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Scared by someone entering our house today - big argument with DP

297 replies

Lickmylegs0 · 20/06/2020 17:14

I need to know I’m not going crazy. I was in garden, and came in to see a strange lady using our toilet. Baby was asleep in room next to door, and my DD was there too. DP had opened door and let lady in to use the toilet, he claims she pushed past him - but I think he should have said ‘no’ firmly.
Man on doorstep wanted to contact previous owners of our bungalow - DP was about to get all our paperwork out. I stopped him and told them to contact estate agent.
Strange lady came back later. I spoke to her through window - she wanted to know if the previous owner had died - and then said the bungalow should belong to them.
I feel very shaken up and DP has been having a go at me saying I overreacted.

OP posts:
Bookoffacts · 21/06/2020 00:41

Mumsnetters control yourselves! This is relentless.

He couldn't have done much and it seems you're not going to rest until youve wrecked their marriage, at this rate.

OP grow up, this is england, not the wild west. Your children were not in danger.

backseatcookers · 21/06/2020 00:47

But I feel the responsibility of safety and protection falls to me - and I’ve got 2 children and an obstinate man child to protect.

I do get this OP - the way some people get carers fatigue, I think people in your relationship dynamic get 'grown up' fatigue.

I certainly did with my ex - I had to think about evvvvverything for both of us which was exhausting and made me so resentful which I'm not ashamed to admit wasn't my best look! But I planned, prepared, maintained all our family and friend relationships, worked my arse off while he just had to show up (usually late regardless) and still got the 'too nice for his own good' brand. Unfairly.

I broke up with him after four years and didn't get married, have kids with him because I could feel it would end up like that. Loved him to bits, but realised while he is not a cruel person he is fundamentally selfish to allow someone to do all the heavy lifting. My friend said to me that had I married him I would spend the rest of my life pushing water uphill. She was so right and I listened.

So this probably isn't just about this one incident to OP, she's understandably sick and tired of having to do all the sensible thinking and also being the 'bad guy' whenever one is required.

2bazookas · 21/06/2020 01:09

I'd inform your local police what happened. The distraction is a scammers/thieves ploy and you may not be the only victims. The woman may have been looking to see what valuables and security you have (for later break-in ) so be careful to keep your doors locked when out in the garden etc. Make sure she didn't swipe any keys from the hall table or bedroom.

Dougalthesyrianhamster · 21/06/2020 01:11

Wow

SailingAwayIntoSunrise · 21/06/2020 01:27

@Bookoffacts

Mumsnetters control yourselves! This is relentless.

He couldn't have done much and it seems you're not going to rest until youve wrecked their marriage, at this rate.

OP grow up, this is england, not the wild west. Your children were not in danger.

What a ridiculous post Hmm

How the fuck do you know her DC weren't in danger?

Are you saying a grown up couldn't stop a stranger from entering their property while standing at the door?

Think it's you who needs to grow up and cop on to yourself.

ClarkGriswoldsChristmastree19 · 21/06/2020 01:41

@thedancingbear

FFS, what was he meant to do, forcibly shove her out of the house?

If he'd've laid a finger on her he could've been looking at potential assault charges. The onus would've been all on him to prove he'd acted reasonably. And the OP would be on here pissing and moaning that he may have jeopardised his job.

"FFS, what was he meant to do, forcibly shove her out of the house?"

Eh... yeah!!

Happynow001 · 21/06/2020 05:46

Man on doorstep wanted to contact previous owners of our bungalow - DP was about to get all our paperwork out.
What on Earth??! Is your DP generally like this or did he temporarily lose his capacity for rational thought? Bad enough he left some strange woman in to use your toilet (and in CV19 lockdown at that!!) but really?

Put a chain on the door and use it until this situation has resolved itself. I can understand that your DH doesn't want to be shoving a woman but if he uses a chain he won't have to.
This is a good idea (and persuade him to use it) and also I'd second reporting the incident to 101. I'd also check that your garden access, back door and particularly ground floor windows are secure. They sound the type of people ("they looked unhinged") who will try again.

