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He needs to “win”. Is this gaslighting or just being a d*ck?

365 replies

Melandri · 17/06/2020 21:35

Has anyone dealt with a really argumentative partner who doesn’t see themselves that way?

My partner picks at anything until he finds a disagreement or a reason to fall out.

Recently he told me he doesn’t like the way I need to go for a walk when I’m frustrated or upset, especially if it’s fairly late, and would I mind not doing it because he worries.

I said fair enough but I do like a bit of space to clear my head but I won’t go out at night if he’ll worry (it doesn’t happen often btw, maybe twice in the last few months.)

I thought that was the end of the conversation but no.

He then said “if you did still want to go for a walk, would you tell me?” To which I replied “of course, I’m always honest with you and there’d be no reason not to tell you”

He then said:
“Are you calling me a bullshitter?”

I was so surprised at the direction that this took but said “no, of course not”.

He’s now saying that because I said I’m honest, I’ve indirectly said that he’s not.
It’s been over 24 hours now and he’s still really worked up over it even though I’ve told him I dong feel that way and don’t think that and definitely didn’t imply it or didn’t mean to.

Anyway, after lots of shouting and arguing from him, and me staying calm and telling him that I don’t think he’s a bullshitter he’s summed it up saying that the issue is that I don’t understand.

I said “I do” and he replied saying “no you don’t”.

I’ve asked him what I can do to help us move on and he said his lost where he is with everything but he won’t back down because that will mean I’ve won. I don’t see it as winning or losing I just think there’s been a bit of confusion and rather than letting it go he’s clinging to it.

I don’t know why he’s like this. Can anyone help?

[Note from MNHQ - 22/11/2020: please note there is a recent update from the OP].

OP posts:
ThousandsAreSailing · 19/06/2020 08:00

Good luck today op. Remember all this is of his making, all you wanted to do was go for a walk and he created all this ridiculous drama

SnowdropFox · 19/06/2020 08:45

Good luck op. Hope everything goes to plan.

BendyLikeBeckham · 19/06/2020 09:00

agree with everything @vikingwife said. Spot on.

Good luck today OP. And if you have a wobble, which you will, come back here for more support

Dhalandchips · 19/06/2020 09:11

Hopefully you have someone to help you to collect your stuff. Stay strong.

Zaphodsotherhead · 19/06/2020 09:24

If you were my daughter, I would be very very proud of you.

You've truly got him sussed, when he thought that, if he used enough words, you wouldn't be able to see his true meaning.

Stay safe.

Star81 · 19/06/2020 10:10

Please make sure someone knows where / when your going and maybe even goes with you ?

Melandri · 19/06/2020 10:38

Morning everyone, just getting ready to go over there and feeling a bit wobbly.

I’m having to go on my own, my friend who was supposed to be coming has had a childcare issue this morning but knows where I am. Everyone else is working. He’s at work though so I’ll be ok just getting in and getting out.

He text me this morning saying:

Morning, I feel bad that I haven’t spoken to you yet but I don’t know what to say. I want us to reconnect tonight. I still love you its just that this hasn't been the most pleasant ride and I've had half a feeling you want to just walk away anyway. I'll let you know when I’m back from work and see you tonight Xxxx

I haven’t replied.

Ugh it’s shit isn’t it. Why did we need pretty much a week of head-fuckery? It was so unnecessary but I know that’s who he is and I will stay strong. Reading your messages makes me feel so positive about the future and like I’m ready to take on the world.
It’s the quiet moments when you start to wonder “what if he changes...” “he’s so loving” I know these thoughts are going to pop in my head and I just need to shut them down.

I’ll let you all know when I’m back, oh and I’ll definitely be blaring out some Destiny’s Child on the drive home!

OP posts:
TorkTorkBam · 19/06/2020 10:50

Clearly you are supposed to fall over yourself to reassure him he is not dumped.

Batqueen · 19/06/2020 10:51

Good luck OP!

NoMoreDickheads · 19/06/2020 10:53

You're doing great OP.

“he’s so loving"

But you know that's bollox, he's just spent days randomly having a go at you. Keep reminding yourself of that if those thoughts come into your head. xxx

He won't change as he doesn't see that he's the problem. If he went for counselling as a tactic in order to try and convince you to stay, he'd soon be back to his old ways.

Melandri · 19/06/2020 10:56

You’re exactly right and I also need to remind myself that I’m posting on here about a guy after 8 months! That really shouldn’t be happening but thank goodness you are all here Flowers

OP posts:
fizzandchips · 19/06/2020 10:57

It is not your job to change him. He will not change. You, however, will adapt to please him (not going for your head clearing walks is only one example) until you no longer recognise yourself. You are doing the right thing. You are young and have your whole life ahead of you. Please don’t feel you have failed because you were unable to help him. It is not your job.
I hope you make yourself a drink tonight in your beautiful glasses and toast yourself for your strength and bravery at getting away from him. The reason so many of us on here are willing you not to make the mistakes we did, is because we know there is a much happier, peaceful life out there waiting for you to discover it. You haven’t wasted 8mths you have learned some of the most valuable lessons you’ll ever need and you did that in the record time of 8 mths! Well done. Deep breaths, one step in front of the other, especially when you’re on a head clearing walk that you are free to do whenever you want and whenever you chose. Well done.

TwentyViginti · 19/06/2020 11:09

Can't wait for your next update when you have your stuff and are free!

You are right. You shouldn't have to be posting on here after only 8 months of a relationship. Shows how very wrong it is for you.

BurtsBeesKnees · 19/06/2020 11:29

Good luck op. Come back on here once you've got your stuff and use this thread to chat to for the afternoon / evening if you need geeing up.

