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Found out fiancé has been cheating on me with prostitutes through most of our relationship. Absolutely devastated!

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Bluebell0724 · 02/06/2020 12:56

I thought my relationship was solid F(29) M(31). We had a healthy and incredibly happy relationship. We rarely argued and when we did we would be able to communicate effectively in order to get past it.

We were best friends we would frequently stay up talking into the small hours on a Friday night because we loved each other’s company so much.

My fiancé was the most loving dedicated men id ever met. Told me I was beautiful and he loved me 20x a day. Always tactile and hugging me. We were supposed to be getting married (if cornona would allow) in August.

The only issue was the sex which I tried to fix continuously. We had a good sex life at the beginning it was very passionate and the most exciting I’d experienced initially but it kept decreasing. It went down to once every 2 weeks. (I have a very high sex drive so this wasn’t good)

I always tried to engage in communication about our sex life. It was such a shame how much it had decreased. I have always been a bit of a sexually submissive and had wanted to tell him.

But my attempted communication about sex was always shut down. I was fobbed off and told that he had a low drive and wasn’t that into sex.

I was told that he was faking it at the beginning to please me but that he couldn’t keep it up. I felt like he thought I was an over-sexed pervert.

When I tried to initiate sex I was turned down. When we did have sex he would loose his erection. I bought his excuse hook line and sinker.

A few days ago I was on his phone searching for an email from the company who are providing the decorations for our wedding and I came across an email from the website adult work.

When I opened it up it said ‘this email is not spam you have received it because you have an active account on adult work.com’. I googled it and it was a prostitution website. My heart stopped. My world collapsed at that moment.

I tried to sign in and got his password resent to the email so I could. When I logged in I went into his bookings and saw that he had booked prostitutes.

My fiancé was having a nap so I woke him up and asked him to come into the living room. I showed him what I had found. His face said it all!

He admitted to paying for sex around every two months. He said it had started about 7 months into our relationship and the last time was February this year! I threw him out immediately. The hurt, pain and shock was too much to bare.

Since then and me calming down somewhat he has come round to speak to me about it and answer all of my questions (I have many!). I would say we’ve spoken for at least 40 hours combined.

He said after he’d fallen in love with me he couldn’t see me sexually. He said it was like a switch had turned off and I entered into the not sexual category alongside his mum and sisters.

He said he has been introduced to prostitutes about the age of 19 by older men he new who would take him to brothels after nights out. He said initially he felt uncomfortable but they normalised it to him. He then started paying for sex on his own and had done this all through his 20s (he’s 31 now).

He claimed to only have paid for sex while with me because he wanted to have sex with me but couldn’t. I thought ‘what a load of shit’ but when I logged into adult work and looked at the women. They all looked like me. One frighteningly so much she could be me!

Why would he pay for sex with someone who looks like me rather than actually having sex with me? My confusion grew.

He said he couldn’t. His body and mind wouldn’t allow him to. He said I was his princess and he couldn’t think of me sexually in his mind.

I asked him what he liked sexually. He admitted to liking a power dynamic. Ironically the same power dynamic I like but had always felt I wasn’t allowed to bring up.

He said the power dynamic made him feel like he was abusing me or degrading me and that I was his angel that he couldn’t do that to me. He told me he had put me on a pedestal and that he wouldn’t even allow himself to think of me that way.

I have always been uncomfortable with prostitution (my own personal belief) but I feel there is a lot of exploitation. The idea of him doing degrading things to women he paid made me feel sick and made him seem like a monster.

I told him this he cried and said he was a monster and that the only reason he could do it was because he’d dehumanised the women.

He told me the act of buying sex he had compartmentalised. As if it wasn’t real. He told me he almost saw it as a virtual reality world. But that deep down he understood the severity of his actions as the guilt was heavy. (But as I pointed out not enough guilt to confess or stop.)

Since we spoke about sex and what he liked and what I liked (we probably spoke for 4 hours). He said the blocker has been removed and he’s desperate for sex with me but is obviously respectful and hasn’t pressured. After the conversation his body did seem to be working again. I saw he had an erection and that is something he hadn’t been able to get with me for some time.

The day I found out he phoned all his friends and family and told them what he’d done. One of his sisters has disowned him. He rang our church and told them what he’d done and asked them to help me as I was distraught.

He was also inconsolable so one of the pastors ended up staying on the phone to him for about an hour. The church then contacted me and offered their support.

He has started therapy. And he phones me up or comes round to visit to tell me what was discussed and what insight it has given him into his actions.