Strange lady came back later. I spoke to her through window - she wanted to know if the previous owner had died - and then said the bungalow should belong to them.
And there you are...

feel very, very vulnerable about how easily it happened - and DP has continued to be an idiot this afternoon.
You are right to feel vulnerable and your DP is digging his heels in because he knows, but won't apologise or admit, that he behaved like an idiot and potentially put his family at risk.

It sounds, from your later posts, that you are having to be the responsible adult in this relationship, with your DP resenting your actions to keep your family safe physically and financially (thinking back to the episode with the builders also).

I'm glad you've reported it to the police. Stay safe @Lickmylegs0 🌹

AgentJohnson · 21/06/2020 06:27

Op rant away but this is who he is, hand wringing isn’t going to change him.

Man babies aren’t created, they are enabled into existence.

Bluntness100 · 21/06/2020 06:39

Suspect your husband was taken by surprise by the whole thing.

It’s very easy to say I’d have done this or that, when you’re not the one dealing with it.

And it sounds like they were what they said they were, have just realised the house was sold and were checking. That’s why she went it. Batshit but there you go.

The thing is all this they could have done x y or z. They didn’t, and no harm was done.

Lickmylegs0 · 21/06/2020 06:40

Really grateful for all your comments - I was unsure about whether or not to report to police. I’m glad I did, and the lady I spoke to gave me full reassurance that it was the right thing to do.

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chatterbugmegastar · 21/06/2020 06:40

Do you think I should report to police?

Yes most definitely - and ask the police officer to explain to your partner that allowing strangers into the home isn't a good plan

Casino218 · 21/06/2020 06:44

Your husband sounds like he needs to wise up! He sounds quite naive.

Lickmylegs0 · 21/06/2020 06:46

@Bluntness100 he was, and I am feeling more sympathetic this morning. But when I walked in to see stranger in toilet (during Covid!!), DP heading into bedroom to get paperwork, strange man at door - all my alarm bells went off. I had to intervene, tell DP not to look - and tell people on doorstep to go to estate agent.

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AlternativePerspective · 21/06/2020 07:24

"Really confused at the posters who think a man should be shoving round a woman who may have dementia." why is it that every time someone does something completely unreasonable such as, oh, I don’t know, force entry into someone’s house, there is always one who insists that they either are mentally ill or have dementia. Presumably even if that were possible the individual would have come alone.

As for OP’s DP, I do think it’s possible he was caught unawares, having let the woman in he was standing at the door speaking to the man, and while many of us might have been suspicious, the man’s attitude may have put him at ease after the woman’s unreasonable behaviour and the fact that she really did then rush to the loo when she came in.

I do think it’s still possible it could have been a distraction burglary, but we are all capable of falling fowl of a scam, we just have differing thresholds, which is why there are so many different, and successful scams.

And his insistence that he did nothing wrong is quite possibly because he doesn’t want to admit to himself as much as anything, how stupid he really was.

I am about as intolerant as they get, and usually answer the door to strangers with a “what do you want!” Grin but a few years ago I answered the door to someone who started rabbiting on about something which tbh I can’t remember what it was. I had shut the dogs away when I opened the door (mine, and a friend’s dog I was looking after who is a huge GSD-cross,) and I could hear them both barking non stop in the lounge which is on the back of the house. It was only when I shut the door that it occurred to me that it could have been a distraction burglary where the bloke at the front was keeping me occupied while someone went round the back.

I’ll never know whether it was. But if it was meant to be that, I think the sight of two dogs, one of which was a GSD cross so probably has the capacity to look quite vicious and certainly sounded it, was a pretty fair reassurance that they wouldn’t be back. Grin.

Bluntness100 · 21/06/2020 07:42

I doubt it was a distraction burglary they didn’t nick anything and the op is also thinking it was a family dispute.

