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Husband's affair advice needed

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Clarrie59 · 15/07/2020 14:12

Hello,
I recently found out my DH was having an affair with a woman at work. He has worked with her for several years and we counted her as a friend before whatever went on went on. They were intimate for a year apparently. He says they have broken up (her doing).
I insisted that they no longer work together if there is any chance of repairing my marriage and he told me she would leave the firm. She is reluctant to leave, but insists their relationship will only be as friends from now on. However she also told him (I read an email) that she hopes he will still give her a hug and a kiss when she needs it.
This is not someone who has ended a relationship is it?

OP posts:
Shutupyoutart · 17/07/2020 11:25

It's natural to want to make sense of it and to need a reason but I think the reason here is that your husband is weak and selfish. OK if he was unhappy he should have told you, talked to you, worked through it together or not.but he cheated instead. that was a choice don't let him place the blame on you this is on him. Keep reminding yourself of that every time you doubt yourself. As for ow She may seem kind but what she's done to you, her friend is the opposite of kind isn't it. I hope you are OK op it's easy for us to tell you what you should do but in reality this is your life and it's been turned upside down. Be kind to yourself. I'm glad you have confided in your friend you need real life support. X

fatgirlslimmer · 17/07/2020 11:31

His arrogance is breathtaking.

Her DP may never contact you, OW will be trying damage limitation now that it is out. If he's anything like my DH he may not have even checked his email, she may know his log in and delete it. He may dote on her and believe any spin that she wishes to put on it.

I do understand that you need explanations but you will never get any sense from two people who are lying to cover their tracks. Do not allow him to blame you make sure you tell him every time it is him, never you, do not doubt yourself.

You can drive yourself insane wondering where you went wrong, you didn't he did. If there were issues he should have spoken about them but there were no issues other than his deceit and infidelity.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/07/2020 11:40

I haven't heard from DH mum but I think she'll be very upset with him

Initially perhaps, but whtever your relationship's been in the past please don't expect ongoing support from her. She is after all his mum, and with the need to have someone - anyone - "on his side" the stories he'll create for her will be hair-raising

I totally get the mind bending need to make sense of something that makes no sense at all, but in time you'll come to see it's not necessary. All that really matters is his behaviour and your own peace of mind, and I'm afraid it now doesn't seem you'll ever be able to have any with him

You're what matters now and you can take all the time you need to make your own choices and decisions

Dery · 17/07/2020 11:49

Another fan of @FizzyGreenWater's email here (reproduced below for ease of reference)! It's spot on. Send it to him. That really should shut him up. And like @KittyHawke80, I have also notice Fizzy suggests terrific draft emails (as well as giving spot on advice generally)!

Fizzy's draft email again:

'You can shut up now. Nothing you've said over the last couple of days to justify your shitty pathetic affair is true. You're just doing EXACTLY what every other slimy cheat does when they're busted. It's called re-writing history. If you google 'The Script' - you'll see it all written down for you. Because you're not special, she's not special, you've just done what millions of other nasty little cheats do and now you're doing exactly the same now you've been found out. I'm sure she's also lying her head off to her DH right now about how she hasn't been happy and he's neglected her blah blah, and that will be a pack of self-serving lies to make her feel better too. We were happy. I was loyal and loving towards you. FUCK OFF trying to tell me any different just so you can feel like you're not just a low run-of-the-mill cheat.'

You might even add: 'You're just looking for the coward's way out so you don't have to face consequences. At least have the balls to admit who you truly are and why you did what you did and to take the consequences that come with cheating on your partner'.

alliwantisagoodnightssleep · 17/07/2020 12:14

It is easy to understand why they did it. They are absolute fucking cunts.

They never gave a flying fuck about you or your feelings. He shagged her in your bed! How much more despicable can he get. And she is no better.

I would make an appointment with a shit hot lawyer and start planning a future for yourself where people who are supposed to love you treat you properly.

I am so sorry you are going through this but remember he and she lied to you for over a year!!