He apologises continuously. He has assured me it was nothing to do with me and that I am perfect (to which I always reply no one is perfect’). But human nature is to feel inadequate now which is what I do feel.

I feel like him paying for it over me shows how undesirable I was. But then he keeps reminding me of the women he choose and how they resembled me.

He says I couldn’t have done anymore and that it’s nothing to do with me and that it was his own emotional issues and his own choice to be unfaithful.

He cries and says he will never forgive himself for the betrayal but also for exploiting the women he paid for. He has said that he will support me whatever I want. That he wants to try again and stay together but that he understands the severity of what he’s done and understands that I may never want him back.

It’s all very overwhelming and I am going through such a roller coaster of emotion I don’t know what I want and am not going to rush my decision.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the infidelity? What they would do? Or what they got from what I’ve written?

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Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 23:30

@Candyfloss99 he convinced me before I found out that it wasn’t that he didn’t see me sexually but that he wasn’t that into sex and I believed it. I genuinely thought he had a low testosterone issue as I’d researched it and the cases I’d read about fitted his behaviour exactly. So I thought we could overcome it. If I’d have known the truth I would have definitely not wanted to go ahead and marry

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GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 23:30

All this is rather by the by now, I know - but it's more confirmation that you should gtf away from him (and make sure you do it safely).

You come across as an intelligent a d lovely person op. This is a shocking, horrible experience but very sadly you're not alone and you will get over it.

As I said re. meeting a partner when the time is right, don't worry about it. Don't have a scarcity mentality or a pessimistic one.

My 95 yr old widowed granny had an admirer/boyfriend until recently when he sadly passed away .... There's always someone.

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 23:42

@gilbertmarkham Yes you’ve got it exactly what I like sexually is a bit of mild domination and yes you’re completely right what he meant by domination and what I meant were not the same thing. All the things he enjoys you have got completely right and none of them I’d enjoy. The thought of deep throat frightens the hell out of me it just seems so horrible.

Yes so you’ve hit the nail on the head I want a bit of sexy power play mild stuff but he actually gets off on humiliation. I don’t want to be humiliated. I want to feel desired and sexy not humiliated. One thing he did say during our conversation is he would like to tie me up and leave me there and go and watch the boxing. Which I thought was odd. In my head being tied up is linked to sexual pleasure and being pleasured while being tied up not just left there! Don’t get it

The conversation was more along the lines of what he lost and could have had if he communicated with me rather than cheating on me rather than what I would want to do in the future. He started saying he enjoyed a power dynamic and I said I liked the same thing (not yet being let into exactly what power dynamic he liked).

From what he said (obviously I can’t believe any of it) but he said he’d always done the same thing with prostitutes. In the same order and that it hadn’t changed so he would claim it hasn’t escalated but who knows?

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Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 23:43

@GilbertMarkham thank you for the hope. There is always that fear

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Legallybleachblonde · 03/06/2020 23:45

These things are always easier to see when you're on the outside looking in, so I do sympathise with what you're going through. But remember your attachment is to a person you thought you knew, not the person you have found him out to be. He sounds completely messed up, frightening so I would rip that plaster right off, take the pain and get out of there. I have not been through what you have but I too met someone who at a young age (electrical apprentice) was taken to strip clubs and brothels by older work colleagues and it definitely had a deep effect on his thoughts about sex and women. They were there to be fucked and used and not to make love with - he never wanted sex with me even though I had a high sex drive at the time; it was like I disgusted him for wanting it. Get out now before it messes your head up (like it did mine)

B1rdbra1n · 03/06/2020 23:48

The more I hear the more sinister and disturbed he seems, I also feel as if he's got you under his spell a bit, please try and break away.

OoohTheStatsDontLie · 03/06/2020 23:49

I'd also be worried about how he is going to react when he realises it's over. Everything he is saying is a lie. You can't break a lifelong complex, warped views of women, and habitual prostitution use with an over the top confession and a couple of therapy sessions. You can't switch how you see someone or act in a long term relationship overnight. It's all complete bullshit. And it sounds like it is working as you have been engaging with him. I think the 'slut' comment is very revealing. I don't like the term in any context but in the context of a woman enjoying sex (in whatever style) with her fiance is ludicrous and shows he still thinks that women enjoying sex are 'less' and deserve to be humiliated. Now he is 'seeing you differently' and has lumped you in with the 'whores' he was happy to abuse, I would seriously be concerned about your safety if he realises you are not going to do what he wants.

Can you imagine if youd had children with this man? How he would have treated a son and a daughter differently, putting his 'princess' on a pedestal and never allowing her to be 'ruined' by a boyfriend?