Honestly sometimes the unexpected takes us by surprise, and many men wouldn’t have been sure what to do about a woman barging pas them suddenly to use the loo. It’s very easy in hind sight to handle it perfectly.

We had a lady In her sixties turn up at the door once, my husband answered, she asked him if the car parked outside was her sons. My husband was confused and said no it’s mine, and she said, great can you drive me home then. Obviously he said no, but for a moment the two of us were a bit stunned and taken off guard By it. You kind of pause for a moment as your head adjusts to it.

I can see how a decent person would be totally thrown by two people fronting up on the doorstep and saying what these two were, so you try to help, and then barging in to use the loo, taking you by surprise before you can stop it.

We all like to think oh I’d do this or that, in reality when you’re faced with the unexpected and are naturally polite you might not behave as you’d like to think you would.

Lickmylegs0 · 21/06/2020 07:48

@AlternativePerspective thanks for that. I do think it’s taught us to look before opening door. Frightening how easily someone could gain entry to our house. I’m going to speak to anyone I don’t know through wIndow now, and DP will do same. We live in a street of bungalows, quite a lot of elderly residents - and there have been lots of tradespeople knocking - do wonder if our street could be a bit of a target.

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thedancingbear · 21/06/2020 07:53

It's apparent from this thread that men are expected to use just the right amount of force against women, depending on the circumstances, of course.

Thanks for clarifying, everyone.

Lickmylegs0 · 21/06/2020 07:53

@Bluntness100 yes I am seeing it more like this now. DP is nice, polite and helpful to others. He said last night that he felt sorry for the guy and wanted to help him. But they gained his trust so easily - and to start sifting through all our paperwork was completely bonkers thing to do. I’ll be nice today, stop banging on about it - it’s Father’s Day!

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Lickmylegs0 · 21/06/2020 07:56

DP would never use any force. Ever. But a firm ‘no - its Covid - we don’t know you and we have young children’ would have been a great response.

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thedancingbear · 21/06/2020 08:02

DP would never use any force. Ever. But a firm ‘no - its Covid - we don’t know you and we have young children’ would have been a great response.

But if that person then tries to enter the house anyway - as in the OP - by definition you need to use physical force/violence to stop them.

And before you say it doesn't count as violence, try telling that to a woman whose partner is physically stopping them from leaving the house.

Andwoooshtheyweregone · 21/06/2020 08:12

@NotaCoolMum primark is open we are hardly in lockdown anymore.

@Lickmylegs0 YANBU it’s up to you who you invite it to your house but me and DH would probably have laughed it off as a strange experience rather than be afraid.

Lickmylegs0 · 21/06/2020 08:17

No - I wouldn’t use physical force. I’d have called police, got children to a safe place. Think violence only escalates a situation. Restraint is acceptable - I would use that to prevent me/another person getting hurt.

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CountessFrog · 21/06/2020 08:22

What a strange story!

A couple who live round the corner from us knocked on our door after we’d had an extension built, wanting to come inside to look. I was cooking at the time, and the kids were both primary age. I also had one of the school mums in the house.

I explained the situation and asked them to come back later, and they were really put out by this. They turned up an hour later as we were eating and got quite shirty with me when I wouldn’t let them in that minute.

They made me feel really guilty that I wouldn’t just let them in at their convenience. I did let them in a few days later, and found them armed with the architect plans for my house, Which they’d downloaded from the council website. Most odd, and completely oblivious to their behaviour.

I’ve had two loose acquaintances do practically the same, one school mum that I didn’t know well wanted to bring her sister in law to look inside my house!

NotaCoolMum · 21/06/2020 08:23

@Andwoooshtheyweregone- Primark is not a residence is it? Confused. Really doubt these strangers are part of OPs “bubble”. Nice try though.

Lickmylegs0 · 21/06/2020 08:23

Nope - no laughing off from me! Their appearance, manner, her intent to enter our property, baby asleep, showing paperwork, asking how much we paid for property and statement that they should have inherited the property - did not strike me as a joke...

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