PPEcompensatoryeyeliner · 17/07/2020 12:41

I think marriages can overcome affairs. But the cheater must be remorseful, and your DH couldn't give a fuck. If the OW hadn't dropped him it's quite clear this would be carrying on.

He did it because he wanted to, and he very clearly doesn't give a damn about your feelings. He hasn't even respected you enough to pretend.

He has nothing but contempt for you. This isn't savable.

MushyPeasAreTheDevilsFood · 17/07/2020 12:44

@Clarrie59

Sorry to do this. It's like a stuck record. I just want an explanation that makes sense I guess. I've taken the day off work. I haven't heard from DH mum but I think she'll be very upset with him. She's a lovely person.
The explanation is, he thought he could get away with it.

Omg i keep reporting posts instead of Quoting! Sorry mnhq when you check why ive reported this post... again. It was, again, and accident.

Mix56 · 17/07/2020 13:05

He will not have told his mother the truth. he will say you drifted apart, you were not interested in him, things had been rocky for along time, it's certain he won't have told her that he was shagging in your marital bed.
He will lie.

LessCumbersome · 17/07/2020 13:20

I haven't read the whole thread OP , just your posts. I just want to say that I am sorry that happened, your posts sound heartbreaking in your inability to understand what happened. I'm so sorry your best friend and your friend treated you so awfully.

It's probably been said before , your husband wanted to cheat, but he knew that cheating is wrong and bad, so he changed the story of your relationship so that you fit the profile of an uncaring wife, and he's ALWAYS been unhappy... He says to himself "don't I deserve to be happy?". And then is able to move forward into the affair.

It's cruel. And it's a lie. Don't believe these things if yourself.

It's called cognitive dissonance.

Anyway, I am upset on your behalf.

IAmReportingYouForBBQing · 17/07/2020 13:43

Reading this and in furious on your behalf. The betrayal by the two of them is simply shocking. I hope she is so ashamed of her actions that she never sees your husband again. I hope her dumping him causes him masses of pain because this sort of thing can take years to get over. What an absolute pair of shits ☹️

tribpot · 17/07/2020 13:56

It's cruel. And it's a lie. Don't believe these things if yourself.
Just as @LessCumbersome says. You are believing the word of a liar. You're tormenting yourself as if what he is saying were true. It isn't. I doubt he even believes it himself. They are just the words he uses to case blame on everyone but himself.

I understand why you feel you need an explanation that makes sense, but there isn't one. Well, there's a simple one: they wanted to do it, they thought they could get away with it, they didn't care enough about their spouses not to do it, so they did it.

It's time to focus on you and what you need. It's great that you have a friend coming over - that's what you need. Someone to look after you.

Msonamission · 17/07/2020 14:27

@Clarrie59

DH at his mum's. I think he's told his mum. No word from OW or her husband. My oldest friend coming over later to see me. I've told her and she's outraged (and also gobsmacked as DH seems like last person who would do this - he's a quiet, mildly grumpy man, not at all a womaniser or flirt etc). I still can't believe I was so cold and hard to live with. Last year DH was very ill and taken to hospital and I looked after him, I sat with him in intensive care every day, worried about him, everything. When I said that to him he claimed not to remember me being especially kind etc. He also said that OW was devastated when he was ill and had to cry about him in secret so her DH wasn't suspicious. I also pointed out that she had messaged me her sympathy at the time and he said "Oh she had to do that or you would have wondered why she wasn't contacting you". I can't get over this. It's like he's lost his mind.
Jesus, the similarities with my experience are scary, Clarrie59. That's EXACTLY what you think don't you - like he's lost his mind. It's terrifying. Then others start to explain about cognitive dissonance, and the script, and it all starts to make sense - terrifying sense. You are doing great, you've been so strong, keep going xx
Msonamission · 17/07/2020 14:39

