Stuff a bolster to be his partner and sit back for the show. Sixty animal impersonations in sixty seconds please.

He’ll be begging you to pick up your phone and get back to your duolingo.

Or just tell him to fuck off telling you what to do.

Friendsoftheearth · 18/08/2020 07:49

ry and not use your phone when he is around for a few days as an experiment and I bet he'll find another thing that you're doing wrong and there will be a fresh ultimatum about that

I think that is a good idea, and if he is still nitpicking about something else then you have your answer.

pussycatinboots · 18/08/2020 07:49

I don't need your income/intellect

The 1950s called, they want your D(ick) H(ead) back 🤬

What sort of man says that to his wife? What does he actually want, a shop mannequin?

Shesapunkpunk · 18/08/2020 07:49

@Friendsoftheearth

Most/many couples already have agreements in place re screen use and time, evenings etc is there any reason why you haven't come to an agreement before op?

Especially as it has come up so often before now.

6pm is our cut off, most others I know have something similar give or take an hour. Otherwise there is no downtime together. Someone is always checked out on their phone.

I don’t really agree with this. I am an adult, in a relationship with anther adult. We don’t have agreements (let’s face it, they are rules) about phone use. We make our own minds up.
JemimaTiggywinkle · 18/08/2020 07:50

He says 'Every time I emerge from somewhere, you are on it

So he doesn’t even want you to use your phone when he’s not there? You should just be waiting around like a faithful puppy?

It does sound like you are constantly together.. I think you both need some separate activities so that when you’re together you have something to talk about.

Friendsoftheearth · 18/08/2020 07:50

Penis puppetry Grin

Friendsoftheearth · 18/08/2020 07:56

Shesapunkpunk It is because we are adults we have certain agreements in place, not rules! Rules are made by someone for others, agreements are when issues come up and we decide a way forward together - equally.
We have the same agreements in place for raising children, agreed values on discipline, money, everything! I am free to change the agreements if I want, and so is he, but in order for life to run smoothly and for a level of contentment to be possible we all listen, talk and agree on stuff.

No one runs their life completely independently as part of a family unit or marriage, it is impossible to do. So we sit and talk about any differences, if they come up and we work out a solution. Thats how it tends to work. Otherwise there would be endless arguments an conflict no?

cheeseychovolate · 18/08/2020 07:57

Perhaps he needs to find a hobby, if he had something to do in the evening then he won't be obsessed by how much you use your phone, which doesn't sound too much anyway. Maybe buy him a kindle if he can't think of a hobby.

premiumshoes · 18/08/2020 07:59

Most/many couples already have agreements in place re screen use and time, evenings etc is there any reason why you haven't come to an agreement before op?

Because OP is an adult maybe?

babbi · 18/08/2020 08:00

Hi OP .. read @IdrisElbow post again , again and yet again .
This man is unpleasant, do not waste your precious life on someone like this .
You sound lovely and full of energy , not just physically but mentally, learning new languages etc
He will drain you ...
I know you have said you won’t leave , but please take time to think ...
why on earth would you change your behaviour and interests because a partner told you too .
Incidentally, a man glued to TV ( for me ) is beyond boring ... I learn languages etc too as a hobby ... that would (and has in the past ) drive me to a sad place , bored and not stimulated....

Please think about your post ... it’s asking for advice on how to pander to your DH .....

I don’t like people on their phone constantly and sometimes it’s rude but not in the context that you are using it

Friendsoftheearth · 18/08/2020 08:00

And adults tend to understand the art of solving problems when they come up premium

ErinBrockovich · 18/08/2020 08:04

I read the whole post and I also agree that the jigsaw incident stood out to me too. He sounds quite immature and the phone use is a red herring, he isn’t happy. It’s the phone use now but I’m sure if you did stop using the phone in the evening he would start to find fault with something else - you are in the gym too much, meeting friends too much, spending too long at work etc.
I don’t understand why he is criticising everything you are doing to have a fulfilling life. It’s like he wants you to do nothing except sit and watch tv with him every night. The more you accomplish and succeed the more he tears you back down.
Sorry OP, I know you say you don’t want to hear LTB and you’re not there yet but I can’t see anything you can do to improve this.

premiumshoes · 18/08/2020 08:04

And adults tend to understand the art of solving problems when they come up premium

Oh I don't disagree. I just don't consider using your own mobile phone in your own house to be a problem that should be controlled by another. In fact it's quite bizarre. I'm sat here in my phone now. I have D.C. to organise for school and DH is scrolling through Facebook across the room. I'm trying to imagine either of us saying that we should not be doing so. Give it 5 mins and we will no doubt spring into action.

