How does everyone feel about p0rn?

[warmsummersday]

Hi. Im feeling abit insecure at the mo, OH works away in the week and all I can think about for the past couple of weeks is porn and I don't like the idea of him looking at it. I don't know why. Obviuosly I know he looks at it, just like everyother tom dick and harry! I have some but for me to look at it is fine in my head. Can someone reasure me and make me feel better please?

Jenna Jameson seems to think that a lot of young women are exploited in pornography -

""In a worst-case scenario, a gonzo director will take a girl to a hotel room and have their friends shoot a cheap scene in which she is humiliated in every orifice possible. She walks home with $3,000, bowed legs, and a terrible impression of the industry. It'll be her first and last movie, and she'll regret it - to her dying day."

Jameson says porn has more pitfalls "than nearly any other occupation." Drugs is one. Maintaining a boundary between your job and private life is another. The inability to recognise the distinction is shared by many who love porn and many who loathe it - in other words, they both tend to assume that porn stars are whores who will sleep with anyone.

Even the girls who are lucky enough to land a contract with one of the big adult film companies like Vivid or VCA or Wicked find their battles aren't over. A contract girl gets between $75,000 to $100,000 to appear in 10 movies a year (at probably two to three scenes a movie). They don't own any rights to their screen work, so scenes can be reused in compilations. And because the adult industry isn't unionised and the films are so cheap to make, the stars make a piddling slice of the overall profits."

books.guardian.co.uk/salon/0,,1290761,00.html

and here's what Martin Amis had to say about what it's like on a porn set:

books.guardian.co.uk/departments/politicsphilosophyandsociety/story/0,,458058,00.html

I condemn porn as a genre because of what I said earlier - that I've worked with hundreds of damaged women who have had problems with sex and porn.

I really truly have never met anyone (apart from virtually on here = and you could all be 16 year old masturbating schoolboys for all I know) who has a healthy life where porn is a component in it.

You are all saying different - and I hear you all saying that you believe differently for yourselves. And I appreciate that point of view as valid.

Madamez - thats exactly what i was trying to say several posts ago but too tired to express it so clearly

Of FFS Elizabetth: I was beginning to suspect that all your arguments came out of Dworkin and McKinnon, now you've confirmed it by suggesting the fecking Minneapolis ORdinance. That was rubbish 20 years ago and is no less rubbish now. Are they still teaching this crap as Women's Studies?

ANd Jenna Jameson is arguing for better rights and protection for porn performers, not condemning everyone who works in the industry.

Tbh I'm rather that someone who believes porn actresses are acting doesn't also think that they might sensationalise their story

I do condemn pornography as a genre custardo. Have you bothered to read the the thread? Those are my solutions.

and indeed, once again, we are back to the point that you still haven't made a case against porn and have simply made a case for better regulation...

I've made a case against pornography right through this thread, just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean I didn't make it. Christ I hate dishonest debate.

Madamez I don't condemn porn performers, I condemn porn producers, porn distributors and porn consumers.

Am I just too tired or are we all just banging our heads againsts Elizabetth's brick wall?

Think I need to go to bed now so if you could all just do the same so I dont miss anything and we can come back to this tomorrow, ok?

Your point seems to be though that you find it degrading. Surely then regulations that stop women being exploited is a solution to your point. Or are they still being degraded and exploited but just don't know about it cos they've been brainwashed

Alright, I'll have a stab at it

I'm against it (me personally, NOT attributing judgement)

because

1. it makes me cringe, feel sick, makes me cry

2. I can tell their faking - and when i can tell someone is faking it makes me question how happy they are doing it

3. all of the unregulated stuff we talked about, yes I do think a lot of people are exploited in the sex industry (yes, in lots of industries but the sex industry is HUGE and RICH

4. Rapid exposure desentisizes - proven fact unfortunately

5. It's addictive

6. It contributes to break up of relationships and family breakdown

7. I'm a Christian so again only my point of view - it damages us as humans in some hard to pinpoint way

Again these are only off the top of my had and only my opinion

bedtime for me too, if you don't like dishonest debate Elizabetth then perhaps we could come back tomorrow and find you prepared to have an honest one, where you don't ignore any questions that might go against your case?

I'm sorry I'm too tired to construct a coherent argument - pkease ignore the list, was trying to answer norma who wanted an argument against it.

Oh yeah, and I wouldnt want my little girl to do it

thank you Laurie
that was a very honest post and a much better way of putting across your point of view
while I may not agree with it I do respect you for making the effort to put a reasoned argument across

LFC - thank you very much for giving your opinion. At last someone has actually stated their reasons. I can see why you may object to it and that's fine.

FWIW, you do seem to understand that other people have different opinions. It just seems that some others on here are saying that I've either

a) been brainwashed into thinking porn is ok
b) like degrading myself
c) think women should be submissive
or d) think that men can do what they like to me by nagging me

Whereas I feel I can
a) think for myself
b) be submissive without being weak
c) initiate sex
d) want to do anal without having been coerced into it

I can't every question Pillock, don't be ridiculous. There are far too many porn defenders to address every one and actually I answered quite a few of your questions that you thought were unanswerable and were claiming I hadn't answered. Funnily enough you were quite silent after that.

Norma, I said that my objection to pornography is that it is woman-hating and degrading to the women in it. Regulation isn't going to get rid of that. The degradation and the misogyny is what the men who watch it are getting off on (I can't speak for the women). The solutions I have offered would basically wipe out the porn industry if they were implemented.

i dont believe it is women hating. think that is a point of view rather than a fact.

Tbh I think men get off on the fact it someone fucking. I don't think they get off on the degradation of women. Perhaps you've had experiences with men that give you that impression but I think it's a sweeping generalisation that most men would be offended by.

"while I may not agree with it I do respect you for making the effort to put a reasoned argument across"

Maybe you should take a few leaves out of her book then pillock because all I've seen from the porn-defenders is "I like it therefore it must be OK".

i dont get off on degredation or misogyny.

but i do get off.

that is quite catagorically untrue and unfair elisabeth. I have presented many arguments

we get to a sort of agreement about regulation and entitlement - rahter than the genre

and you suddenly must thik "hold on....i can't be agreeing...must go back to staple argument....WOMEN are DEGRADED"

I think a lot of men like seeing women humiliated and vulnerable like I've said before. Porn titles wouldn't routinely contain misogynist insults like "whre, slt, b*tch etc", porn actresses wouldn't have to do things like double penetration, bukkake, facial ejacultion and all sorts of things that can't be repeated here if they didn't.

Are any of you going to ask your partners if they've seen Animal Farm?

Right well, I shall be off to bed to fuck dh with the vibrator. I'll let you know in the morning how it goes Elizabetth. Would you like pictures perhaps as proof?

I'm guessing you don't mean the George Orwell one ?

If I let my imagination run wild that sounds very yuk.