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A low point in marriage

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PeachyVee · 06/08/2020 01:37

Hi, I really need to offload and would appreciate some advice 😏. I've been with my husband for 15 years (married for 13), we have 3 wonderful kids aged 13, 11 and 10.
All in all, we've had a generally happy marriage and family life, as a couple we get on really well (on the surface), and I believe this has rubbed off on the children as they are all kind, respectful and polite young people, to which we are really proud of.
Underneath our happy demeanour I feel that there are lots of problems (in my opinion anyway), I feel that I am growing further and further apart from him, I am not the same person that I was when I met him at 21, I am growing and evolving as a person, and I honestly feel so trapped. He is a whole decade older than me, and I really feel like it's starting to show now.
He is not a bad person, he works hard, is motivated and is a brilliant father but I just don't think he "gets" who I am anymore.
I struggle with my mental health quite badly, and to put it bluntly, he is completely useless about it all. I try opening up to him and try to be as transparent as I can, I often struggle with suicidal thoughts, and although it's really hard for me to be open about it (for feeling ashamed) I do try and tell him, but it's always met by silence, a shrug of the shoulders or a quick hug and him telling me not to be "so silly". I get that not everyone knows what to do in these circumstances or what to say, but considering he is a healthcare professional by trade, it always baffles me why he just doesn't seem to care. Last week, I had it out with him and asked him why my mental health doesn't seem to worry/bother him to which he replied that he simply lacks empathy and doesn't know how to react.
He's also very controlling about certain things, especially finances, and every decision regarding our family life is made by him, my ideas or opinions are completely irrelevant. I go to work and I pay my way, but still we are not equal in our financial decision-making. We're still renting after 15 years and I would love to buy a house, but he says no, and that's final!.
The biggest issue in our marriage (sorry it's TMI) is to do with our sex life, he is completely obsessed with anal sex even though I hate it, he expects it to happen every time that we have sex, sex can never just be "normal" it always has to be about getting anal at the end of it. I've told him a million times that I hate it and that it hurts, but he doesn't care, and even when I allow him to do it and I'm crying in pain, he doesn't see that it's a problem. This has been going on for years now but it's getting worse, he tries to use bribery in order to "get it" , especially financial bribery, and he will call me selfish for not agreeing to it. It's starting to really affect me mentally now, and I feel like a part of me dies each time I allow him to do "it", I feel degraded, abused even. I can't remember the last time that I had sex sober, and now it's got to the point where I absolutely have NO sex drive, the last few times we've had sex (normal sex) I feel NOTHING, it just makes me cringe and feel disgusted. I think his behaviour and attitude to sex has just destroyed what ever intimacy we had left. I have found myself fantasising about meeting other men and having sex, just so I can feel like a normal woman again, I'm still horny but not for my husband anymore.
I really can't see things getting any better, it's getting harder and harder to envisage a long-term future with him. I've reached a point where I see that so many things are wrong, I feel restricted, suffocated and repressed and I long for a freedom where I can get to know myself properly again.
It's so hard because like I said, he's not a bad person and I HATE the thought of our children having to endure a family breakup, as bad as I feel things are, I feel it's just NOT enough to put them through that. In my head I've told myself that I won't do anything until my youngest is at least 16 (that's 6 years away), and maybe, just maybe things may have improved by then 🤷🏼‍♀️.
I still care about him as a person (and love him as the father of my kids), even up until a few years ago I still got butterflies when I saw him and still felt so in love with him, but sadly that's all gone... I don't want to hurt him, unlike me, he hasn't got close friends or a family close by and it genuinely hurts me to think of him potentially alone, I wish I could just get a little tougher.
I'm thinking of his feelings and the children's before mine, and it's me that deep-down is suffering and feeling so incredibly isolated. It's hard to open up to people because on the surface we look like this happy couple who are the best of friends.

Please, some words of advice or just your thoughts would be really welcomed. I just need to know that I'm not going mad 😢.

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middleager · 06/08/2020 07:52

This is awful OP, he is awful. Please leave.

TwilightPeace · 06/08/2020 07:56

He’s a rapist and an abuser. I’m so sorry.
You can’t see it because it’s become normal to you. Deep down you know it’s wrong. This man does not care about your feelings or well-being. He doesn’t care about you as a human being, just what he can get from you.

