Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

A low point in marriage

190 replies

PeachyVee · 06/08/2020 01:37

Hi, I really need to offload and would appreciate some advice 😏. I've been with my husband for 15 years (married for 13), we have 3 wonderful kids aged 13, 11 and 10.
All in all, we've had a generally happy marriage and family life, as a couple we get on really well (on the surface), and I believe this has rubbed off on the children as they are all kind, respectful and polite young people, to which we are really proud of.
Underneath our happy demeanour I feel that there are lots of problems (in my opinion anyway), I feel that I am growing further and further apart from him, I am not the same person that I was when I met him at 21, I am growing and evolving as a person, and I honestly feel so trapped. He is a whole decade older than me, and I really feel like it's starting to show now.
He is not a bad person, he works hard, is motivated and is a brilliant father but I just don't think he "gets" who I am anymore.
I struggle with my mental health quite badly, and to put it bluntly, he is completely useless about it all. I try opening up to him and try to be as transparent as I can, I often struggle with suicidal thoughts, and although it's really hard for me to be open about it (for feeling ashamed) I do try and tell him, but it's always met by silence, a shrug of the shoulders or a quick hug and him telling me not to be "so silly". I get that not everyone knows what to do in these circumstances or what to say, but considering he is a healthcare professional by trade, it always baffles me why he just doesn't seem to care. Last week, I had it out with him and asked him why my mental health doesn't seem to worry/bother him to which he replied that he simply lacks empathy and doesn't know how to react.
He's also very controlling about certain things, especially finances, and every decision regarding our family life is made by him, my ideas or opinions are completely irrelevant. I go to work and I pay my way, but still we are not equal in our financial decision-making. We're still renting after 15 years and I would love to buy a house, but he says no, and that's final!.
The biggest issue in our marriage (sorry it's TMI) is to do with our sex life, he is completely obsessed with anal sex even though I hate it, he expects it to happen every time that we have sex, sex can never just be "normal" it always has to be about getting anal at the end of it. I've told him a million times that I hate it and that it hurts, but he doesn't care, and even when I allow him to do it and I'm crying in pain, he doesn't see that it's a problem. This has been going on for years now but it's getting worse, he tries to use bribery in order to "get it" , especially financial bribery, and he will call me selfish for not agreeing to it. It's starting to really affect me mentally now, and I feel like a part of me dies each time I allow him to do "it", I feel degraded, abused even. I can't remember the last time that I had sex sober, and now it's got to the point where I absolutely have NO sex drive, the last few times we've had sex (normal sex) I feel NOTHING, it just makes me cringe and feel disgusted. I think his behaviour and attitude to sex has just destroyed what ever intimacy we had left. I have found myself fantasising about meeting other men and having sex, just so I can feel like a normal woman again, I'm still horny but not for my husband anymore.
I really can't see things getting any better, it's getting harder and harder to envisage a long-term future with him. I've reached a point where I see that so many things are wrong, I feel restricted, suffocated and repressed and I long for a freedom where I can get to know myself properly again.
It's so hard because like I said, he's not a bad person and I HATE the thought of our children having to endure a family breakup, as bad as I feel things are, I feel it's just NOT enough to put them through that. In my head I've told myself that I won't do anything until my youngest is at least 16 (that's 6 years away), and maybe, just maybe things may have improved by then 🤷🏼‍♀️.
I still care about him as a person (and love him as the father of my kids), even up until a few years ago I still got butterflies when I saw him and still felt so in love with him, but sadly that's all gone... I don't want to hurt him, unlike me, he hasn't got close friends or a family close by and it genuinely hurts me to think of him potentially alone, I wish I could just get a little tougher.
I'm thinking of his feelings and the children's before mine, and it's me that deep-down is suffering and feeling so incredibly isolated. It's hard to open up to people because on the surface we look like this happy couple who are the best of friends.

Please, some words of advice or just your thoughts would be really welcomed. I just need to know that I'm not going mad 😢.

OP posts:
MaeDanvers · 06/08/2020 12:37

I would imagine his lack of empathy about your mental health is very closely related to what he puts you through sexually. He’d have to be an idiot not to realise the two are related and if he admitted your MH was bad maybe he’d have to admit he’s been sexually hurting and degrading you.