@Mix56

He will not have told his mother the truth. he will say you drifted apart, you were not interested in him, things had been rocky for along time, it's certain he won't have told her that he was shagging in your marital bed. He will lie.
The 'you were not interested in him' appears to be the standard response. When it comes out of the blue you go 'wait.. what..what do you mean...' and then start coming up with stupid examples, justifying your own position when you don't even need to justify something that has been reality. I mean, how DO you go about justifying how you cared for him when he was in hospital?!? Be aware that he is revisioning your shared experiences together in his head because he has to placate the guilt that is bubbling away in his sub-conscious. Plus, he has romanticised her as the weeping woman at a distance, who desperately wants to wipe his brow but cannot because you - his WIFE - is irritatingly standing between you and this weeping woman. It is, frankly, pathetic: they sound emotionally retarded.
BurtsBeesKnees · 17/07/2020 15:18

I bet he's not told his mum yet

Thewookiemustgo · 17/07/2020 15:35

There are some excellent responses here. Sadly I too have experienced the crushing pain of discovering that my husband had an affair. On other threads I have seen incredulous posts from women saying that the wife must have been ignoring signs or in denial about their husbands’s behaviour or just thick. I wasn’t and I’m not. I had been with my husband for well over 30 years and was due to celebrate our 30th anniversary in the summer of the same year that I found out about his affair in the spring. We were happy, everything was ok, not perfect, nothing is, but very ok. I trusted him completely and utterly, as I had always done, he had never given me a day in all those years that made me doubt his love for me or faithfulness. He used that very fact to betray me completely and utterly for fourteen months.
The total soul and self-esteem destroying SHOCK when I found out that he was having an affair with a woman nearly 20 years my junior and the ensuing pain was worse than even the death of my beloved parents. If he had told me he was actually an alien in a human suit my mind could not have been more blown. SO:

Do not underestimate what has just happened to you. You are reeling with shock and desperately trying to make sense of everything.
Logic does not apply here. Here are the three most important things to let sink in. It’s hard, your head is spinning, but this is the truth:

1: the blame is his.
2: the blame is his
3: the blame is his

My dear, dear girl, you were only responsible for 50% of the state of your marriage at any given time.
This current state of your marriage is down to HIS poor decisions, HIS decision not to discuss his feelings with you before he had an affair and HIS choice to pursue this woman. You are in no way responsible for any of those appalling choices. He could have approached you and tried to sort any problems he thought he had at any time. His choices, his decisions.

So if you are anything like all of us who have been there, just as when anything traumatic and unexpected happens, you are now desperately seeking “Why?” and hanging on to everything he has said, trying to replay it and decipher it to find the truth, who to blame, was it him/ me/ her? It is a waste of your precious energy that you will need to heal yourself.

Here’s why: This is also very hard, you now have to go against the grain of the way you believed him before, but:

Everything that has and will come out of his mouth is really coming from the whacky planet he currently inhabits. This planet is a marvellous no-rules no-guilt planet called the planet Screwpiter. It has so many warped constructs and distortions of reality it makes Fraggle Rock look normal. He has constructed this planet to enable him to conduct an affair guilt free. It is NOT real and from what you have written, anything and everything he says is straight from Screwpiter.

On Earth if you have an affair, you are an Enormous Shit. On Planet Screwpiter, The one where you really can do anything you want to get what you perceive as ‘your needs’ met, your nice marriage must be changed to be dead, dying or clearly struggling in relationship A and E, thanks to your awful wife. You can increase Planet Screwpiter’s psychological comfort factor by reinventing your past and carefully moving yourself from the role of Enormous Shit to the role of Poor Victim. Isn’t that great? Now you can pursue any crumb of anything or anyone you fancy because you deserve it after all life has put you through. And Yippee! The other deluded inhabitants of Screwpiter feel the same as you! Fantastic! Now you can use the new woman you quite fancy screwing as an emotional crutch to move things along nicely on Screwpiter, and both moan about your spouses and how you are ‘saving each other’ from the allegedly shitty life back on Earth. Now we’re not Enormous Shits who have to feel guilty, we’re star-crossed victims of awful spouses! Yay!

