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A low point in marriage

190 replies

PeachyVee · 06/08/2020 01:37

Hi, I really need to offload and would appreciate some advice 😏. I've been with my husband for 15 years (married for 13), we have 3 wonderful kids aged 13, 11 and 10.
All in all, we've had a generally happy marriage and family life, as a couple we get on really well (on the surface), and I believe this has rubbed off on the children as they are all kind, respectful and polite young people, to which we are really proud of.
Underneath our happy demeanour I feel that there are lots of problems (in my opinion anyway), I feel that I am growing further and further apart from him, I am not the same person that I was when I met him at 21, I am growing and evolving as a person, and I honestly feel so trapped. He is a whole decade older than me, and I really feel like it's starting to show now.
He is not a bad person, he works hard, is motivated and is a brilliant father but I just don't think he "gets" who I am anymore.
I struggle with my mental health quite badly, and to put it bluntly, he is completely useless about it all. I try opening up to him and try to be as transparent as I can, I often struggle with suicidal thoughts, and although it's really hard for me to be open about it (for feeling ashamed) I do try and tell him, but it's always met by silence, a shrug of the shoulders or a quick hug and him telling me not to be "so silly". I get that not everyone knows what to do in these circumstances or what to say, but considering he is a healthcare professional by trade, it always baffles me why he just doesn't seem to care. Last week, I had it out with him and asked him why my mental health doesn't seem to worry/bother him to which he replied that he simply lacks empathy and doesn't know how to react.
He's also very controlling about certain things, especially finances, and every decision regarding our family life is made by him, my ideas or opinions are completely irrelevant. I go to work and I pay my way, but still we are not equal in our financial decision-making. We're still renting after 15 years and I would love to buy a house, but he says no, and that's final!.
The biggest issue in our marriage (sorry it's TMI) is to do with our sex life, he is completely obsessed with anal sex even though I hate it, he expects it to happen every time that we have sex, sex can never just be "normal" it always has to be about getting anal at the end of it. I've told him a million times that I hate it and that it hurts, but he doesn't care, and even when I allow him to do it and I'm crying in pain, he doesn't see that it's a problem. This has been going on for years now but it's getting worse, he tries to use bribery in order to "get it" , especially financial bribery, and he will call me selfish for not agreeing to it. It's starting to really affect me mentally now, and I feel like a part of me dies each time I allow him to do "it", I feel degraded, abused even. I can't remember the last time that I had sex sober, and now it's got to the point where I absolutely have NO sex drive, the last few times we've had sex (normal sex) I feel NOTHING, it just makes me cringe and feel disgusted. I think his behaviour and attitude to sex has just destroyed what ever intimacy we had left. I have found myself fantasising about meeting other men and having sex, just so I can feel like a normal woman again, I'm still horny but not for my husband anymore.
I really can't see things getting any better, it's getting harder and harder to envisage a long-term future with him. I've reached a point where I see that so many things are wrong, I feel restricted, suffocated and repressed and I long for a freedom where I can get to know myself properly again.
It's so hard because like I said, he's not a bad person and I HATE the thought of our children having to endure a family breakup, as bad as I feel things are, I feel it's just NOT enough to put them through that. In my head I've told myself that I won't do anything until my youngest is at least 16 (that's 6 years away), and maybe, just maybe things may have improved by then 🤷🏼‍♀️.
I still care about him as a person (and love him as the father of my kids), even up until a few years ago I still got butterflies when I saw him and still felt so in love with him, but sadly that's all gone... I don't want to hurt him, unlike me, he hasn't got close friends or a family close by and it genuinely hurts me to think of him potentially alone, I wish I could just get a little tougher.
I'm thinking of his feelings and the children's before mine, and it's me that deep-down is suffering and feeling so incredibly isolated. It's hard to open up to people because on the surface we look like this happy couple who are the best of friends.

Please, some words of advice or just your thoughts would be really welcomed. I just need to know that I'm not going mad 😢.

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VanGoghsDog · 06/08/2020 01:42

like I said, he's not a bad person

He is a bad person, he's a rapist.

And a controlling bully. But foremost, a rapist.

You need to get some support. Can you speak to Women's Aid from work, or when he's not around?