As you said, remember this is 8 months in whilst he's in the honeymoon period / best behaviour, if he's like this now he'll be a whole lot worse in 8 years

FizzyGreenWater · 19/06/2020 11:50

8 months, exactly.

No, he won't change and be loving.

You are seeing who he is.

An unpleasant, immature, gaslighting, aggressive headfuck.

Good luck and hope you're home soon with your stuff!

vikingwife · 19/06/2020 11:55

Hey it is huge fallacy that when leaving a toxic relationship you will instantly feels great

Please allow yourself some compassion & the permission to not feel ok for awhile. this is a person who was not who they painted themselves to be & showing warning signs of what the relationship arguing style would be the further committed (ie stuck) in the relationship you got.

Your heart needs some TIME to catch up to what your brain knows is the right course of action & you stop missing the person you thought they were (and indeed could be !) & feeling in love with this “version” as you genuinely had feelings & care for this person.

This bloke kept up this sustained irrational argument over the minutiae of your phrasing with a word - this will only get worse with time, such nitpicking, reading nonsense into your words, accusations of intent & then badgering you into apologising when you disagree with them.

They could be all sunshine and roses when it’s all going well - it is how people resolve disagreement that will show if this is a good relationship.

I have no doubt you are doing the right things for you long term. But please give your heart the space & compassion to get over this disappointment.

Once you have experienced a toxic personality type you start to see how easy it is to get sucked into an abusive relationship. Had you moved in with him & he knew you were not able to just cut him off he would not be trying to pretend all is well now.

He is vying for a message from you to smooth his fears you’re not leaving & pretending he has not behaved so poorly over the last several days. His intention is for this to all blow over.

He will say you have overreacted & also alternate being taking false responsibility - it is all noise, they will literally do or say whatever approach to get you not to break up with them.

Please write back to know you left without him returning home or confrontation. Sounds like you know his work pattern & safe enough, but you never know...

vikingwife · 19/06/2020 12:00

*Soothe not “smooth his feelings”

In time can analyse any other potential warning signs or red flags. During 8 months there may have been some... he certainly seemed to think it was OK to pull this shit now, so at least I love you’s or something there to make his mask slip now.... They usually sense when it’s OK to behave this way & it takes someone who had very strong boundaries or who has experienced a toxic relationship before who has the strength to “nope” out of their at the 1st sign of their ugly irrationality.

TorkTorkBam · 19/06/2020 12:03

His last text is shit.

Morning, I feel bad that I haven’t spoken to you yet but I don’t know what to say. I want us to reconnect tonight. I still love you its just that this hasn't been the most pleasant ride and I've had half a feeling you want to just walk away anyway. I'll let you know when I’m back from work and see you tonight Xxxx

He doesn't know what to say? He's not sorry. He has not reflected. Telling you off has not worked so he is stumped.

I want us to reconnect tonight. He wants, what you want is irrelevant. He did not write "Do you want to try to reconnect tonight?"

I still love you - the word "still" means "despite your bad behaviour"

its just that this hasn't been the most pleasant ride - now he is more specific about the bad behaviour. See this could be read as he is sorry for his behaviour but he isn't actually saying that at all. He is blaming you for making him be awful to you I think.

I've had half a feeling you want to just walk away anyway oh "anyway" wtf. He wants you so you leaving is "anyway". He isn't reflecting on him having driven you away this week. Nope. The word "anyway" would not be appropriate if he recognised that he has been awful and you have not.

I'll let you know when I’m back from work and see you tonight jump to my tune, jump to my schedule. I want to reconnect tonight so that's what's happening. I will tell you when to report to me.

Not a single fricking statement about your needs. Not a single question about what you want.

That's his idea of a conciliatory message? Fuck off dickhead.

hellsbellsmelons · 19/06/2020 12:11

Well broken down there by the PP.
Stay strong OP.
That message is still all about HIM.
He's not asked at all how YOU are or what YOU want!
It's all about what he wants.
Please do google - covert narcissist.
I think you'll find him there!
Good luck today.
You've got this!

Catmaiden · 19/06/2020 12:24

Good luck!

Honeyroar · 19/06/2020 12:25

Yes, not a single “how are you” or “I hope you’re ok” in that message, it’s just me, me me..

Hope you have collected your things safely. You know that you’re going to get more “I can’t believe you’ve done this” type messages when he realises!

AnnaNimmity · 19/06/2020 12:36

He sounds worse with each text OP. Like an utter narcissist. It's all about him.

I agree, the fact he's messed with your head so much, and you feel like this after just 8 months, isn't normal. I went out with someone who did the same. He made me doubt my sanity at times.

Melandri · 19/06/2020 12:40

Done it.

I’ve got my stuff, back home safe and sound and now guess what I’m going to do...

Go for a walk! I’ve got my walking boots on, I’m gonna go up a big hill to clear my head and I’ll catch up on all of this when I’m back.

I had a wobble when I was there and must admit I had a little cry (picture the iconic Emma Thompson scene from Love Actually) but I reread your messages, brushed myself down and got the hell out of there.

Thank you xx

He needs to “win”. Is this gaslighting or just being a d*ck?
OP posts:
Lunde · 19/06/2020 12:47

Well done!

TwentyViginti · 19/06/2020 12:50

Excellent! phew! well done!

Aww that ET scene is heartbreaking. Remember you're mourning what you THOUGHT you had, not what you actually had. Like ET's character in LA I suppose - but you're not tied to him via marriage and DC.

Also you got out before you moved in with him. Again, phew!