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Well, he's cheating on me

130 replies

TirisfalPumpkin · 28/05/2020 12:57

Probably not physically due to lockdown, but I have 'smoking gun' screenshots of my husband on dating sites messaging women, looking for 'fun and companionship', even offering to be someone's 'sugar daddy' through uni.

Well this is a bit shit, isn't it. I know it sounds flippant. I think I'm in shock. I thought I had trust issues that I needed to work through, and while I suspected, I didn't know. It turns out my intuition was right.

I now need to accompany him to his grandmother's funeral and be nice in front of the family.

Can't believe he would do this to me. I'm going to generalise and say what the hell is wrong with men. Why do they do this.

I also have no idea what to do myself. I'm half tempted to send the screenshots to his mum and say 'have a word with your son', or maybe messily all over social media. I have no idea what is best for me, though. I thought our relationship was best for both of us. My ex did this too. I can't imagine ever trusting anyone ever again.

OP posts:
GilbertMarkham · 01/06/2020 12:56

*tells

Sexnotgender · 01/06/2020 13:00

Any chance he’s got money you don’t know about?

LanternLighter · 01/06/2020 13:07

My ex blamed his depression and a breakdown for his cheating.

A councillor told me “being depressed doesn’t change your morals”

MH problems cause a lot of things but he would still know what he was doing was wrong.

Hidingtonothing · 01/06/2020 13:10

No real advice OP but just wanted to say you sound awesome and I have no doubt you will come through this stronger and better without him. I know you're not at the point where you fully believe that yet but please hold on to those dreams of your cottage and your lovely peaceful life, you will get there.

If you find yourself struggling with his threats about hurting himself you might find this thread useful www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3786349-Divorcing-sulking-H-will-it-happen-in-2020, the OP is also awesome and I think it might give you valuable insight.

I'm glad you're finding the support you need here, there will always be someone around if you need us Flowers

BestOption · 01/06/2020 13:15

We're racking up more lockdown violations than Dominic Cummings

This made me laugh far more than it should have -so thank you for that!

Please don't be sucked back in by his 'MH crisis'. Genuine or not, it's self inflicted.

HE chose to do what he did, he chose to seek out young girls he thought were vulnerable (some will be, some will know exactly what they're doing) and offer to be their Sugar Daddy- it's way more bike than 'ordinary cheating'. He was choosing this while filling your head with a future. Wanker.

While he's not there, I would bundle up (Some of) his & all his visitors crap & dump them on his mothers doorstep, along with copies of the internet stuff.

Move back in with your cat

As for keeping the house or buying something else. It depends whether you LIVE your house or not? And what else you could actually buy. Check SOLD prices for cottages you would actually buy if you had the money.

Please don't let his current 'crisis' derail you from the utter vile way he's behaved and stop keeping his dirty secrets. Do NIT go viral online, but do tell his family & any friends.

Be strong you CAN do this.

Ps: I do believe part of your attraction For him was that you were so vulnerable at the time x but your STRONGER now & living in your own, with your cat, in a lovely cottage can so happen!

FinallyHere · 01/06/2020 13:59

Good on you @TirisfalPumpkin

All the very best to stay strong and not let yourself get reeled back in.

Would love to know how you got your lawyer recommendations. I'd really appreciate it, if you would pass them in in a PM

yesterdaystotalsteps123 · 01/06/2020 15:03

I think he's having his convenient little crisis so he gets the house and the lion's share of the equity. Can you convince his mum to move him in with her under the pretence if it being better for his MH. If he's a narcissist this bit is just a game to him and a game he will enjoy playing. Get him out of the house!!

GilbertMarkham · 01/06/2020 16:05

so he gets the house and the lion's share of the equity

Surely he can't get more equity than he's due whether he stays in the house or not. He's have to buy op out to the tune of the equity she's due, would he not?

GilbertMarkham · 01/06/2020 16:07

Are you joint owners on the house op?

If it's in your name, you should be able to evict him as such, I think.

GilbertMarkham · 01/06/2020 16:09

Don't let the convenient crisis stop you getting Mr. Sugar daddy to teenage student out.

Gutterton · 01/06/2020 17:37

Do you know how much of your joint married money he has been spending on his sugar babies over the years?

madcatladyforever · 01/06/2020 17:38

Don't go to the funeral and tell him he is a shit then divorce him.

