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Last week I told DH I want a divorce

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 16/08/2020 19:25

Things have been very rocky for 8 months, going steadily downhill for 2 years. Not going to bore you with the details. We have 2 children.

He says no. A flat no, it’s not happening. He can’t do it. He’s been divorced before. He admits his behaviour over the last year hasn’t been good enough and he hasn’t been present or involved.

I’ve told him I love him but I’m no longer in love with him. He asked what love is anyway.

I can’t live in a sexless, affection less marriage for another 40 years. There have been ultimatums and serious discussions about separating before but he’s finally starting to pay it some attention.

He’s a good man and a good father. But he’s not listening. I think he thinks that if he keeps telling me it will all be ok that he’ll get his own way. I’ve agreed to counselling but we’ll be going into it with two very separate aims - his to make it work, mine to have an amicable divorce.

I’m absolutely sure of my decision. We’re good friends who have children. The spark is gone and we have very different views on what we want from life.

I don’t want it to get to the stage where we are arguing every day and lose all respect for each other. He thinks I’m being idealistic and we can sort it all out. But we can’t. I no longer desire him or want him as a partner. We’re basically room mates.

I know he was shocked, I know it takes time. But he can’t say no forever can he?

We both work, there’s no affair or anything.

How do I keep pushing this? Like so many things over the course of our marriage, I’m the one having to be the grown up and make the decision.

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RandomMess · 13/12/2020 21:57

He is the gift that just keeps giving....

Won't you have to pay the SHL to read his 7 pages of nonsense? Perhaps not bother asking her?

Daftapath · 13/12/2020 22:47

7 pages won't take the SHL long to read. She will have received plenty of 7+pages from twats like him.

May be worth asking SHL whether there is any point in the final mediation session. I assume you would have to pay for it if you go?

StuckInPollyannaMode · 14/12/2020 03:41

Given his opening paragraph I’m also thinking there’s no point in more mediation:

Below, I’m covering all aspects, and to that extent each hangs together. This is my final proposal – in other words, from my perspective I have not allowed for any further negotiation because I have considered all outgoings very thoroughly and I don’t consider there to be any further room for manoeuvre.

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REignbow · 14/12/2020 03:54

@StuckInPollyannaMode I would say that from that statement alone, in his ridiculous seven page document that I would just cancel the mediation and proceed with your SHL.

He’s so entitled, that he thinks that he is above the law re: CMS etc. Twat.

timeisnotaline · 14/12/2020 04:41

You can’t mediate that. I’d phrase it as ‘since you want to cancel the final mediation I’ve called her and told her you aren’t doing another session so we are done.’ Him:???
You: What do you mean? you were very clear - Even wrote it out for me, I think it was I will allow no further negotiation and there is absolutely no further room to maneuver’

justilou1 · 14/12/2020 05:26

I find it amusing that he thinks that HE is the one who gets to decide. He seems to have forgotten that when this goes to court (because it will, unfortunately) the judge is going to absolutely LOVE this shit he’s pulling!

Fooshufflewickjingleybells · 14/12/2020 06:26

What a complete wassock! Just what is he thinking??
'Oh I know what a judge will want , a 7 page document to make their job easier'

Do yourself a favour though and don't try and understand any thinking behind it, it melds your brain trying to find reasoning where there simply is none.

SHL it is!

RandomMess · 14/12/2020 07:52

Eh??

Is that seriously what he wrote? I know I'm "under the weather" but took me 3 attempts to understand it!!

You need to buy him a book on how to write in plain English!! I cannot believe anyone writes such meaningless waffle!

"This is my final offer, I'm not willing to negotiate further"

ShockConfused

notapizzaeater · 14/12/2020 08:08

He really is the gift that keeps on giving !

StuckInPollyannaMode · 14/12/2020 08:20

Other gems include:

My focus is entirely on ensuring my daughters have opportunities, so I will happily fund more, directly for them, where appropriate.

Ie I’m not going to pay maintenance...

This is how he speaks. To me, his team etc.

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RandomMess · 14/12/2020 08:21

At work I have colleague.

Dickhead Dave

He is obstructive, jobsworthy, time wasting, complete doesn't get the wider picture of job, writes ridiculously long and waffly, consuming emails where bullet points would be a million times better.

Wonder if they are related??? He even tried to tell his boss that to do xyz wasn't his teams job... ie to check something before submission when the Team he heads up is "compliance and checks" Shock he actually had a row with boss over it and swore at her!!!

