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He doesn't want to marry me, does he?

454 replies

poppiesredfred · 13/07/2020 18:42

I've been with my boyfriend for 2 years and we live together. Back in April, he surprised me one morning when I came downstairs and he was playing a song on Alexa and said 'this would be a great first dance song at our wedding' and then pulled out a Haribo ring. He's a joker and I laughed and said 'yeah, would be amazing!' but he said he was serious. I spent the rest of the day in shock, asking him if he was serious as a) I know he loves me but I didn't think in a 'I want to be with you for the rest of my life' kind of way and b) he is such a joker. We've both been married before for context. Both marriages have had divorces finalised years ago and he's had a relationship since where they were engaged but never married as she wanted the ring but not him. She gave him the ring back when he asked.

He then said 'let's get married next year but we can't tell anyone yet though...I want to tell everyone at the end of the year'. I still can't fathom out why but I know he wants some sort of finance agreement with his ex finalised first and that appears to be the reason. There is also no ring.... he does, however, still have his ex's engagement ring in a box (v. expensive and was made to his specifications) upstairs. He has made no move to sell the ring, despite needing money at various points, and stating all of our relationship he wants to sell it asap. I've paid large bills for him during our relationship that this money would have helped towards.

He came to me a couple of weeks ago and asked me how I'd feel about a 'cheap ring'. I said fine, no problem - whatever you choose is fine by me because you've chosen it so I'll love it'. He said he wanted us to go together to a specific place (where the stone he wants is sold) to choose it together. We have a free weekend this weekend so I suggested we go to this place. At first he looked a bit 'deer in the headlights' by it, then came an hour later and said 'that's a great idea, we could choose it then go to this place and that restaurant etc'. All fine until today when he's backtracked completely and now wants to go nowhere near the place... this is after last night when we visited a local restaurant, he randomly told the waiter there 'might' be a big event next year, then corrected it to 'oh, there IS a big event' when he saw me sat there like Confused

I'm so puzzled and don't get it at all. I want the excitement of the man I love asking me to marry him and being able to share the joy with our family and friends. But it's all a big secret and no ring in sight.

What is going on? Can anyone enlighten me.....? Am I being led along?

OP posts:
MadeForThis · 14/07/2020 10:47

Don't kick yourself for not seeing the red flags. Just be glad that he is gone now. Well done for getting rid of him.

Get the ring valued, it will just reinforce to you his lies and deceit.

Try and text him now and get him to acknowledge the other debt.

He doesn't know yet that you have figured him out.

angieloumc · 14/07/2020 11:00

I'm so sorry OP, he's an abusives cocklodger; I'm so glad you are getting rid of him.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 14/07/2020 11:29

I read this last night OP and well done for processing it all so remarkably quickly. Your most recent updates about his violence towards you are worrying so please don't hesitate in changing the locks today and ensuring that you are safe - maybe by not seeing him alone and being prepared to report to the police any threats. Given that he's lived there it may also be a good idea to review your security - a ring doorbell, check window locks etc. Not meaning to frighten you but he will know any weak points in terms of accessing the property and he's shown you violence before?
I do hope that you now feel free to talk to family and friends about what has happened. There's no shame in being a good kind person and misjudging someone's intentions, (and you may find that they had spotted things but didn't want to tell you?). Flowers

OrlandoInTheWilderness · 14/07/2020 11:32

Hope your day is going okay OP.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/07/2020 11:46

I AM going to pursue regaining the money. So I need to go and get legal advice this week

I totally get this and obviously it would be great to have your money back, but frankly I wouldn't get your hopes up with a practiced conman who's not even got a job

Worst of all the chase will keep him in your head longer than necessary, so while it would be nice if he did the decent thing just this once, you might eventually have to write it off as an expensive experience and be thankful it wasn't even worse ... for example if you'd been talked into giving him half the house or poured money into his "property dreams"

skeemee · 14/07/2020 12:09

You should definitely pursue the money he owes you. Just to register the debt with small claims may put him off trying to wheedle back into your life. If he sees you’re being serious, he might back off a bit quicker.

Sunrise234 · 14/07/2020 12:20

Well done for being so strong OP!

He is a waste of space but don't feel bad for not seeing the red flags sooner. It just means you are a nice person who sees the best in people and he probably does this to every woman he meets so he is very skilled at being manipulative.

backseatcookers · 14/07/2020 12:24

Thinking of you today OP, hope you're OK Thanks

MadamBatty · 14/07/2020 12:37

I was with a horrible man like this. I tied myself in knots with him.
When I finally got rid of him, I asked him why he treated me so badly.

He said ‘because you let me’.....

bakereld · 14/07/2020 12:53

Well done for being so strong OP. Flowers Glad you got rid of the waste of space.