As for living alone - it’s way easier than you might think, especially when you’re not being ground down by an abuser. You hold down a job and deal with financial things for the kids as well as it sounds putting a ton of energy into their emotional needs. You’re more than capable! In fact, without someone controlling everything and making you feel like crap your energy levels tend to improve and you get less ‘foggy’ so it’s often a cakewalk in comparison once you’re settled.

Flowers
BeardyButton · 06/08/2020 12:38

OP You are incredible. Your posts come across as so kind, articulate and strong. You have dealt with a huge amount.

I dont know you or him. So what I say could be totally off... But is it possible that this man groomed you? He saw you were vulnerable (family situation), he was a fair bit older. Was he your first proper relationship? He may have found it hard to find someone who would 'give it' to him. And someone he could financially control. So he groomed you...

It is NO SURPRISE that your mental health is not great. Jesus. You must have the strength of a lion to go through what you have and still be standing. Give yourself a break!!!

Now... I havent been through it. But I was a child of a similar dynamic (wouldnt be surprised if there was rape involved too). It took my mother a very very long time to leave. She took him back over and over. I asked her once why... She said she d never stood on her own two feet and she was absolutely terrified by the freedom. But she also said when she had finally decided she d rather be dead than back with him, she found the strength to build a really good life for us all.

What I am trying to say is - it may be very scary for you, esp at the start. But you are absolutely capable and strong enough to do it. And ultimately your kids will see reality for what it is and respect you for it.

The you being 'free' to take care of all the kids stuff financially rings a massive bell. He wont support you financially. I m sorry but he ll fight tooth and nail to give as little as possible. Prepare for this!

My mom went from being a pauper to providing a very decent life for all of us. And we didnt notice the poverty. What we did notice (in the end, when she finally left) was the lightness. My mother had been ground down. We saw her actually physically lighten. We startes laughing again. Going on days out (to the beach). And really enjoying each others company. The eggsgell walking was a thing of the past.

So please. Learn from my mom... Dont waste the time in fear. It will be scary, but so so so doable. There are many women here who have done it before you. There are many resources. A day will come soon, where you dont have to endure pain and humiliation so he can be sexually gratified. Where your own money is spent as you like, and you can save towards a deposit on somewhere you can call home. He adds very little to your life. Dont let fear rob you of the happiness you deserve.

Shoxfordian · 06/08/2020 12:44

He's an abusive rapist
Can you call women's aid? Please do all you can to get away from him

Tiny2018 · 06/08/2020 12:49

He is not only a bad person OP, he is the epitome of an appalling human being.
You are being frequently sexually abused/ raped by the man who is supposed to love and respect you most. The most concerning part is that you done seem to be able to see this for what it is.
The man's a monster, get out before there is nothing left of you.

LOLeater · 06/08/2020 12:53

OP, I couldn’t read all of your first post as I was too shocked. The wise people here have told you the truth and you need to look after you. This is not marriage, it’s prison. No loving partner systematically abuses and blackmails their other half. This is not a loving relationship.

I am sending you love and hugs and strength. Leave. Get out. You deserve to be loved.

💐

Hidingtonothing · 06/08/2020 13:00

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

BigDecisionsLittleTime · 06/08/2020 13:21

💐 OP. So sorry you've had to endure this.

As a PP mentioned these men who go for much younger women know what they're doing. The power imbalance is enough to alter the dynamics of a healthy relationship, let alone adding abusive behaviour into the mix. It's so difficult to see this as a young adult, but you are still young and have a lot of life left to live.

Lean on your best friend for support, you can do this. A new and happy life awaits you and your DC. 💐

tarasmalatarocks · 06/08/2020 13:23

Lovely OP, (and you do sound lovely) please tell this guy where to go and do one. Yes sex is a 2 way street but it doesn’t mean you have to be subjected to something you don’t want or like. If he truly cared deeply the fact that having to participate in something you hate upset you so much should really really mortify him and he would have stopped immediately and apologised profusely. The fact he hasnt means he simply doesn’t care ‘enough’. It doesn’t matter if other things are great— most arseholes out there have some redeeming features or no one would stick them for more than very short doses. It is possible to like someone, care about them, be ok as friends but not be prepared for anything more than that on a relationship front. It’s him that has ‘blown it’ - not you. If he can’t stay friends it’s his loss. I would suspect this guy watches way too much dodgy porn too and that’s where he is getting an anal fixation from. Do yourself a whopping favour, get angry, not sad and end it

Purplewithred · 06/08/2020 13:31

What help and support do you need to leave?