Vodkacranberryplease · 01/06/2020 17:39

What a grade A twat. It's all a game and I think your aim has to be to get things resolved financially ASAP so you can get into a new home.

But these people get very manipulative (my ex business partner rang loads of people with a 'poor me ive been kicked out of the company') story so fgs tell people including his mother the TRUTH. You can say you are concerned about him but have to distance yourself because of his sugar babies, cheating etc and you hope she understands.

And find the money. The money he was spending on students. He's hoping you will feel so bad he can get you out for peanuts and fuck that. Plants these days are expensive! And he has behaved utterly appallingly.

Trust me when you don't play ball he will suddenly discover his sanity 🙄 if not then great you can get back into the house while he's in the loony bin. Fucking cheek getting his mum to move in. That's a possession is 9/10ths of the law, prick move. Put a stop to it now.

Vodkacranberryplease · 01/06/2020 17:41

Somehow I'm all this the topic of conversation is nothing to do with how YOU feel about his vile behaviour. Funny that. He cheats and he's the one having a breakdown?? What an arse.

UnhappyMondays · 01/06/2020 20:29

Yes @Vodkacranberryplease re he cheats and he’s the one having a breakdown? What an arse”

He’s capitalising on the consequences of his own choices (your decisiveness) in order to victimise himself and avoid facing the reality of said consequences.

It looks like he is attempting to regain some kind of control by eliciting an emotional, caring and ideally guilt-laden response from you by placing himself in “harm”.... all because you won’t tolerate him attempting to become a sd.

He merely remains a victim of his own making with this display. Pathetic.

You on the other hand OP, sound bloody amazing. Remain strong, cool, calm and collected. There’s nothing wrong with feelings of basic humanity (obviously!!) but don’t allow him to manipulate this situation. All the best and your future white cottage sounds fabulous!

TirisfalPumpkin · 02/06/2020 08:51

Morning & happy Tuesday. Feeling better today, seem to have shaken off the sads (listening to some angry rock music in my childhood bedroom helped)

Different family member now acting as message courier. Husband not ill enough to be admitted & will be seen by community MH team, and in the meantime needs to stay in house. I’ve responded in that I want to move back in on Friday at the latest. He clearly has a pretty extensive support network who could surely, between them, put him up or arrange somewhere for him to stay. Seems my mental health or where I feel safe aren’t even on anyone’s radar. It’s fine for me to just deal with this fundamental betrayal while living out of a suitcase and attempting to work remotely without my DSE kit (won’t fit in dad’s car). I’m guessing he’s signed off work.

You all raise many great questions and points, which I will try to respond to - apologies if I miss any.

A few people have suggested he’s exhibiting narc behaviour. I have an open mind to this. He’s certainly self-centered and seems to be following ‘the script’ of caught cheaters and DARVO-ing like crazy. IDK if it’s a full on personality disorder. I’m not a psychology expert. I am wondering if the next dramatic move is predictable – if it usually goes (as Bunnymummy suggested) ‘long, self excusing letter’ then ‘suicide threat’, what should I prepare for next? Fortunately there aren’t any children to drag into it. MulticolorMophead, very sorry your ex did that to your DC, that is reprehensible.

Thanks Hidingtonothing for the link to Jamais’ thread; I do remember reading one of her earlier ones while lurking. She sounds to be doing fantastically. I’ve also been enjoying the ‘single life’ threads; I wish I’d discovered these sooner. In hindsight I think a lot of my 20s were about compensating for how weird my autism makes me by trying to hit as many of the ‘normal life’ milestones as possible, like being in a relationship, living with someone, when perhaps that wasn’t in my interest.

In terms of what he’s actually spent/done – I only have evidence of profiles and PMs on a few daddy sites plus ‘Fuckster’ – hook up site (classy). There are chats with girls offering them money. If money has actually changed hands, it certainly hasn’t come out of our joint account or credit card, but he has around a grand a month of ‘fun money’ that is just his to spend and I don’t see, so I guess it’s plausible that his sugar sprinkling was coming out of that - unless he has credit in his sole name that I don’t know about. I do watch our joint accounts like a hawk as I work in finance and am a bit paranoid about fraud, also he has a bad habit of ‘forgetting’ to pay with his own card for personal purchases and then I have to weed these out and ask him to pay the joint back. I thought this was carelessness and now I’m leaning towards dishonesty.