You need to get out of this marriage and re-build your life and mental health.

Don’t stay for the children. LEAVE for them. They need a mum who is happy and safe. Not one who is being abused and slowly dying on the inside.

You don’t deserve what he has been doing to you. I hope you can see that.

WinterAndRoughWeather · 06/08/2020 07:57

This is so, so far from normal, OP. It’s heartbreaking. Please don’t put yourself through it for another six years. Your kids will be fine, better in fact. You don’t want them learning that his behaviour is in any way normal. You all need to get out and live a happier life. You only get one and he’s destroying yours.

CarrieFour · 06/08/2020 08:03

I'm so sad for you reading this OP xx

Hope you manage to get some support.

Footle · 06/08/2020 08:10

@PeachyVee, this is horrifying. None of it is your fault, but only you can stop it.

LynetteScavo · 06/08/2020 08:14

He sounds hideous. Personally I could stay being abused like this for another 6 years.

Start by telling him you will NOT be having anal sex again ever. Any decent human being would respect that.

RedNun · 06/08/2020 08:17

OP, your MH is directly linked to your financially and sexually coercive marriage — they aren’t separate problems.

BurtsBeesKnees · 06/08/2020 08:19

@RedNun has it absolutely spot on in one sentence

LynetteScavo · 06/08/2020 08:24

*couldn't

Bumpsadaisie · 06/08/2020 08:27

This is horrible OP.

The thought of you having to drink to be able to cope with forced anal sex is revolting. You poor thing.

You must put a stop to sex with him.

No wonder you feel suicidal and have mh problems.

He is the one at fault but hard as it is you must do something to set proper boundaries and protect yourself and your children.

DazedWifelet · 06/08/2020 08:28

OP he is raping you and that is a crime. Absolutely horrific! Please get help. Contact Women's Aid, Refuge, Rape Crisis - you can't stay with him. Sending virtual hugs.

Enko · 06/08/2020 08:31

I juat wanted to wrap you in a hug reading this op. Sorry this is happening to you. Please seek help as suggested by others

Bluetrews25 · 06/08/2020 08:36

PeachyVee, sweetheart, I actually have tears in my eyes at reading your op.
He is raping you.
He doesn't care.
I wish I could do something to help. Listen to the others on here. You need to get out.

Welshgal85 · 06/08/2020 08:43

OP he is controlling and abusing you. I am so sorry this is happening to you. Please please contact Women’s aid or rape crisis as they will be able to help.
Also, are you currently getting support from elsewhere for your mental health issues you mentioned? If not, please speak to a friend, family member or organisations like Samaritans or Mind who can be there for you. www.samaritans.org/wales/how-we-can-help/if-youre-having-difficult-time/

Also, I know you are worried about the impact a breakup would have on your kids but think about how they are already being impacted by the current situation. They will just want to see you happy and will be able to pick up on what’s going on at home. Sending you lots of love and support

WellIWasInTheNeighbourhoo · 06/08/2020 08:57

Abused people often feel sad when they should be feeling angry. They know they are not allowed to be angry, but when you stuff that anger down & won’t acknowledge it, it becomes sadness, then sadness becomes depression, and eventually the depression sucks away even your will to live. And that’s where you are lovely lady. You know he’s not a good man, you know it’s all a facade kept in place by your submission & that if you dared to show who you really are (an equal human being with rights and feelings) that his facade of ‘good man’ will disappear like the illusion it is.

You’re going to need your anger though. You’re going to need it to escape this. Do you have someone you trust you can confide in? Someone to talk to? Can you find a way to see a counsellor, perhaps under the guise of dealing with ‘your mental health issues’ (there’s nothing wrong with you btw your reaction to an abusive situation is completely normal). It would need to be a trauma informed counsellor with experience of domestic abuse.

Please don’t suffer for another six years, by then it’s too late, your children will never get to see their free and happy mother living in her own fulfilment & light. And that’s too much to take away from all of you to appease one small selfish man. Children see truth, even if you think they don’t, and the subconscious lessons you are teaching are more powerful than any words you speak or illusions you perpetuate.

