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Witchesandwizards · 11/04/2020 16:32

I met my kiwi husband 13 years ago in London, I am 48, he is 42 and we have two children, 10 and 7. We moved to NZ October 2019 against my wishes, but my husband always wanted to come back.

It was always an understanding that at some point we would move to NZ but this was decided before children, before my parents became frail and it kept getting put off as we built a successful and comfortable life in London with a close network of friends. I hoped that this would mean we didn’t have to move. By the time he decided we should move, I didn’t want to, but my husband held me to a ‘promise’ I had made 12 years earlier, and despite a lot of arguments, we set the wheels in motion and moved 6 months ago.

Immediately I felt homesick and suddenly realised that I had taken my life for granted, but emotionally I still felt in control and we threw ourselves into finding a house. And when we moved into that house, I looked forward to our container arriving and then it was Christmas. I spent 4 months either expecting things to improve or busy with the holidays. I still cried, we still had arguments, but nothing could prepare me for how I felt when the kids went back to school.

At the start of February it hit me like a ton of bricks that I have left most of my family and all my friends, my career, the home we renovated together, the city I love and my country of birth. It dawned that the rest of my life could be unhappy, living in a place I hate and don’t belong. At almost 50, I don’t really have much chance of building a life that is as fulfilling as my old one - I feel bereft and trapped. The best way I can describe it is that it feels like I’m in a coma and someone is trying to turn off my life support and however hard I try to yell, I can’t make them understand that I’m alive. I feel trapped in a nightmare - I have lost all control over my life. It’s a horror movie. I can’t even look back at last year and all the planning and believe I actually came. It’s a blur. I don’t know how I got on the plane.
Everything I do reminds me of an occasion, place or person from home. Hundreds of times a day. Music makes me sad, photos make me sad, social media makes me sad. I’ve always been the sort of person who can compartmentalise my problems, and still get up every day and find something to enjoy, putting a face on through hard times and still functioning well at work and socially. But now I only function for the children and nothing brings me joy. I have deserted my parents when they need me most, I argue and fight with my husband in front of the children, I don’t earn a living and I am horrible to live with.

Consequently, we are having terrible marriage problems - I’m not playing ball and embracing life as he wants me to, and he says I am negative. He is the classic extrovert and I am a natural introvert but with extrovert ‘cover’ when needed - he thinks I should socialise more to get out of my rut, find a job (after a 24 year career in advertising, I can’t get work for logistical/childcare reasons, age and now probably recession), and is pissed off that I don’t want to hang out with his family all the time (I don’t particularly get on with them). In return I have been absolutely vile to live with, lashing out (not physically) because I blame and resent him for my situation. He is now talking about separation but has said I can’t take the children home so I would have to stay here with 50% access, spending half my time alone in a country I never wanted to live in. I don’t know if I love him, I can’t see the wood for the trees.
I know I am depressed, but what good are anti-depressants, I need a time machine.

If you got this far thank you! There is nothing anyone can do to help but writing it down maybe helped. Or maybe not. 3.30am and I'm done x

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anticon · 15/07/2020 09:28

Smart woman! But that was never in any doubt. Yep, let him dig deeper and deeper. I'd still move somewhere else in Auckland - reduces your likelihood of MIL looking after the kids for not-so-D/soon-to-beExH. It would only be a sign of your efforts to make a fresh start, find employment/settle/whatever. Meanwhile your likelihood of better-fitting secondary school environment for DC will increase, in case you do end up stuck here. Win-win, right Wink
But seriously, school zones and transport are a real enemy here, as you already found out. Please move if you can.

Sssloou · 16/07/2020 11:32

Delighted to see that you have some plans firmly in place to get home in the near future. I think your August trip will be v important for you.

Seems also that him moving out and the mediator in place means that you are in a plateau phase before the final details. So take a breather you have come and long long way.

Witchesandwizards · 16/07/2020 20:48

Thank you @Sssloou

I had a shocker yesterday afternoon and no one I can talk to IRL. It's shaken me more than it should.

I stopped off at an off license to pick up a bottle to take to my friend's house, and as I was parking a taxi pulled up behind me and the girl who got out stumbled to the off license. I thought she looked like SIL, but she lives half an hour away and I haven't seen her since January...

I go in and it is her. She is incoherent, stained clothes and bursts out crying when she sees me, telling me she's a mess and sorry for not getting in touch. She can barely pay for her wine and doesn't really know where she is going in her taxi so I suggest her brother's house as he lives down my road and it would explain why she is there. She agrees and goes off in the taxi, only to pull up at my house 5 mins later. I'm still in my car so I quickly phone DH as I don't know what the fuck to do, but can't speak much as I have to help her with her luggage (suitcase, various bags with a litre of vodka sticking out of her handbag.

I help her in and she pours a tumbler of wine and is in an absolute state. DH calls to say his mum is picking her up but SIL doesn't want that so I tell DH I will sort something. He had the kids for the night so worst case she could have stayed with me. But MIL does turn up and they argue about what to do - MIL wants to take her back to her house because SIL doesn't want her kids to see her (but my kids were staying at MILs!!) but SIL refuses and asks to stay with me. MIL tells her she is not welcome to stay at mine so SIL asks me 'Witches, am I not welcome?' and I (have to) reply 'of course you are' and MIL says to me 'you have caused enough trouble'. WTF. I have had it.
Her dad calls - he lives an hour away but has clearly been looking for her as he is round the corner. She refuses to see him.
Meanwhile SIL starts talking about her problems with BIL and I could see MIL was clearly uncomfortable that this was happening in front of me, but not so uncomfortable that she couldn't direct an opportunistic 'some people want to destroy families' towards me at a suitable point in the conversation.
MIL finally accepts SIL will not go with her so she calls SIL's brother who is out, but who agrees to collect her in half an hour. SIL wanted to talk and clearly the family have been talking about me because when I say the vaguest but still accurate thing I could think of - 'I tried for 4 months but then had a breakdown when I realised what I had lost' she replied 'but did you try, did you? You have been so negative. You have a beautiful house and beautiful children'. So I just shut my mouth until her brother forcibly removed her.

