How does everyone feel about p0rn?

[warmsummersday]

Hi. Im feeling abit insecure at the mo, OH works away in the week and all I can think about for the past couple of weeks is porn and I don't like the idea of him looking at it. I don't know why. Obviuosly I know he looks at it, just like everyother tom dick and harry! I have some but for me to look at it is fine in my head. Can someone reasure me and make me feel better please?

"Also, LFC and Elizabetth please note: your claims that the porn industry is richer and more powerful than any other industry in the world are a longstanding urban myth and, quite frankly, complete bullshit."

Actually mademez your claim I ever said this (or even believe it) is complete bullshit. Is there another Elizabetth on these threads making these assertions or have you just decided to conduct an argument in your head? Do try and respond to what is written, not what you've cooked up in your imagination.

Dishonest debate disgusts me and you are trying very hard to go down that road.

havent read the whole thread but...

what norma said...

Perhaps KHIN you and i should get together... nutty minxs in nappies???

I still don't understand why women are so keen to defend something that is so destructive and hateful to women. It's like turkeys voting for Christmas.

Bizarre.

People would still hate porn even if everyone was mentally checked and history gone over, just because they feel threatened by the attractive ladies or don't like the idea of husband/partner getting off without them

Porn is jut fun fantasy, you don't see men getting a complex over the size of the men in them

I like porn, alone and with partners, it adds spice. I like watching things that personally I don't do

I really don't see why women get het up over it

GMM- we are getting together to creat the first ever MN xmas party porn vid.
Want a copy when it is done?

What about gay porn? who does that be hateful too?

You can't generalise it is ALL bad, there are good and bad practises in the industry

LFC - I would say the damage that person does to his/her children in an abusive relationship "normalises" it for those children.

I would also say that I doubt very much if peoples views on prostitutes is affected by how much they watch porn. I think most of their views come form society as a whole. Again, legalising prostitution and giving protection to those in the industry (thus making it more acceptable to society as a whole) is one way of stopping such opinions in rape cases.

no, i wannna be in on the action!!!

This is an interesting post to which I'll just make one point (well initially).

The question of consent is a very well trodden legal and jurisprudential path with a huge body of case law governing virtually every aspect of consent you could think of, including what negates consent and the bounds of consent.

Without going into the detail of this, I think a very fair summary of it would be that consent cannot be said to be absent simply by virtue of a person's upbringing. To say that a person who was, for example, abused as a child cannot and should not be able to consent is wholly wrong, except to the extent that it has caused a current level of mental impairment that equates, for example, to mental retardation.

I would be incredibly careful, incidentally of even positing arguments like this. The natural corollary of saying "this person is unable to give consent" is to strip that person of the rights which the ability to give consent bestow.

I'm wondering if Elizabetth has ever considered that a turkey may be of the opinion that it would love to take pride of place on a family's dining table....

"Porn is jut fun fantasy, you don't see men getting a complex over the size of the men in them"

Porn isn't a fantasy, it's real women having real things done to their real bodies. Films and books are fantasies. What happens in porn is real, which is actually what the attraction is. It's a lot like people watching videos of beheadings or tramps beating one another up.

"I like porn, alone and with partners, it adds spice. I like watching things that personally I don't do"

See I have a real problem with this. You are happy to get your thrills watching a woman having things done to her that you wouldn't dream of allowing being done to yourself. Do you ever empathise with any of the women you are watching?

Yeah I reckon you'd be a right little fire cracker GMM

Actually I have a problem with watching porn that you wouldn't be willing to do yourself. Personally, I'll do pretty much anything so it's not really an issue for me.

"I'm wondering if Elizabetth has ever considered that a turkey may be of the opinion that it would love to take pride of place on a family's dining table...."

LOL

The thing is I think you're serious.

I like watching gay porn! I can't do that

I like watching group sex..... I don't know enough people that would be willing! Maybe one day I'll join a swingers club

Why is it only the woman you think is degraded?

In your thinking, you should be standing up for the men too. Sex isn't dergrading, in a healthy relationship, 'the woman has things done to her' that is sex!

It isn't all poor little women being violated, maybe you should watch some!

Okay... well I can't resist a second point.

Elizabett: "It's a lot like people watching videos of beheadings or tramps beating one another up".

Well actually, no, it's nothing like that is it? The latter two examples involve murder and assault.

What's that? Your next point no doubt... but porn is a crime etc. Well actually it's not since the sex is consensual. In the event that it is not consensual, and there have a been a number of cases on this in the US and in Europe, then it is treated as a crime and prosecuted as such.

Ah MR - sorry, those are things you are unable to do...not things you'd refuse to do. Don't have a problem with you watching that sort of thing.

I think we need some mens opinions on here, they are after all the ones who "aparently" like to see the women being degraded.

I've asked for men's opinions here but there seems to be little interest in sex over there in the men's room.

Look, if you think that all the sex in porn is consensual you really aren't paying attention. Coercion is the name of the game for the pimps in porn. It is difficult to persuade a woman to "consent" to double anal penetration, it is difficult to get a woman to consent to being choked or have her head flushed down the toilet like Max Hardcore does to the women he exploits, it is difficult to persuade a woman to "consent" to a gang bang or to bukkake.

If you bother to actually read or pay attention to what women in porn say, there is a huge amount of pressure for them to take part in acts that they don't really want to do.

And again elizabetth i am going to make the same point that WE porn users have already made several time, we are not getting off on the fact that they are being forced into it, there is no denying that there should be regulations put into place to protect the women and MEN who do the porn

I'd consent to it...wonder if there is a market for baby belly porn , we could be making our fortune KHIN.

Have you been "coerced" Elizabetth, does your dh coerce you to have sex with him?

If my dh looked at porn my opinion of him would plummet. In fact I don't think I could love him if he did - it's just so pathetic.

You're missing my point khin. Porn wouldn't exist without coercion. There might be a little bit, but the massive industry that relies on the exploitation of a constant supply of young womens' bodies would not be able to survive if these people didn't have massive pressure, coercion and sometimes even rape forced on them.

I'll refer you back again to the first famous porn film, Deep Throat, which Linda Marciano said of afterwards "every time someone sees that movie, they are watching me being raped".