The idea that OP should not use her phone of an evening in order to dedicate her entire self to her DH is bizarre.

pointythings · 18/08/2020 08:07

The jigsaw is what swung it for me - he doesn't want you to do that either. He doesn't want you to do anything but gaze adoringly at him no matter what he's doing, and wait adoringly for him when he's trying on trousers. That isn't OK.

I'd be finding a whole lot of things to do that aren't phone related - go for a run while he's watching tv, see if he's ok with that. Bet he won't be.

Friendsoftheearth · 18/08/2020 08:08

Why not turn this around.

Op sits on her own night after night whilst dh is constantly on his phone and he ignores her. She feels sad her marriage has come to this, she wants to talk to him, to feel loved by him, watch a film together but he is always trying to find a way to be on his phone.

She wonders if there is someone else, he feels so distant and removed. So over the years she tries and tries without success to ask him to make time for her, he ignores her requests and continues on his phone anyway, showing her a complete lack of respect. Her wishes and needs are not met, but ignored. Surely there has to be a life for her somewhere that is better than this....

Do we just expect her to carry on? Swallow the neglect she is feeling? The loneliness?

Or would we empower her? And say leave and find something better, you deserve better. Life is too short to waste it on someone that cares so little for you that they can't even put their phone down? Would we tell her to wear nipple tassels and tempt him away? Candlelit dinners and fine restaurants? Or would we say here is a man that cares more for his stupid phone than you, pick up your self esteem and dignity and get rid.....

Shesapunkpunk · 18/08/2020 08:08

@Friendsoftheearth

Shesapunkpunk It is because we are adults we have certain agreements in place, not rules! Rules are made by someone for others, agreements are when issues come up and we decide a way forward together - equally. We have the same agreements in place for raising children, agreed values on discipline, money, everything! I am free to change the agreements if I want, and so is he, but in order for life to run smoothly and for a level of contentment to be possible we all listen, talk and agree on stuff.

No one runs their life completely independently as part of a family unit or marriage, it is impossible to do. So we sit and talk about any differences, if they come up and we work out a solution. Thats how it tends to work. Otherwise there would be endless arguments an conflict no?

Gosh, yes, thank you so much for explaining the difference between rules and agreements. I still kinda think that if it is something that an adult can decide for themselves, like, uh, using their own phone, then it veers very uncomfortably into rule territory. Maybe most of us adults are just lucky we don’t have these controlling freaks forcing agreements on us though.
premiumshoes · 18/08/2020 08:10

Why not turn this around.

Turn it around properly then. You seem to have missed all the dickish bits of him out.

Friendsoftheearth · 18/08/2020 08:16

I think he has become aggravated and unhappy, and his failure to get the things that upset him resolved over the years is now tipping over into other areas, a general unhappiness and malaise has set in. Now the marriage is stuck firmly in a rut, and unless they both agree to change many things, not just the phone - it is probably doomed to fail. Because it sounds boring, unfulfilling and empty for both of them, not just op.

The elephant in the room is the boredom between them, not the phone.

Twattergy · 18/08/2020 08:17

You need to talk about the 'I don't need your intellect/income' more than the phone...

There's a lot of resentment there. Phone is just one manifestation of that.

Work on that (joint therapy?) and the phone would cease to be an issue.

Friendsoftheearth · 18/08/2020 08:19

If he was sparkling company she would need her phone.
If she was sparkling company he would need the mindless TV.

Both are checked out in different ways, neither are happy.

Friendsoftheearth · 18/08/2020 08:19

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