Daftapath · 14/12/2020 08:31

The beauty of having a SHL is that you do not have to decide how and what to respond. My HL (not sure that he was cutthroat enough really) often just said, we won't respond to that. The relief of not having to decide for myself.

I love @timeisnotaline suggestion of 'since you want to cancel the final mediation ...'

My xtwat was an xbarrister, he loved pulling shit like this and sending letters/demands at the eleventh hour eg two days before court hearing. Legal fees were huge but saved me so much money in the end. I didn't have a thread because I knew he would stalk me and find it. Your xtwat sounds similar to mine. He will write things to try to obfuscate and bamboozle you but your shl/judge will just cut through it and he will just look what he is ... insert your own descriptive word.

Grittlelayrabbit · 14/12/2020 08:41

You need

  1. a new thread
  2. hand everything to SHL
  3. bin off mediation

Not in that order

C0NNIE · 14/12/2020 09:53

@StuckInPollyannaMode

Given his opening paragraph I’m also thinking there’s no point in more mediation:

Below, I’m covering all aspects, and to that extent each hangs together. This is my final proposal – in other words, from my perspective I have not allowed for any further negotiation because I have considered all outgoings very thoroughly and I don’t consider there to be any further room for manoeuvre.

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry at his arrogance and writing style.

I assume he means - my starting position is my needs and wants. Once these are met then there will be nothing left from my large salary for my children. I am prepared to give them random gifts as I see fit but only of my generosity is properly acknowledged.

He also sounds a bit thick TBH. If this is his third divorce you’d think he’d have the hang of it by now.

LilyLongJohn · 14/12/2020 10:11

I do think it's funny that he thinks he gets to decide how this goes. He seems to forget there are laws around paying maintenance and that a judge is the one that gets to decide.

justilou1 · 14/12/2020 10:52

When I get my working magic fairy wand for Christmas, he’s getting instantaneous scrotal rot. Horrid, horrid man.

RandomMess · 14/12/2020 11:00

He should be the one having an MRI to check he has a brain instead of me 😂

justilou1 · 14/12/2020 12:10

Might need to check for a spine and some balls too.

DartmoorDoughnut · 14/12/2020 12:38

I think this is the perfect time to start using “bless your heart” as per the southern belles version of “off you fuck you crazy fucking twat”

StuckInPollyannaMode · 14/12/2020 12:53

Hope the MRI goes ok and you can go home later @RandomMess

Suggestions for a new thread title gratefully received!

I have forwarded everything to SHL. Whoever said they felt better for having someone make the decisions, you're absolutely right. Feel much lighter. I have asked her advice about whether to attend mediation (I expect she will say no). She is on leave today, I have to admit I'm quite looking forward to her response.

Have I told you he doesn't understand clingfilm? I had to buy a special clingfilm dispenser from Lakeland to overcome his inability to use a roll.

Just found out my brother and sister-in-law have exchanged Christmas gifts with MIL. Traitors. Even though this is someone who was extremely rude about them a few years ago which caused massive issues.

Let it go, let it go...

Off to test drive a car this afternoon. Played a bit of a blinder there if I do say so myself. Buying it from a friend's husband, it's a banger, he'll look like a right pillock walking off with my SUV whilst I'm in a 2k car. (fear not, getting it checked by a mechanic)

Playing the long game...

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LilyLongJohn · 14/12/2020 13:20

I hope you take your clingfilm holder with you when you move house Grin

justilou1 · 14/12/2020 14:44

Firstly, he really doesn’t need your help looking like a pillock. He’s managing that quite well by himself! Secondly, I’m more than certain the stupid twat won’t know how to buy plastic wrap, let alone use it. Maybe the B&SIL bought MIL some cyanide-laced chocolates or arsenic tea.....

aeiouaeiouaeiou · 14/12/2020 18:53

New thread title "I can't get the film to cling SmileSmile".

Saw this today and thought of you.

Last week I told DH I want a divorce
aeiouaeiouaeiou · 14/12/2020 18:58

Re letter from children to Santa about divorce.

Write a letter back saying that mummy and daddy love them both they will be ok because Santa will come to both houses next year etc etc

New thread title

Geller gets gone!!?

RandomMess · 14/12/2020 19:12

I have confession my DH has cling film issues 😂