Legallybleachblonde · 03/06/2020 23:51

@gilbertmarkham talks sense

quicknameymcnamechange · 03/06/2020 23:51

This is a huge loss for you @Bluebell0724 you're mourning the loss of the man you thought he was. Give yourself time but pls don't go back

GilbertMarkham · 04/06/2020 00:00

Yep, domination and degradation are two totally different things. In my experience a lot of women enjoy a bit of domination sexually, but very very few enjoy degradation (or humiliation).

His sexual preferences are extreme and not compatible with the vast majority of women. That's a reason a relationship with him would never work, even if he hadn't done what he's done.

People who are wired to enjoy and get off on degrading others are sick to me, wired wrong. It's hard to imagine it ever changing

Porn is not helping this because some men are too stupid and delusional to realise that porn actresses are paid to do eg deep throat or anal or whatever and pretend they enjoy it.

I feel sorry for the prostitutes who accept his bookings.

You've been unlucky in encountering this guy but you've found this out before you had any irreversible ties which is lucky, you've also found MN at the right time.

It's unusual for every post on here to agree, most threads have at least five arguments going quite quickly ... The ones that are homogenous and unified are the awful ones; which goes to show how bad this is, if you ever had any doubt from.his attempted brain washing.

(There has been one solitary exception, who sounds crazy in the coconut, and whose post about all.rve tings he could have done that would be worse in their eyes actually made me laugh my ass off .. until they mentioned "torturing kittens", at which point I thought "yeah he doesn't torture kittens, just prostitutes"(.

Sugarpea123 · 04/06/2020 00:11

You are desperate for the man you thought he was. So desperate that you are convincing yourself this can work, that he's still that person 'underneath'. He is not. You need to get yourself therapy. And keep this man out.of your life. He is dangerous and will ruin the rest of your life.

RedToothBrush · 04/06/2020 00:19

It's all about him.

He doesn't accept you saying you are unhappy.

If you say no you don't want the relationship to continue he will not accept it. He will not take no for an answer and be respectful of understanding he's blown it. Indeed he's already done this.

He's now framing his mistakes as your responsibility to fix. He needs you to forgive him. He's not sorry for what he's done, he's only sorry you won't let him escape feeling guilty about it which forgiving him legitimises. You should never forgive him. He's not taking responsibility himself.

You havent said when you last talked to him. It sounds like you have during the course of this thread, and every time you do you come back doubting your feelings about ditching him. He's fucking with your head. He's making you doubt everything everyone here has said because he has power over you. You need to break that and not allow him that. That means no contact now.

You need to tell him you need a break from him. No contact at all. Just to get your head straight. If he can't / won't respect you telling him that he's showing how he doesn't respect how you feeling.

Once you get some distance from him, and surround yourself with other people telling you what a lucky escape you've had, the less chance you will get back with him.

You saying no to him is a fair thing to do. You owe him nothing. You aren't just making a decision to walk away for you either. It's about everyone else in your life who will have to deal with what he does to you: your family and friends and any future children you might wish to have.

Any man who won't let you say no to anything (whether it be sex or to say I need space away from you or allow you to have your own opinion) isn't worth it.

Walk away now. Everytime he wants something refuse. Ideally block otherwise friend / family block by saying you will not contact him directly or alone.

DameFanny · 04/06/2020 00:26

I'm so glad you're seeing the danger now Bluebell0724 - just one more word of caution. You're so clearly intelligent and empathetic, and looking to solve other people's problems for them. Please for the love of everything that is good and decent do not be tempted to help your ex with his problems. They are not your problems. If he says 'but we've been together X years you owe me this' remember that that's how many years he was pretending to be someone else, while viciously abusing sex workers.

You can't fix him, you shouldn't try. Please turn all your intelligence and empathy directly onto yourself, you need it, and you do deserve it.

wildone84 · 04/06/2020 00:56

@quicknameymcnamechange - there are so many people out there (men and women) who believe the happy hooker narrative and like to believe that selling sex can be a fun, empowering and sexy thing to do. Thank you very much for countering those narratives here and sharing your experiences.

Bunnymumy · 04/06/2020 01:05

Fs tie you up and leave you there?!
He's sounds a bawhair away from becoming a serial killer.

Seriously op, I agree with those who have said he is dangerous. You can be a psychopath and not kill people. He really sounds like he fits the description.

wildone84 · 04/06/2020 01:06

@Bluebell0724

Thank you all very much for taking the time to advise me it’s very humbling. I now know what to do. After sorting out the flat and finances I will walk away for good! I just needed to hear the truth to kick me up the backside and wake up and look after myself. Thanks again 💖
Well done Bluebell. You're saving yourself years of heartache with this decision.