Meanwhile, back on Earth (or reality as most of us know it) you annoyingly have a loving wife and children who really are fucking up your nicely constructed planet, so more and more fake crap has to be made up to keep away the extraordinary and scary possibility that you might indeed actually be an Enormous Shit after all and not a PoorVictim.

At present, back here on Earth, his cover is blown and he is struggling desperately not to have to face up to the fact that he, that nice family guy, the one who is so straight-up and nice that nobody thought would ever, in a million years, be capable of doing anything to his family as appalling as having an affair, is actually capable of having an affair. Of being an Enormous Shit. Of lying to, deceiving and manipulating you to enable him to continue screwing another woman behind your back. He will reinvent history, paint you as the problem, say ANYTHING to avoid facing up to himself. He’s desperately trying to protect his previous image of himself and avoid the painful truth that he isn’t that great guy, he’s really capable of doing terrible things and lying to cover it up and pursue his own desires at the expense of others who love him. Oh dear, another Enormous Shit just hit the reality fan.

Lovely, what I am trying to say is that his secret life is not compatible with reality. He needs to keep clinging to the crap he invented to try to excuse the terrible things he has done. As long as the two planets didn’t collide, they could co-exist. He swallowed every word his Planet Screwpiter Lying Bitch told him and was devastated to find out that she actually prefers Planet Earth to Screwpiter. There’s a chance she might be the kind of Superbitch who is pulling a stunt to see if he would actually leave you for her, or maybe actually she couldn’t construct a decent enough amount of bullshit to protect her from guilt, so Planet Screwpiter became a mirror for her own awfulness. She had to get out and go back to Earth.
Who knows? Point is it doesn’t matter. They are both in such La-La land that I doubt either of them actually knows whether they love each other or not. They don’t have a ‘relationship’. They have a series of shagfests based on lies and deceit. Your ‘unhappy’ husband wasn’t so unhappy as to leave you. He just made up and lied his way through an entire planet to stop having to deal with reality. Pinocchio is a mild fibber in comparison. Even the Blue Fairy couldn’t make him a real fucking boy after all this.

SO:

Give yourself time now. Don’t look for explanations. Let the DeathStar of reality nuke planet Screwpiter for you (It will) and use the time to try to get enough food and drink inside you, love and support your children, accept help from wherever you can get it and see how you really feel about all this. You need time.

Although tempting and I know, my lovely, I know how much you need something that makes sense right now, please, please, stop trying to make sense of what he says and do not under any circumstances even consider self-blame or criticism. There is truly NO sense to be had from him yet until he faces up to everything and that might take a while.

Feel free to PM me any time you like. I’ve walked in your shoes and am 16 months on now. Prioritise yourself and the children. Much empathy and love to you, you sound like a lovely woman. X

LessCumbersome · 17/07/2020 15:36

I actually can't believe he told you that the OW had to cry in private when he was in hospital. Or that she had to send you condolences . He sounds like this is the overwhelming memory of that time. He is only thinking and considering his feelings in this. There is something off about it.

Is he a person that usually lacks empathy? Because the way he is acting since you found him crying is absolutely devoid of any empathy for you.
I see none. He isn't caring for or attempting to validate your feelings at all.

Needhelp101 · 17/07/2020 15:45

@thewookiemustgo, excellent post. Your comment about him being an alien in a human suit really resonated.
It's absolutely shattering.

Thewookiemustgo · 17/07/2020 16:23

Thank you. It’s stuff I wish I’d known at the time, or been compos mentis enough to really hear. Sorry to all readers that it’s an essay but this lady’s awful experience resonates with me. She sounds like I felt and I can’t bear the thought that anyone, including total strangers, could go through this kind of agony. So sorry that you did too X

Zaphodsotherhead · 17/07/2020 17:40

LessCumbersome - he may previously have been the most empathetic man on the planet. My XH used to cry at the thought of me dying and leaving him living without me. But when the shit hits the fan, that empathy is all reserved solely for themselves. You are no longer even human in their eyes and therefore not worth empathising with.