The house is in both our names (joint tenants). I am unsure of the law re. occupation. I believe that is relevant for child residency issues but not sure it applies to adults, i.e. he wouldn’t get any more ‘right’ to the house or more of the equity by sitting in it and sulking. I could be wrong, though. Related point: are cat custody battles a thing? She was my cat first and pre-dated him as a cohabitor.

I spoke to my friend’s recommended shit hot solicitor, who was lovely and pragmatic – thinks mine should be a ‘straightforward’ case and it would not be at all unreasonable to ask for a substantially more favourable equity/savings split, given my larger deposit, gifts from my family and the relative shortness of the marriage.

Plants are indeed expensive, Vodkacranberry! I learned of the concept of an expensive separation present to oneself in the singles thread; maybe I’ll treat myself to a variegated Monstera Deliciosa.

Take care all, and thank you once again. This thread has really helped me clarify my thinking and has been a great source of strength to me.

OP posts:
GilbertMarkham · 02/06/2020 09:03

I spoke to my friend’s recommended shit hot solicitor, who was lovely and pragmatic – thinks mine should be a ‘straightforward’ case and it would not be at all unreasonable to ask for a substantially more favourable equity/savings split, given my larger deposit, gifts from my family and the relative shortness of the marriage

That's great op.

It seems that, as you would expect, who stays in the house has no effect on the settlement but it's still really angering to see him there, playing the victim, when he's the one who's blown the marriage apart .. and you're being inconvenienced. Definitely keep pushing hard for him to get out and you to get in, and definitely say clearly that your welfare, convenience and mental health matters too; you're trying to cope with his (attempted?) cheating, his behaviour on hookup and sugardaddy sites, and the subsequent breakdown of the marriage. Dont let them go along with the him as the victim narrative without some choice words.

If he makes it really hard to get him out and you're worried about getting the cat back or worried he may maliciously regime the cat ... Does the car get let out for any extended periods? Could it be intercepted discretely if things get bad and you can't get it off him?

GilbertMarkham · 02/06/2020 09:04

*re-home

GilbertMarkham · 02/06/2020 09:05

also he has a bad habit of ‘forgetting’ to pay with his own card for personal purchases and then I have to weed these out and ask him to pay the joint back. I thought this was carelessness and now I’m leaning towards dishonesty.

I think you're right.

yesterdaystotalsteps123 · 02/06/2020 11:58

He lost a good one, you sound amazing and your thread also helps other women like me who find their husbands on websites and wonder what the attraction is (mine was 3fun, Kik, Craigslist and some others) when they have a lovely wife and home and life...silly, selfish, stupid losers!! You will be so happy and free in a few months with your gorgeous cat, she's yours

Florist1970 · 03/06/2020 00:29

Don't ever denounce him to your in-laws, they will take his side, he will have told them you are crazy, alcoholic, whatever, don't go there x

TirisfalPumpkin · 03/06/2020 12:54

In laws are a mixed bag - some decent and reasonable, supporting him without condoning what he's done. I unfortunately had to block my MIL because she kept sending me pseudo-nice manipulative messages. She does conflict resolution & coaching professionally - non violent communication and restorative justice and all that - but seemed to skip the part where the participants are meant to be consenting and it's an appropriate situation to apply it.

She (and also my ex) are very into this 'my truth'/'your truth' and there being more than one valid reality (not just opinion about or perspective on, literal realities). For her it's all one big midpoint fallacy where the 'truth' is halfway between two worldviews; no-one is ever objectively wrong. In her favour, she's an incredibly generous and empathetic person, but I can see where he gets his 'it's all about me' from.

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Bunnymumy · 03/06/2020 13:07

Empathetic my arse. Manipulative. Mumbo jumbo to make herself seem superior. Couple of narcissists.

You're well shot of him and his mum.

Block them all.

Bunnymumy · 03/06/2020 13:11

You know the sort that try and convince you there is no right or wrong? The sort that want to be bastards and get away with it.

GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 13:16

My truth, your truth?

He was messaging teenage girls on sugar daddy dating sites, offering to be their sugar daddy (and he was on other dating sites too, right?) behind his wife's back ....

That's one simple truth.

Fuck them and their bullshit. It'll be a relief to not have to deal with such self serving, crazy making idiocy as a side effect of divorcing him.

Tell them to try applying that to a speeding fine or drink driving offence and see how far they get with it with the police.