What would happen if you walked out now with just a suitcase and the kids? (I'm not suggesting you do this, just use it as a technique to help you plan)
Flowers

Colourmeclear · 06/08/2020 13:49

This was me years ago, it has brought tears to my eyes. You have had lots of great advice already. There is a better life waiting for you I'm sure.

Before I prepared to leave I kept a diary and noticed that my suicidal thoughts increased following some events and particular days all related to being with ex and it really showed me how much it wasn't just me and my 'broken brain', I was being influenced by him to suffer. I'd recommend a diary (only if it's safe to do so). If it's dated it can also be used when reporting any abuse to the police if that feels appropriate for you or when the time feels right.

workshy44 · 06/08/2020 14:05

God this is one of the worst things I have read on here. Normally I think people are too quick to say LTB on here and in life it isn't as easy as just spitting up just like that but in your case I would be running out the door and never looking back
Please contact womens aid and talk to friends and family. I would have your whole family stay with me if I was your friend rather than have you spend another minute with this abusive rapist (and I don't say that word lightly either)
I mean he is bringing you to the point of suicide

Wallywobbles · 06/08/2020 14:08

Fucking hell. I left my ExH principally for this after just a couple of years. I'd go to the police in your shoes. Go with low expectations but having a record of it will help you when you sort out the financials and custody for the kids.

Then plan your divorce.

Information is empowering. And will limit his power over you.

If possible find some friends/contacts that divorced well. Ask them for lawyer recommendations.

Get appointments with recommended lawyers. 2 reasons for this. It's important to find a lawyer you can work with. I got lucky with no 4. The other reason is if you've seen them he can't use them.

While waiting for appointments get all your and his financial information together:
Tax returns
Bank accounts
Salary slips
Savings accounts
Investments
Life insurance
Pensions
Mortgages
Debts
Assets

Get the house valued

This will enable a lawyer to tell you what you might reasonably receive.

Divorce for unreasonable behavior as cited in your op.

50:50 childcare is normal.

There are sites like entitledto that will tell you what you might be entitled to from the state. There are also maintenance calculators.

Write 2 lists in terms of kids, house, cars, maintenance etc:
What you'd like (copy to lawyer)
What you'd accept (private)

Do not tell him what you are doing. Just get on with it quietly. The more of a head start you have the better of you will be.

MulticolourMophead · 06/08/2020 14:17

My best friend (who knows everything) mentioned the "abuse" word a few months back, as stupid and naive as it sounds, I had never thought of it as being abuse, but once she had planted that seed of thought I guess it triggered me into gaining a completely new (and real perception) into my marriage.

Keep a tight grip on that friend! She's seeing some of the real stuff you are going through, and can label it for what it is, abuse. I'm sure she'll help you and may know others who can also help.

There's a lot of good advice here, especially about getting ducks in a row and leaving with the DC. I did that 3 years ago, leaving someone who was emotionally, financially, verbally and sexually abusive, and yes, he'd try to push anal on me, when he knew that it hurt me. I reckon your DH is getting off on you crying when it hurts.

I haven't started dating again yet, will probably think about it next year, when the worst of the current virus crisis has passed. But I'm happy. I've not had to walk on eggshells, submit to sex I don't want, can spend my money how I like and even decide where to live. DC are teens and have not bothered to speak to their father since we left. They don't like him, they were targets too.