Clarrie59 · 17/07/2020 18:16

Thank you very much everyone for your kind advice. @Thewookiemustgo Thank you for that. I just keep thinking if he started confiding in her about being unhappy etc why didn’t she say ‘look talk to Clarrie about this not me’. She knows me. I’m sure she didn’t make him do anything he didn’t want to do, but she could have refrained from flirting etc because she knows me and I have never done her any harm. Anyway I know it’s pointless to keep thinking about it. I have to try to feel better but it’s so painful. Still nothing from her or her husband I don’t expect they’ll contact me. Going to eat some tea with the kids.

OP posts:
Dery · 17/07/2020 18:25

@Clarrie59 - this is a double treachery and a dreadfully painful position to be in. As another poster said further up - you may never hear from the H. She may be doing her own bit of spin in order to save her relationship whereas you walked in on your husband as she was ending the affair and he was spontaneously reacting to it. But in the end, horrible as it's been, I think it will be to your advantage that you saw your H at that point because ultimately it makes it easier for you to cut the thread and leave your DH behind. Her H may hang on in there for years with all the mistrust and pain continuing on a daily basis while you will be through and out the other side.

MsDogLady · 17/07/2020 18:34

I still can’t believe I was so cold and hard to live with.

Clarrie, you were most assuredly not cold and hard to live with. Do not buy into this lie. He made up this phony story to rationalize his wrongdoing. Think about it. He spent a year+ pretending to be a committed husband and family man while shagging OW in your house. To reconcile this revolting behavior with his self-image as a good person, he scripted this drama which demonizes you and romanticizes OW.

He cheated because of his weak boundaries and supreme selfishness. He saw an opportunity for new sex/ego boost and went for it. This was never about anything you did or didn’t do.

As for OW, she obviously isn’t what she works hard to portray. She was mainly concerned about others finding out because her carefully crafted virtuous, kindness-personified image is incompatible with sneaking over to her friend’s house to shag her husband. Her false facade is crumbling, as is his, and everyone will know.

I echo others that OW may well have intercepted your message to her H. I have known this to happen.

Happynow001 · 17/07/2020 18:41

I just keep thinking if he started confiding in her about being unhappy etc why didn’t she say ‘look talk to Clarrie about this not me’. She knows me. I’m sure she didn’t make him do anything he didn’t want to do, but she could have refrained from flirting etc because she knows me and I have never done her any harm.

The thing is though @Clarrie59 it was never about you, or about her husband. It was about THEM. What they wanted whenever and wherever they could - even in your own home, in your own bed.

It sounds as though she was trying some damage limitation FOR HERSELF - not even for him - but because of suspicions about her actions becoming known in her own life. You and how betrayed and hurt you would be, and are, and the effects on her own marriage, were on the far periphery until it began to affect her. Goodness knows what, if anything, she is telling her husband (unless she managed to intercept your message and he still doesn't know).

You do, however, see how self-serving and deceitful he is and will build that in the great lie that he tells the world. He may even make himself believe it - and thus be more convincing to those he lies to, eg: Mutual friends, his mother, for example.

Trying to work out why he's smashed your life together will twist you into knots and will not, sadly, sort out any of the practical things you need to do, starting with protecting yourself and planning for whatever future comes next.

You've started though - so stay strong and share this with whoever will help to support you now and in the future. Strength to you OP. 🌹

Sexnotgender · 17/07/2020 18:57

Fucking hell, what a pair of conniving shitebags!

And of course it’s all your fault, you didn’t stroke his ego sufficiently and he just fell into the arms of someone who did.

What bullshit. I’m so sorry Flowers

Tisahardlife · 17/07/2020 19:53

This is terrible, he's hurting because his affair has ended and he's trying to lean on you, his wife, for emotional support, unbelievable!

You poor thing, how awful Flowers