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Last week I told DH I want a divorce

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 16/08/2020 19:25

Things have been very rocky for 8 months, going steadily downhill for 2 years. Not going to bore you with the details. We have 2 children.

He says no. A flat no, it’s not happening. He can’t do it. He’s been divorced before. He admits his behaviour over the last year hasn’t been good enough and he hasn’t been present or involved.

I’ve told him I love him but I’m no longer in love with him. He asked what love is anyway.

I can’t live in a sexless, affection less marriage for another 40 years. There have been ultimatums and serious discussions about separating before but he’s finally starting to pay it some attention.

He’s a good man and a good father. But he’s not listening. I think he thinks that if he keeps telling me it will all be ok that he’ll get his own way. I’ve agreed to counselling but we’ll be going into it with two very separate aims - his to make it work, mine to have an amicable divorce.

I’m absolutely sure of my decision. We’re good friends who have children. The spark is gone and we have very different views on what we want from life.

I don’t want it to get to the stage where we are arguing every day and lose all respect for each other. He thinks I’m being idealistic and we can sort it all out. But we can’t. I no longer desire him or want him as a partner. We’re basically room mates.

I know he was shocked, I know it takes time. But he can’t say no forever can he?

We both work, there’s no affair or anything.

How do I keep pushing this? Like so many things over the course of our marriage, I’m the one having to be the grown up and make the decision.

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RandomMess · 21/08/2020 16:00

He knows he's been financially abusive for years and only know as his last ditch is he suddenly prepared to pay towards the household costs that have put you on debt.

Start letting yourself feel anger towards the way he has treated you!

StuckInPollyannaMode · 22/08/2020 07:15

We’ve just had a massive row.

He says he’s not leaving the house or the children. I said fine, buy me out. But I’m not leaving without the children.

Impasse.

I told him he needs to start to accept our relationship is over and he says it isn’t, he still loves me and we can make it work.

The solicitor has cancelled my meeting on Friday as she needs to be in court. There’s someone else I can see but she’s the one recommended, so that’s another delay.

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RandomMess · 22/08/2020 08:10

There is zero point in discussing it with him.

Love is actions not words and he hasn't been loving for years, and things haven't been good for even more years before that.

None of this is up to him, you can apply for divorce you can include his unreasonable behaviours:
Refusing full shared access to marital funds (aka financial abuse)
Refusal to help care for the DC during lockdown impairing your ability to do your job
Long term withdrawal of affection and sex for 12 months

The solicitor can word them better.

Again it's not up to him that he gets to stay in the house, the judge can do that. Don't move out!

You are primary carer and have stepped back career wise in order to do so. equity in the house and pensions need to be considered when deciding who gets what.

If you can't get a mortgage you can apply for a mesher order to stay in the house for a number of years. Are the DC the same sex?

How much equity is in the house and pensions, how much is your house worth, how much can you buy for 2 or 3 bed in your area to downsize? Does he have a stake in his former marital property?

How every difficult it is stay. Ensure you remain the primary carer and ensure you get your debt paid off.

It sounds like you don't even know how much there is in savings either joint or his account???

StuckInPollyannaMode · 22/08/2020 10:17

Thank you @RandomMess - you’re keeping me on track

I’m not moving out. And as soon as he gets back to his Big Important Job (on leave this week and next) then he will end up not doing the kids - he won’t carry through on that threat, his career is too important to him.

I’ve been reading through a thread of mine from earlier this year and can’t believe what a fool I’ve been and how many chances I’ve given him.

I think there’s about 250k equity in the house. No, he has no stake in his former marital home. I’ll need to get advice on pensions as I suspect that’s where quite a lot of his money has been going.

He’s not clever enough to have had a sneaky second account. I know where the paperwork is and I can take photos / scan copies next Friday whilst he’s out for the day with the kids. Yes, both girls, so can share a bedroom.

Houses in our village don’t come on the market very often. Usually upwards of £300k. Move a town over and you can get a decent 3 bed for £350k which is in catchment for a good secondary. I have to let go of my sentiment for old houses I feel.

Him stonewalling me is symptomatic of most issues in our marriage. He’s in complete denial. He’s wanting to make me the bad guy.

I’m going to have to make a decision on moving up to the attic vs turfing one of the kids out - it’s not as easy as just putting them back together, our eldest has issues and it’s complicated.

I’m starting to get cross with him. None of this HAS to be awful, but if he carries on like this he will make it so.

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 22/08/2020 10:17

@ThickFast I don’t think so but it would be lovely if that was the case!

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RandomMess · 22/08/2020 11:19

When he next brings anything up you need to firmly tell him that he is the one that has stonewalled for years and he is the one making it unpleasant.

You could put the single beds in the master bedroom and carry on sharing...

justilou1 · 22/08/2020 14:01

Put a single bed in the lounge room and tell him that’s where he can sleep.

ThickFast · 22/08/2020 18:43

It all sounds really tricky. Hopefully not too long until next solicitors appt.

StuckInPollyannaMode · 23/08/2020 18:03

Ahahahaha you’re going to love this one.

Apparently it’s our destiny to stay together and it’s the best thing for the kids so it WILL be happening.

He’s just announced he’s going to do 70-75% of all school runs and activities’as his diary allows, so that I can concentrate on my career.