He destroyed all that love you freely whole heartedly gave - he has no one to blame but himself. But be prepared because once the illusion is unmasked the real character will be fully revealed. Have a plan to protect yourself and your children.

Namechange21212121 · 06/08/2020 09:01

OP this is coercion and sexual assault at the very least.
I left my ex husband for the same behaviour. It is rape and you do not need to put up with this any more. If you want to PM me I can talk you through how to press charges if you wish to. What he is doing is wrong and you deserve so much better.

pomdownunder1 · 06/08/2020 09:13

Sorry you have to put up with this. Please imagine it the other way round for a minute...you bribing him for sexual favours and forcing him to do anal. Maybe even call his bluff and say it's your new fantasy, you'll do it if he will.

pomdownunder1 · 06/08/2020 09:15

And I hope you find the strength to leave him, nobody should have to put up with this

Vodkacranberryplease · 06/08/2020 09:55

I think before you leave him you have to find the strength to stand up for yourself properly. To tell him in no uncertain terms anal is off the menu forever. That it has caused you to feel abused and degraded and has made you resent him. That you will NOT do it again.

Then tell him enough is enough - you will have an equal say in financial and household decisions. You earn money - fuck him.

Because yes you should leave him - but you can't be such a passive participant in your own abuse and have that not affect you severely and if you never find your voice it won't be much better after you split. Crying while he rapes you is not right. You should be screaming at him to stop - not waiting for him to take pity on you.

You want him to do the right thing without having to force him - but he won't. You have to make him. And you have to tell him how it's going to be without a debate.

PeachyVee · 06/08/2020 11:38

Thank you for all of your messages, I really appreciate you taking the time to reply 🙏. After I read the first few replies last night, I lay in bed with a racing heart and started to think SERIOUSLY about how I will leave him and survive with the kids as a single mum, it's absolutely do-able, I just need to find the strength...
I know in my heart that I would be so much happier, and I know in my heart that what he's doing IS abuse...
My best friend (who knows everything) mentioned the "abuse" word a few months back, as stupid and naive as it sounds, I had never thought of it as being abuse, but once she had planted that seed of thought I guess it triggered me into gaining a completely new (and real perception) into my marriage.
The one thing that I have always been aware of right from the start, is that he has always 'parented' me, I used to think that it was just his way of 'taking care' of me, and maybe I am just a naturally submissive person, but this 'parenting' has become about control and he has taken away the ability to think or make decisions for myself, he 'allows' me to make decisions about the kids, and financially I have to pay for everything kid-related (as in school uniforms, clubs, school bus-passes, etc), but the 'big stuff' he has total control over, and I worry about how I would survive living as a single mum, as I have never been allowed to do things for myself 🤷🏼‍♀️.
With the sex thing, I have tried talking to him about it over and over again but he just CANNOT see what the problem is, he cannot see that it is wrong, he says that sex is a "two-way street", he gives me what I "want" (normal sex) and in return I should "give" him what he wants.
He hates me drinking alcohol in normal circumstances, but he will happily ply me with alcohol on an evening just so I'll be numb/drunk enough to let him "do it" to me. I've been really strong lately and have managed to avoid it.
What I forgot to mention in my first post, is that he also gaslights me A LOT, I call him out on it but he is in complete denial.
The most painful thing is how he is so dismissive about my MH, I'm not someone who shouts about it from the rooftops (it takes a lot for me to open up about it, and I am not an attention seeker) so for me to be open with him is a big deal. If ANYONE and I mean ANYONE expressed suicidal wishes to me, I would be all over them (trying to help and support them), he is obviously so apathetic that he simply does not give a s**t if one day I just get up and jump off a bridge...
I struggled with my MH before I met him, but I know that it has definitely got much worse over the last decade or so.
What makes me so sad, is that I've never had a life (yet) of living without some sort of abuse, I grew up with an emotionally abusive, narcissist mother (and passive father) she was incredibly controlling and emotionally abusive, and the first time I ever stood up to her was when I told her I was moving in my with boyfriend (my now husband), I felt like I had finally found my freedom, but now I recognise that I just went from one controlling relationship to another and never had the chance to be alone or get to know myself properly. I was desperate for a marriage and kids -the whole "fairytale".
The only thing that keeps me going are my children, every day I strive to give them the emotional freedom and unconditional love that I was not given as a child. I think that they don't pick up on stuff but like some of you said, it's very likely that they do. I've caught my eldest giving him "death stares" before, and that is completely out of character for her.
I need to get tough, I need to accept exactly what is happening and get some help ASAP😢😢.