You've been through a horrible ordeal and it isn't going to be easy but you sound like you've got your head screwed on right, and you're going to be OK. You also sound smart and lovely and you will meet someone else who is much more worthy of you.

I am disturbed by this man and the things you have related. It is not normal to want to tie your partner up and then leave them. It sounds like he has a sadistic streak - no wonder he has not wanted to bring his sexuality to you - he knows that none of this is acceptable to a normal woman and that is why he pays someone to inflict this on them. I feel sorry for any women he gets involved with in the future.

I agree that it is best to distance yourself from him as much as possible now and that it is a good idea to get your parents to help out so you can minimise communication. Do not be alone with him. Make sure he does not know where you will live. If you haven't already, tell someone you know in IRL about his sexual weirdness, so that someone knows who he is and what he has been up to.

This must have been horrible and a dreadful shock for you, I wonder if you might need some counselling to help you to move on.

I wish you well and please stay strong xx

1300cakes · 04/06/2020 02:11

You poor thing OP, what a shock. I can't add anything except to say that as bad as this seems, if you leave now, in a few short years you could be on your honeymoon with a wonderful new man, or cradling your first child, and all this will be like a bad dream.

Stop talking to him about it as knowing he has humilitated you is just turning him on. He isn't regretful at all, he is enjoying himself.

MsDogLady · 04/06/2020 02:56

He says it will never come back now he knows he would be able to do what he wants to me sexually.

...he would like to tie me up and leave me there and go and watch the boxing.

This sadist is into humiliation, degradation, and the infliction of fear, helplessness and discomfort.

He initially humiliated and rejected you (emotional abuse) while purchasing and degrading sex workers. Now he is licking his chops at the thought of having free rein to demean and depower you. (His new gaze is likely the same he gives his prostitutes.) His idea of foreplay is to tie you up and leave you.

You will never have an equal dynamic, sexually or otherwise, with this dangerous misogynistic abuser. His dysfunction is deeply imbedded and he will not change.

Bluebell, he is a practiced liar who has an agenda. He is still manipulating you. Please, please disengage and cut contact ASAP.

copperoliver · 04/06/2020 04:02

Get rid of him now he's a weirdo you will probably see a mugshot of him in the paper in a few years. He's very very odd. X

MsTSwift · 04/06/2020 06:56

My block about not marrying my ex in my late twenties was the worry of not meeting anyone else. Looking back it was pathetic and mad. You will meet someone else much better.

What pushed me on was the wish for children of my own and the core of me knew my ex was not good enough to father my children. Yours isn’t either. If you stay your family will be a sick one or you will not be able to bring yourself to have his children. My wish for a family gave me the strength to leave.

Chubbykneesstubbytoes · 04/06/2020 07:50

I'm so sorry you're in this situation.

I wouldn't be able to stay with someone that not only knowingly and repeatedly indulged in risky behaviour but also made the decision alone to expose you to harm. This would be something I couldn't move beyond

QuentinWinters · 04/06/2020 07:50

He has never shown any signs of violence or controlling behaviour towards me

He has, he was controlling about sex and made you feel ashamed.

I bet if you look into it more, you will realise that there were lots of times he used guilt, shame or manipulation of you to get what he wanted at your expense.

What he's saying about prostitutes is so similar to what my ex said about webcams it might as well be a script. He's saying it to get what he wants (you to stay) rather than because it's actually the truth.

My ex is all about looking like the perfect husband/father. But it's a constructed image. He couldn't empathise with me enough for that to be real. That lack of empathy came out in lots of ways and in many ways it was harder for me to acknowledge that because our relationship was so good a lot of the time. But it ended up with me being depressed and disconnected because he didn't acknowledge or care about my needs.

Have a read of this
www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/how-to-spot-a-covert-narcissist-2018-5%3famp

Idontknow23 · 04/06/2020 08:03

What a weirdo!! Calling the church and all his family, has he got some guilt problem, he sounds very self centred! He would probably do it again in a couple of years time and cry about it and give you some detached sob story, the way he even describes how he views you like you are some China doll that can't be touched, he has got alot of issues and you have a chance to escape and not get caught up with it. The lockdown of everything and your wedding cancelled is a blessing in disguise.

Prettybubblesintheair · 04/06/2020 10:35

I’m really glad you’re not going back to him op Flowers

Bluebell0724 · 04/06/2020 10:37

@Legallybleachblonde yes sounds very familiar that type of repeated exposure is bound to have a negative impact

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