I said no, aiming for 50/50 is fine.

He said that none of it needs to be like this, unless I carry out the plans that I have made.

If the kids hadn’t been there I’d have told him to fuck off.

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RandomMess · 23/08/2020 18:12

He's a bully isn't he?

Start handing over the invisible mental load for the DC do not let him suddenly be 50:50 - that is all about him not wanting you to get the house and having to pay maintenance.

TBH you need to divorce fast whilst you are the primary parent. He is not going to make it pleasant or "fair"

dexterslockedintheshedagain · 23/08/2020 20:56

It just blows my mind that anyone could tell someone that they WILL stay married to them? I mean, surely he must see that BOTH of you have to want it, not just him?!!
Think you've got your work cut out OP!
You seem to be dealing with it ok tho - I've got my fingers crossed for you Thanks

ThickFast · 24/08/2020 07:20

What??? He’s crazy!

justilou1 · 24/08/2020 07:26

What... A..... KNOB!!!

StuckInPollyannaMode · 24/08/2020 10:00

Well the kids have announced they want to go back into the same bedroom, so that at least solves one issue for me - I can move into the spare room.

He's drooping around and getting up in the night, all huffy and puffy. I have given him a list of things that need to be sorted this week (school clothes labelled, shoes to go to the cobblers etc) so that I don't have to do it all. He's run through all his plans with the kids this week in MINUTE detail, then said to me that it would be easier if I went and worked from a friend's house so that I can focus. Erm, no, keep the kids away from the room I'm working in, like I've done for you for the past 5 months!

He keeps telling me he's so SAD and sick to his stomach. Then goes and eats a massive breakfast.

Consultation with the solicitor has moved to Wednesday afternoon. He's out this morning so I'm cracking on with getting things ready for that meeting - after this consult it's £250 an hour so need to make sure I maximise my time with her. Any suggestions of what I need to cover very welcome!

I'm still feeling strong and resolute. His actions - and the dying swan act - are starting to really piss me off now - I feel like he's trying to blackmail me into staying, and that's not going to happen. It's just so fucked up that he thinks he can tell me something so often that I'll just accept it.

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justilou1 · 24/08/2020 10:57

Just stick to facts about the abuse, take ALL relevant financial paperwork and hand over to them. Let them know he is refusing to divorce you, and is bullying and manipulative, and lockdown is making your life a living hell as you have to handle children AND him with nowhere to go. All emotional stuff from your side about how it makes you feel, etc is going to cost you.

MyCatHatesEverybody · 24/08/2020 11:12

Sound advice from justilou1 regarding the solicitor. And excellent advice throughout from RandomMess.

My ExH also refused to accept I wanted to separate from him, he was waiting for me to "snap out of it" and realise how lucky I was to have him. Finally I realised if I waited for his "permission" I'd be waiting forever so I cracked on with divorcing him for unreasonable behaviour. If you want this you need to make things happen without him.

ThickFast · 24/08/2020 22:33

He's drooping around and getting up in the night, all huffy and puffy. That sounds super irritating.

Guiltypleasures001 · 24/08/2020 23:43

Beware of the you go work in a friends house, he might try and get that interpreted
As you leaving the home and kids.

ilikemethewayiam · 25/08/2020 01:21

@Guiltypleasures001

Beware of the you go work in a friends house, he might try and get that interpreted As you leaving the home and kids.
My thoughts too. Be careful!
StuckInPollyannaMode · 25/08/2020 08:43

Absolutely not happening, I'm not going anywhere, to work or otherwise!

He and the kids went to a friends for a sleepover last night. I've put a bed back in one of the bedrooms so as of tonight I can go sleep in the other room. I enjoyed my last night in our room, but it feels the right thing to do for me to move not him.

Yes, the drooping is super irritating. But he just didn't see this coming at all, so I've completely pulled the rug out from under his feet.

I'm not waiting for his permission, but you're right, I need to be the one to drive this. I also need to get certain things sorted, so I need to rejig my mental timeframe and come up with my boundaries and deadlines so I'm not turned into either a pushover or that he thinks I'm coming back. Sounds a bit convoluted but I know what I mean!

Super advice from everyone, all very much appreciated.

Let's see what the SHL says.

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dexterslockedintheshedagain · 25/08/2020 11:48

Sorry to sound thick, but what is a SHL?

RandomMess · 25/08/2020 11:52

Shit Hot Lawyer

LannieDuck · 25/08/2020 12:35

I need to learn this superpower of deciding things and then they become true!

Sexnotgender · 25/08/2020 12:47

God he sounds tedious. You need to make it very clear you’re not asking for his permission to start divorce proceedings.

tribpot · 25/08/2020 13:01

He’s just announced he’s going to do 70-75% of all school runs and activities’as his diary allows, so that I can concentrate on my career.
Not that I think you should get dragged into this kind of discussion with him, but how does that allow you to concentrate on your career if your career has to take second place to the demands of his diary? This is literally the situation you are already in.

he’s paid on the joint account for a load of kit for the kids this morning. Normally he’d have strung it out til I put it on my credit card and then nagged me about the fact I need to pay off my debts.
This is appalling. Make sure you have a timeline and a summary for the SHL although I think the primary thing you need is a clear idea of what outcome you want, do you want the house to be sold so the equity can be split free and clear?