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Marital rape?

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MandB23 · 25/06/2020 09:33

For a while I didn’t call it what it was, but deep down I know that my husband has raped/sexually assaulted me multiple times.
It started in about 2018 where he would start having sex with me in the night. He would do it after an argument. It was odd.
We would have a horrible argument, go to bed and then within an hour or so he would do it. I would generally just lie there and let it happen. I didn’t say no but usually I’m quite an active, enthusiastic participant and myself, I can’t imagine having sex with someone who is just lying there. He would then get off and just go to sleep.
After a few times, I had to speak to him to say - please can you not do that. I mentioned the word consent - as in, how can I consent if I’m asleep when it starts. He kicked off royally. I never used the word rape but he started with “how can I rape you when we’re married”. The minute he said that, I knew that I was wasting my time talking to him. But I made it clear that I don’t give consent, that I’ve become fearful of him in the night and I’m waking at every little movement and I have a feeling of dread. I wake up the next day feeling empty and numb and sad. And I wanted him to stop doing it.
I used to enjoy night time sex. But at that point we were in a bad place and I just felt taken advantage of.
Anyway, once I clearly communicated that I don’t consent to that and even if I’m not saying no - it’s because I freeze and go a bit numb when it happens. But it carried on. And then I knew it was rape. Because I had told him that I did not want that but I don’t have the confidence to say no at the time.
I got pregnant - from one of these times. Because we weren’t having any other kind of sex. the baby was still born. I had sepsis and was quite unwell. I thought he would have learnt from this but the day I got home (3 days post birth) he did it again. That’s the first time I stopped him and the last time he tried it. I was in shock - like how are you doing this now??? But I was sore and bleeding and just said “what are you doing?” The next day was a huge argument when I brought it up. Going mad again - saying “oh you’re calling me a rapist, (baby’s name) must have been a rape baby then” just horrible stuff. We were in the car and he kept driving erratically and he was just so so angry and horrible about it.
It hasn’t happened since. But I can’t get over it. I feel anger about it still. I want to talk to him about it - like ask why?? But I know I can’t talk about the subject. Just more and more I know that what he did was wrong and I’m not sure I can let it go.

I don’t know what I’m writing this for really. I’ve just got an overwhelming sense of dread for the day ahead when I’m thinking about this and how I have to pretend I’m fine.

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Carandi · 25/06/2020 10:44

The ongoing rapes are bad enough, but the fact he did it again just 3 days after you gave birth, and you lost your precious baby is completely unforgivable and just shocking. I get that it's easy for us to say leave him. I've wanted to leave my husband for years and have never managed it for one reason or another. I tell myself I will do it one day. I hope you find the strength to do what I haven't yet achieved.

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1235kbm · 25/06/2020 10:46

First OP you've been so, so brave and it's nothing to do with 'being strong' or being weak or anything else. I really doubt this happened in a vacuum and you have been in an abusive marriage all along which has escalated.

The rape is due to power and control. It happened after arguments and was his way of maintaining dominance by taking away your power. He rendered you powerless by violating you. Yes, he knew exactly what he was doing OP.

OP, you cannot stay in this relationship. You need support to get out, can you contact the local refuge again and ask for help?

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DeerHeart · 25/06/2020 10:46

It breaks my heart to read your messages. You have to put thoughts of ‘who he can be’ out of your mind. You’re romanticising him right now. You need to put that out of your head and focus on getting out.

Do you have someone in your life you can talk to? Not a stranger but someone who can really support you to leave? I know you worry about the pressure on your children, but I think your children would prefer to have a happy mum and not one who is frightened and being abused. Xx

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NoMoreDickheads · 25/06/2020 11:20

So I rang the refuge. They cemented what I thought - that it was abusive behaviour. I just cried. I told him that I had rang and that’s how I’m feeling.

I wouldn't do this OP. He's physically violent- sexual violence is physical violence, as is the grabbing etc. If you confront him like this you don't know how he might respond- well, you do actually.

Keep your head down temporarily while you plan your escape.

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NoraEphronsneck · 25/06/2020 12:38

What is your housing situation op? Do you rent or own? I'd renting can you speak to landlord to see about getting him off the tenancy.

As a starting point, next time it happens don't ring women's aid ring the police.

They will remove him from the house.