Flowers
imamearcat · 06/08/2020 01:50

I don't really have any advice but wanted to give you a virtual hug. You should'nt have to put up with this shit.

giantangryrooster · 06/08/2020 01:52

He is sexually and financially abusing you. No wonder you're mentally frail.

You need to look into abuse, it takes so many forms. Think there is good reason why he chose to marry someone 10 years younger, it gave him control, now you are older and questioning him/his decisions, even have an opinion yourself, it is not something he wants.

Hope some of the very experienced posters come to advise you further.

Sympathies.

Mummaofmytribe · 06/08/2020 02:01

I would call that rape. He IS a bad person. No loving partner would force you into anal sex while you cry!! It's criminal and utterly horrible. You are right to term it abusive. All your instincts about this are correct.
I'm so sorry you're going through this. It must be awful. Please know you don't have to put up with this. I've been through similar, also with a much older man (no coincidence I don't think).
Please seek support. Im not in the UK is rape crisis still in operation? A quick google will get you the name and phone no fir support and guidance. Women's Aid is also frequently recommended.
I wish you the best of luck.
The "good bits" of your homelife do not outweigh the negatives of being abused, love. This is wrong.

Tavannach · 06/08/2020 02:05

I'm sorry you're going through this. Rape Crisis should be able to offer you some advice and support.

He might be a good father but he's a dreadful husband. The question is what kind of mother can you be if he continues to damage your mental health while physically abusing you.
I hope you get the support you need.

FifteenToes · 06/08/2020 02:20

You're in a marriage where you're repeatedly arse-raped until you're crying in pain, might that just possibly have something to do with your mental health problems?

Jesus. Can't imagine many marital situations more awful than this. Please get out of this immediately. The degree to which your husband "lacks empathy" is not within normal range.

rvby · 06/08/2020 02:21

He's raping you my darling Sad

No wonder you struggle with your mh. I'm so sorry that this is happening to you

GlorianaCervixia · 06/08/2020 02:24

He's not a good person. He's an abuser. It doesn't sound like he sees you as a real person, just an extension of his own needs and wants. That's why he can't empathise with you, controls you financially and calls you names if you don't give him what he wants. There is something very wrong with him.

Please start thinking about how you might get away from him and what it would be like to be free from him controlling you. It doesn't matter that other people think you have the perfect marriage, you're the one that has to live it and you know that it's toxic.

Onthemaintrunkline · 06/08/2020 02:31

Get out, get out, get out. Go and don’t look back. This mans a monster.

OptimisticSix · 06/08/2020 02:32

You have to leave this man. As others have aaid he is raping you. He is a monster.

Zofloramummy · 06/08/2020 02:46

I’m sure that you are sitting in horror reading the responses on here having been brave enough to post in the first place.

I doubt you’ve ever thought of your husband as a rapist but the PP’s are correct. Coercing you into an act that you do not want to do, causing you pain (and possible injury), using emotional and financial bribes. Well that isn’t consent.

I think that we are very good at putting other people first but all of that stress and emotional turmoil manifests itself in other ways. Your difficulties with mental health are quite probably linked to your emotional pain and the stress of living like this. It is highly likely that with support and counselling you could be far stronger and healthier away from this marriage.

You get one life, resigning yourself to another six years of this is unthinkable. Who cares what other people think! They aren’t being raped, financially controlled and having their emotional needs swept under the carpet. Please, please seek some support from rape crisis, women’s aid or counselling through your GP. You are not the problem here. FlowersFlowers

Flamingnora123 · 06/08/2020 03:11

Your husband always tries to coerce you into a type of sex that you hate and makes you cry with pain? Any decent partner would be horrified if they'd hurt you inadvertently, nevermind forcing you into it.
How would you feel if someone was doing this to your daughter, or if you found out your son was doing it to a girlfriend?
He also doesn't give a shit that you have suicidal thoughts. He's really, really not a good man.

londonscalling · 06/08/2020 03:36

He sounds disgusting. Get out now x

AbsentmindedWoman · 06/08/2020 04:45

He is a piece of shit. It is no wonder your mental health is in tatters.

The reason he is dismissing your MH issues and not supporting you is because a part of him knows that he is the fucking problem. Because he is raping you on a regular basis. It is not in his best interests to support you to come to the realisation that he is not, in fact, a good person. He is quite the opposite.