Mildmanneredmum · 14/07/2020 13:49

I was with one like this too. He was hateful to my children as well, which took me a long time to repair. His classic was "well, you put my name on the deeds or I'm off. It's only right". So that showed me what he valued more, our relationship and me, or - getting his hands on the house. Needless to say, it didn't happen, it took me three months to get him out and he stripped the house when he went - but I tell you, I sang and danced through that empty house and never looked back. Neither will you - you've been amazingly strong.

footprintsintheslow · 14/07/2020 14:00

@Mildmanneredmum I love that image of you singing and dancing through an empty house.
When I got shot of a complete pig he took everything, the sheets off the bed, the soap and the soap dish, everything. I couldn't care less. I was freeeeeeee

GilbertMarkham · 14/07/2020 15:08

I'm not trying to be overdramatic but this guy, especially when you updated about his temper/anger - abuse really and the avarice and we exploitation he's exhibiting throughout his relationships etc strikes me as potentially sinister.

Ie I wonder what he's be capable of in the pursuit of assets; if he got a share of a woman's or willed them and it benefitted him to have her put of the way.

It puts me in mind of the Helen Bailey murder.

GilbertMarkham · 14/07/2020 15:08

*woman's assets

GilbertMarkham · 14/07/2020 15:12

*out of the way

ferntwist · 14/07/2020 16:31

@Vodkacranberryplease Great post about pursuing the money. I’ve done it once before as well and I didn’t find it stressful either, I enjoyed it. I ended up with a flat out of it.

singswithitsfingers · 14/07/2020 17:51

Very well done OP. Stay safe and look after yourself.

Bmidreams · 14/07/2020 21:05

Hi op, how have you been today?

fuckoffImcounting · 14/07/2020 21:29

OP, well done. I am sitting here in awe and admiration of your good sense and decisiveness. He really is a cocklodging cunt. Well rid.

MondayYogurt · 14/07/2020 22:06

You've seen through his lies and taken action. Absolutely nothing to be ashamed of, and actually quite inspirational.

May all your dishes remain unbroken now and in the future.

ferntwist · 14/07/2020 23:26

Looking forward to hearing how today went OP

Sillymee · 15/07/2020 00:41

Wow well done for kicking him out, just read this tonight and honestly the first
Thought that popped into my head was ‘geoff’ from coronation street!! The finding a woman who had her own home and being all lovely at the start then quickly
Wanting to get married and calling it ‘their’ home when it was really hers etc! Slowly trying to take over half of her life, massive alarm bells. Never let him back! Maybe this is why his apparent financial situation with his ex is still going on, maybe he’s trying to fight for something that isn’t his!! I wouldn’t imagine he would have a leg to stand on, he’s lived at yours less than two years and it’s clear he wasn’t paying you regular bills etc so has no leg to stand on. Personally I would definitely get the ring valued (although it sounds like bullshit how has he paid for an expensive ring for her yet never had am regular income for two years since being with you) and if it is worth anything decent suggest you keeping it and selling it to pay for the car repairs or he can make sure he pays you £250 each month. Keep every text if he keeps sending you abuse, contact the police, restraining order etc, log everything incase you ever need it. Don’t feel silly, we can’t be mind readers and see through what everybody is truely like. All the best xx

TheClitterati · 15/07/2020 01:03

So he's getting £30k from his last "fiancé" and has set his sites on half your house. Not bad for someone unemployed and with debt. Does he have a diamond studded cock?

Please open your eyes op? He sounds like a grifter/cocklodger.

The reason you are feeling strange is because none of this adds up. Your spidery senses are telling you something isn't right - listen to them.

JustKittenAround · 15/07/2020 03:18

@TheClitterati

So he's getting £30k from his last "fiancé" and has set his sites on half your house. Not bad for someone unemployed and with debt. Does he have a diamond studded cock?

Please open your eyes op? He sounds like a grifter/cocklodger.

The reason you are feeling strange is because none of this adds up. Your spidery senses are telling you something isn't right - listen to them.

@TheClitterati Did you try reading everything before replying to a post 17 pages long?

I swear this is an epic thread because it shows just how horrible these cocklodger are, and also how apt everyone is to dump actually hurtfully worded “advice” without even reading all the replies of the OP.

To catch you up (you’re welcome) OP knew something was up. She came here and even took some really naked advice. She needs to be strong now because she broke things off... these manipulative bastards have all sorts of ways to get back... she needs more support for her good actions.

She is currently bagging his things up. She has also revealed more abusive behavior from him. All of it reeks of a cancer like man who needs to be cut off. This is not her first rodeo in love.

So READ THE THREAD ... you’re not the only one here jumping the gun, but my goodness it’s real people here try to get the full thread...

Anyway OP well done on things so far. I know it’s hard. Please be strong. You are epic for those of us who weren’t.

blisstwins · 15/07/2020 04:10

OP is a Rockstar! I am so impressed that you were brave enough to post for advice when you felt something was off. I got myself into a 16 year marriage with someone who lived a double life and then tried to steal an inheritance I got from my grandmother. He earned a lot, but paid no rent during our whole relationship. I never questioned ANYTHING because I wanted the illusion so badly. You are MUCH stronger.He has acted so poorly because you caught on and cannot be manipulated. I really admire you. Never feel ashamed or embarrassed for being a loving and generous woman. He is the one who should be ashamed.