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Halestorm · 25/06/2020 12:49

You know why he does this - rape is not about sexual need but comes from a more violent place - it's the need to brutalise and dominate you. That's just cruel. When he raped you 3days PP it shows him for the true monster he is.
I think you need to go to the police. He's getting nastier and nastier and some day, raping you won't be enough to sate his need to hurt you, he could seriously harm you.

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Aknifewith16blades · 25/06/2020 12:57

OP you are in danger. Get out, get your children out and find somewhere safe to be.

DO NOT tell him that you are calling refuges etc. A woman is most likely to be killed while leaving.

Call Women's Aid and police. But you need to leave and soon. You are strong, you know this isn't right, you've got this.

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maras2 · 25/06/2020 13:02

Do you actually know that he has a doctor's appointment or did he just tell you? I find it hard to believe that these non urgent appointments are available during a pandemic.
This man is a rapist and a liar.
Please listen to the good advice given by the women here especially those who have had first hand experience.
Best wishes.

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ItsSpittingEverybodyIn · 25/06/2020 13:16

Do you know what, Dr's appointment or no Dr's appointment, there is no helping this (excuse for a) man. People like him are evil and dangerous, he won't be sorry or be fixed. You need to report him to the police and they will deal with him, you have your posting history on here to back up what you're saying. Be strong op, and good luck Flowers

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category12 · 25/06/2020 13:23

What's this GP appointment actually for?

Anger management doesn't really have a good success rate and this isn't what this is. This is rape and entitlement.

I doubt he's looking at offenders' programmes.

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GwenSaturn · 25/06/2020 13:30

I'm so sorry OP Thanks not many things shock me on here but this has. Trying to rape you (again) after you've just given birth to a stillborn baby is one of the most horrific things I've read on MN.

Please find the strength to call the police and leave. He's a dangerous and sadistic bastard. He takes advantage of you when you are at your most vulnerable. Sneakily, premeditated.

This situation will not get better. He's already ground you down so much that you can't recognise how awful this behaviour is. Don't let him take away any more of you, you deserve so much more.

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sadpapercourtesan · 25/06/2020 13:45

He doesn't need anger management. He manages his anger just fine. He's a cold, calculating, brute who will seriously harm or kill you one day if you don't leave him.

Rarely have I felt such rage, disgust and contempt for someone I've read about online. He's a monster. Sad

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Dullardmullard · 25/06/2020 14:09

You need to leave and now or at least soon. Contact WA again and ask to go into a refuge with the kids.

You need away from him to clear your head.

DO NOT TELL HIM YOUR LEAVING this is when they are their most dangerous.

You may struggle for a bit financially but it’s better that than what yOur having to put up with the now.

Even in these times women can leave their spouses because it’s abuse

Please keep posting on here too but remember to delete your history or use private browsing and always log out.

Yes this will take time but do this for the kids too.

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Chungus · 25/06/2020 14:15

Please, please put any thoughts out of your head that he could be a better person. There is no going back from what he's done. There really isn't.

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Astella22 · 25/06/2020 14:19

I’ve no words that can help Sad, just take care my love
U already know what u need to do

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boymum9 · 25/06/2020 14:36

I'm so sorry OP Thanks

My ex h did this to me a few weeks after I told him I think I wanted to separate. He denied any wrong doing, I have a history of sexual abuse as a child and how it made me feel was just awful, he still doesn't really accept that he did anything wrong, he still tries to tell me I asked for it (literally) and wanted him to do it (I was asleep and woke up, after I woke I was confused and asked him what he was doing and asked him to stop, he did, I laid there for about 30 minutes and pretended to go back to sleep and he did it again).

I struggled with (and still do) mostly with being divorced is not what I wanted for my children, and it is still the biggest daily battle for me, but within myself I am a happier person and therefore a better mother. I am in the early stages of a new relationship, only about a year, and I am constantly blown away with the normality of it, how easy it is, properly communication, love and respect that I rarely felt in 15 years with my ex h. You don't need to put up with his awful behaviour, you will be better for it, and therefore your children will be better for it. ThanksThanks

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Hailtomyteeth · 25/06/2020 14:48

Leave or make him leave.
Go to the police. Tell them about the years of rape. Press charges.
Contact every agency to get help. Local authorities have domestic violence units. Tell your GP, this affects your mental and physical health.
That numb sadness? I've had it. I've also been subjected to attempted murder.
Carefully distance yourself from your abuser. But don't do it alone. Get everyone onside.