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WinterAndRoughWeather · 06/08/2020 11:48

Oh @PeachyVee this is so brave. Your kids will definitely be picking up on it, even if they’re just internalising it as normal like you were.

But to coin a cliche, this is the first day of the rest of your life and you are so young!

Brilliant that you’ve got a friend for support in real life, and you will get all the advice and support you need here on MN too.

Don’t worry for a second about learning how to do the “big stuff” - you’ll cross those bridges as you come to them and be surprised how easy they are. He is letting you believe it’s hard in order to control you.

You’ll be swell, you’ll be great.

One step at a time.

WinterAndRoughWeather · 06/08/2020 11:51

And re: the suicidal thoughts. He’s either a sociopath or knows that he is the root cause of your misery (or probably both, given his behaviour). He can’t let you seek help because he knows the jig will be up. He’s monstrous. Men like this prey on the vulnerable.

But you have your whole life ahead of you to heal and be happy. He will be a monster forever.

PinkMonkeyBird · 06/08/2020 12:02

Oh @PeachyVee I just want to give you a big hug. When I started to read your original post and it came to the part where you described the sex it made me feel devastated for you. You've been systematically coerced and abused for such a long time, no wonder your MH is frayed. Your friend is indeed right and I'm glad she's helped made you realise this is abuse.

You will get through this. From this point on, you don't have to have sex with him. The veneer of your marriage has been lifted for what it really is, he's an abuser...sexually and financially.

Now this is clear, you can start planning to get out of this situation and divorce him. Think of this as the start of your new life. It will be hard, but the end point is to be free of this for you to feel safe. I can't begin to imagine the anxiety and stress you must have felt when you were drinking/numbing yourself in preparation for the inevitable.

Don't ever feel you are letting your children down. I am sure that if they were adults right now and knew what you were having to put up with, they would be devastated to know you have been abused for so long. Your children will bounce back from any upheaval and you sound like a wonderful mum. But you have to put yourself first and get some help right now. xx

year5teacher · 06/08/2020 12:16

All your children need is you. You clearly love them so much and have the strength to leave this awful, abusive rapist. You can do it! In six months, even less, you will look back and feel so glad of how far you have come. You don’t need to put up with this treatment, you know your worth and you know your children deserve a life with a happy mother. you can and will get this happy, free life for them and for you. I believe in you - you can do it Flowers

Vodkacranberryplease · 06/08/2020 12:23

Over the time I've been on here I've seen some amazing advice for women in your situation. So the things I always see are

  • the book, why does he do that, inside the mind of an intimate male abuser by Lundy Bancroft.
  • the freedom program - mentioned in a sticky thread in mumsnet.
  • contacting women's aid

But for me before you do anything you need to get access to the bank accounts, pensions, mortgage documents- the lot. Even if you don't have online access you need the names of the places they are held, names on the accounts and the account numbers. Then you need to get a solicitor who specialises in domestic abuse who can be your strength. You will need someone on your side and for that someone to be strong and in control.

I'm guessing he's managed to somehow keep you away from having much of a network of your own but you do have some. People can see this and your children DEFINITELY can.

Get your solicitor ready and don't try and do this for free. Lie and pretend you need money for something else if need be.

Then when that's under way (long before you discuss anything with him) start reading up about these men. They are a type snd you will be shocked at how similar they are.

It's also common for vulnerable women from abusive homes to 'escape' into relationships with abusers. He chose you because you were vulnerable and easy to control, and he will continue that after you split so you will need to get strong and make sure you get looked after financially. He will try and hide assets but has to disclose them legally. But if you don't know that an asset exists your solicitor won't know to ask about it.

You should also be entitled to take money out of accounts to get started. It's your money too.