PeachyVee · 06/08/2020 15:46

When we first met all those years ago, I was in a very bad place mentally (and physically). I was suffering from anorexia, which had been brought on my an abusive relationship when I was 18/19 (seems to be a pattern here!).
I was very vulnerable, he still doesn't acknowledge to this day that I had an eating disorder, he just says that he could "see the curves under my skinniness and knew I had potential".
In the early days of our relationship, I improved both physically and mentally, and at the time (and for a long long time afterwards) I genuinely felt that he had saved my life, I honestly felt that if he hadn't had come along when he did, I would have ended up dying from anorexia...
Looking back, he must have seen my array of vulnerabilities and decided that I needed "parenting" and I've simply allowed him to do this ever since.
2 months into our relationship (I remember it like it was yesterday), we were on holiday and he told me about an ex girlfriend of his who had "loved" anal sex, she was the first person that he had ever experienced anal with and it changed everything for him and he had realised how "good" it was. Alarm bells went off for me then and I was really upset, but I just put my feelings down to jelousy of this ex girlfriend.
It was always at the back of my mind after that, that I wasn't as good in bed as this other woman.
After having our 3rd child, it really intensified on how much he demanded anal, I have asked him time and time again if its because I've become "slack" down below, but he always swears that nothing has changed "down there" it's just that he prefers "dirtier" sex....
I've asked him before how he would like it if I forced him to take something up his arse, but he simply answers :"men are there to penetrate, and women to be penetrated"...🤦🏼‍♀️.
I honestly think that if I never allowed him to have anal again he would view our marriage as absolutely pointless, to him it's the equivalent of being starved of food or oxygen.
The thing is, I just don't care anymore. If he was to meet another woman, I wouldn't care, not one bit!.
I don't care anymore that I am "depriving" him of his little "backdoor treat" as he likes to call it.
The next step I guess, is to not care about ending it with him and/or his feelings!.

OP posts:
InkieNecro · 06/08/2020 15:54

To be honest, I'd call the police and have him arrested. He's abusive and needs to leave your house. You have grounds for an emergency occupation order. The NCDV can fill in the paperwork for you, they email it to you to check, you then email it to your family court and they will serve it via email at the moment.

newtb · 06/08/2020 15:54

I think if I'd been raped anally repeatedly I'd be suicidal, too.

Glad to see I'm not the only one saying it's rape.

Not to mention all the other abuse.

OP, get out, and fast.

shadypines · 06/08/2020 16:05

This is one of the most upsetting posts I've read on MN.

rvby · 06/08/2020 16:07

Reading your follow up posts, op you're a tower of strength. You've overcome such desperate odds. I think you're really made of iron, and I think you're going to get away from this man and be so much happier.

Keep posting. Take the steps you need. Try not to fear the emotional pain- it will pass ‐ "when you find yourself in hell, keep going".

shadypines · 06/08/2020 16:08

Your last post Omg. Shock

petrocellihouse · 06/08/2020 16:10

@shadypines

This is one of the most upsetting posts I've read on MN.
Isn't it? I felt nothing but sadness and anger reading your posts OP. As others have already counselled, you need to leave for the sake of your children and the sake of your own mental health. You are living with a controlling, abusive, manipulative rapist. The lovely people on Mumsnet will reveal themselves to be capable of giving you very good support, but I would also advise that you get some support in real life too.
BuffaloCauliflower · 06/08/2020 16:15

OP this is truly devastating, you don’t have to live like this. You would absolutely be better off on your own with your children, this isn’t love and isn’t what a marriage is meant to be.

Tavannach · 06/08/2020 16:17

I've caught my eldest giving him "death stares" before and that is completely out of character for her.

This really chilled me. I don't want to be alarmist but please talk to your daughter to check that she is alright.

Please contact Rape Crisis asap. Make plans to leave imminently. The situation is inhuman. I was really shocked when I read your post last night and I don't think I communicated that, and that I think you should get out as quickly as possible. Saying that he has no empathy is just saying he doesn't care, but with fancier words.

Scratchyback · 06/08/2020 16:28

I’m torn between absolute rage and complete sadness for you OP. I hope you can take your children and leave this man and live the life you deserve to. As others have said, you’ve been totally abused. I’m horrified - what a creep. Your mental health will improve no end when you’re away from him Flowers

Fizzysours · 06/08/2020 17:20

No wonder you feel suicidal. Most of us would if we were repeatedly forced into anal sex.

Get rid of him...you might find your mental health problems drastically improve.

If somebody treated one of your children like this, you would feel murderous with rage. He is treating you like this, and your rage has turned to sadness. Big hugs, I feel really sad reading this post 😪😪😪

Bumpsadaisie · 06/08/2020 17:23

It is making me feel sick to read this.

Please never have any sexual contact with him again.