This is incredibly disturbing.

Please, please leave. This is a horrific environment for your kids to be in. Of course they won't know the details of the rapes but they sure as hell will pick up on the fact that he controls you, and objectifies you by dismissing all your thoughts and feelings and opinions. He dehumanizes you. They are learning nothing good or healthy from this dynamic.

I am so, so sorry to read about your pain and I hope that you can get some real life support.

rottiemum88 · 06/08/2020 05:37

Oh OP, this is so sad to read. You don't seem to recognise that your husband is abusing you. That's not normal and it's not something that's going to get better. I realise it's hard to face the prospect of breaking up your family, but believe me there's no benefit to putting it off "just until" the next big milestone in your children's lives. Life is for living and you deserve to be happy and away from this man who's slowly eroding your sense of self. Do you want to look back in 10 years time when your children have all flown the nest and realise that you've wasted those years of your own life? Children are remarkably adaptable and you can keep the separation as amicable as possible on the surface for their sakes, but for the sake of your own life and happiness you absolutely need to do it, sooner rather than later.

bakedoff · 06/08/2020 05:49

I’m thinking that your mental health may improve dramatically if you are away from him. The kids will survive. You can’t put up with this constant sexual coercion for another 6 years! You’re renting anyway so that makes it easier. Can you find somewhere else to rent that you can afford on your own?

Twilightsparkle84 · 06/08/2020 05:58

Have you got savings or access to savings? You feel trapped and it seems like he has manipulated the situation to trap you. I find it odd that he hasn't wanted to buy a property despite being a medical professional in all this time - you could have paid half the mortgage off by now - so this is most likely another tactic to control you. I think he may turn even more abusive or try to keep the children (to hurt you, not because he wants them) if you suggest a split so I would get all your ducks in a row first and try to move with the children without him knowing.

TerenceToo · 06/08/2020 06:06

I couldn't read all what you put. It's sounds like you are being destroyed by this man. He is sexually abusing you. He has told you he has no empathy. He's a psychopath! You're being treated horrendously. You deserve so much more, for you and your children.

I'm sure all the responses here are a lot to take in. But please read them carefully and act on the advice you've been given. You won't regret the day you escape his abuse.

Icloud54 · 06/08/2020 06:15

I'm so sorry you are going through this, it does sound like your husband is to blame for your mental health problems.

I'm sorry to say you are being abused, it's called sexual abuse! You don't want to do it and he still forces you! What kind of 'lovely' man wants to have sex when his wife is in pain?
Please read up on sexual abuse. He doesn't have to pin you down for it to be rape!

RandomTree · 06/08/2020 06:17

OP, this is genuinely horrifying to read Sad

PatchworkElmer · 06/08/2020 06:46

He’s an abuser and a rapist and I hope you’re able to leave him.

Anothernick · 06/08/2020 07:41

@flamingnora123 is absolutely right, no decent man would want to do anything that hurt his partner physically, not during sex or at any other time. His treatment of you is appalling and unfortunately the use of the word monster seems quite appropriate in this case.

I guess that you had quite limited experience of men before you met him as you were quite young when you got together? You should not see his behaviour as in any way normal - he has conditioned you to accept things which should never be accepted and I urge you to take the advice that has been offered here and look for a way out.

HollowTalk · 06/08/2020 07:47

He is raping you and bribing you. He's completely careless as to whether he's hurting you and, frankly I wonder whether your tears turn him on.

How are you not physically damaged by this? Seeing a doctor and telling them the truth might be the best thing to do.

RickOShay · 06/08/2020 07:48

@PeachyVee
I hope you are ok. I imagine this is difficult reading. But they are right.
Have you got anyone to talk things through with in real life?
Take your time and be kind to yourself. Read @Zofloramummy post again. Flowers

ParisianLady · 06/08/2020 07:49

This is heartbreaking to read, I'm so sorry that you're going through this.

Of course this isn't normal.

I know that leaving will feel enormously difficult but I hope you come to a point where you see that leaving us better than staying, and that you alone control your future.

Ask yourself what the future holds if you stay: will be stop controlling or will it get worse, will he stop raping you or will you continue to be degraded and hurt? What does the future look like, does it will you with hope or despair? Take that answer, and leave. Start a new life, it won't be without difficulty but it will be so so much better