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MandB23 · 25/06/2020 14:59

I am reading everyone’s messages. And I really appreciate it. I will reply properly later when I’m alone.

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Cherrysoup · 25/06/2020 15:25

He won’t change.

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DandyMandy · 25/06/2020 15:46

I'm so sorry for everything you've gone through. Your husband is a monster and you need to get out as soon as you can. This man is unhinged and you cannot help him. He's a disgusting rapist and you deserve so much better. Contact Rape Crisis or Women's Aid. Maybe confide in someone close to you too. Please don't tell him you're leaving. If you want to, you could involve the police. I wish you all the luck in the world❤️

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fuckoffImcounting · 25/06/2020 16:25

He is a foul rapist, he has also assaulted you, mocked you and mocked your still born child and I am willing to bet he has said and done many other disgusting things. He does not do them because he is angry - he is in control all the time and he treats you like this because he wants to - he enjoys it. You are worth so much more than this OP. Find a way out, but quietly, he may become dangerous.

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justforthecake · 25/06/2020 16:47

You can't change him
The gp can't give him a magic pill that will stop him being a rapist.
He doesn't see you as his equal - you are his plaything.

You are not in a happy loving relationship and no matter what that is not good for the children.

Children learn their behaviour from the adults around them- what are they learning from your marriage?

You deserve better
Your children deserve better

Do what you need to do op.
We'll support you from afar, but you need support from a trusted source in real life.

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MandB23 · 25/06/2020 19:16

Its very difficult because I would say 80/90 percent of the time - life is fine. We’re not happy like we used to be, but it’s okay and we get on.
It’s just this side of him. It’s like he has two personalities. I find it confusing and it makes me doubt myself. He will cry and he will apologise - but only after he’s taken it too far. Initially in any situation he tried to play the victim.
One time my daughter was on his phone and she came over to me to show me a video of a blowjob. I screamed and grabbed the phone and said “what the fuck is that”. He got angry. He took the phone and said “oh I can’t even have a phone anymore.” He ended up punching walls in front of her and storming out. This was the day before Christmas Eve.
Only at times like this - where it is very obvious who the angry party should be - I realise that he tries to manipulate me. Most of the time it’s difficult to see. And I doubt myself. He will say I’m toxic.
I am sensitive. I’m quite insecure. But I never used to be. It’s got worse over the past few years and I do blame him. I never ever shout and I am always very careful about how I approach certain things. I find I’m tip toeing around him. But no matter how careful I am - he will get angry anyway.
So I suppose I could have quite a nice life - if I never had a problem. But that’s hard when he causes a lot of problems with his behaviour.
I seem to forget about the sadness very easily. At the time, when I’m in it - all I see is how far away I need to get. But within an hour or so of things calming down - I seem to be back to wanting to work on it.
I can’t quite get to the place I need to be.
He left the other week. After throwing things around the kitchen. He was horrible. To my daughter and to me. I didn’t want him to come back but he said he wouldn’t go anywhere and was sleeping in the car. So I said he could sleep on the couch. Then he worms his way back in. It’s my fault for being so desperate for the good side all the time.
When I see it in black and white and when I hear you’re messages - I know all of this. Deep down, I do. It’s just messed up with a lot of other feelings and I’m living in this strange state of always being on edge. I don’t feel at peace. I haven’t done for a very long time and I’m so tired of it.
I feel as though I need to meet someone else to give me the push to leave. I know that’s completely wrong!

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Lockdownseperation · 25/06/2020 19:23

Abuser aren’t abusive 100% of the time that’s why people stay with them. Domestic abuse in the home of a child, even if it’s not witnessed by the child is child abuse. You need to protect your child from abuse, the only way you can do this is to leave.

Being repeatedly raised is definitely NOT a nice life.

You are a strong women who deserves better and you can do this and your life will be better if you leave him. Your daughter deserves to live in a house where she is not being abused.

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Lockdownseperation · 25/06/2020 19:24

Being repeatedly raped is NOT a nice life. repeated due to typo but this comment is worth you paying close attention to.

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