The whole thing made me feel really shaken.
But that was 4pm on Thursday, it's now 8am on Friday, I was on my own last night and has DH checked in to see if I'm ok? Nope.

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RandomMess · 16/07/2020 21:00

😢

That's grim, really grim and they will never recognise that is exactly why you don't like their drinking culture.

Of course they have bitched about you, the lies the PIL told will never be admitted to, not their dysfunctional family, nor their alcoholism...

Sssloou · 16/07/2020 21:44

Seriously why do you even entertain the polluted toxic ramblings of your drunk alcohol SIL and malicious MIL regarding their “insights” into your marriage?

Witchesandwizards · 16/07/2020 21:44

God.
I've just spoken to DH about dropping the kids back.
He asked me 'did you give SIL wine? You saw how she was, did you give her wine?'

As if.
WTF has MIL said? You guys even know me well enough to know that's rubbish.
I couldn't have stopped her. I'm 5' 2" and weigh 7.5 stone, she's almost 6' weighs about 12 stone and was hammered. Not my job.

I'm so upset.

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Witchesandwizards · 16/07/2020 21:48

@Sssloou I don't really give a shit what they think, it's the fact that he tells them everything 'bad' I have done and said through anger, rear and depression yet doesn't tell them what he says. Obviously.

I asked if he told them what he did and said on my birthday and he said, no, that's ages ago and I was blind drunk.

I'm done,

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Witchesandwizards · 16/07/2020 21:48

'fear'

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RandomMess · 16/07/2020 21:52

Just big hugs. I don't know how he managed to hide the real him for so long, guess you were too busy to really notice Sad

MIL is a manipulative lying self centred bitch, but I think you already worked that out!

KOKO Thanks

Sssloou · 16/07/2020 21:57

Why are you upset about this incident?

Witchesandwizards · 16/07/2020 22:10

Partly because I have never seen anything like it.
Her state. Talking about suicide, agitated, scratching, crying. I was shocked for her.
And DC will be very involved in her family - it's not a big extended family just MIL/FIL, BIL/SIL and us and they live in each other's pockets.

As I say, MIL was trying to get her to go back to her house but my DC were staying there last night.

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namechange5575 · 16/07/2020 22:34

Witches of course it's disturbing - she was very disturbed, that is upsetting to see. And then they were in your space - you have been doing so well at carving a safe bubble for yourself, space to think, space away from your husband and his family - and suddenly they were in your safe space: criticising, hostile, but also needing and asking for your help. It must have been a very difficult position to be in. And you can 'know' they are bitching about you, and mentally distance yourself from that - but the reality of it being thrust in your face is an intrusion. The intensity of this will pass too. Your equilibrium will return.

Not surprising your husband didn't ask after you though. He must (unconsciously) be putting massive effort into his cognitive dissonance here. He must know on some level that his family have betrayed him, and that he's thrown you and his kids under the bus. And that is too upsetting for him to face, so he has to stick with the less painful version - it's all your fault because you haven't tried to like NZ enough. He can't deviate from that version of events, he can't be kind to you, or it all comes crashing down, and he has to face that his family are neglectful narcissistic alcoholics, he will lose them, and he will have to face his guilt at what he has done to you.

Witchesandwizards · 16/07/2020 22:49

@namechange5575
You've hit the nail on the head and your post gave me a lump in my throat - both the MIL situation and DH and the corner he has stuck himself in.
It was awful physically and emotionally.
I'd just got back from the gym and the supermarket (and off license!) and was planning a bath and face mask while listening to a podcast, and all of a sudden SIL who I've not see for 6 months, MIL for 6 months other than at the other side of the rugby field, are pacing around my house. With their bloody shoes on!

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Sssloou · 16/07/2020 23:36

I would step away from this drama. Alcoholic SIL has nothing to do with you. MIL will be mortified that you have seen inside her family. Same with your OH - he will be smarting - no surprise at all that he didn’t have any concern for you (did you really think he would?) and the best he could come up with was to project and point the finger at you and start to blame by asking if you gave her wine!

Seriously keep well out of it and be satisfied that they are even more messed up and toxic than you thought.

Witchesandwizards · 16/07/2020 23:36

It all makes sense now. DH has just dropped the kids off.
He reminded me that in an argument I said to him that I wanted to destroy his family like they have destroyed me. Not my finest moment but this was back in Feb around my meltdown time. DH told his mum what I said and she thinks that yesterday was somehow contrived by me to get revenge or a co-incidence that I took advantage of - trying to hurt them, and that my sympathy and support of SIL was fake. And I fed her wine!
FGS I didn't want any of them there.
But I was genuine. She made me cry for her and for me.
I held her. I said supportive things.
I would have put her up.

I asked DH if he also tells his mum all the nasty stuff he says to me in arguments. Like he doesn't love me any more and he's off to have fun. 'of course not, I don't even remember saying that, I was too drunk'
So of course she hates me.

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Sssloou · 16/07/2020 23:43

I don’t think there is any love lost between you and your MIL.

Keep detached, distant and indifferent. That’s your power. Don’t get drawn on the dramatics or whipped up by trying to understand MIL. You haven’t seen her for 6 months, you have zero plans to be part of her life - so it’s not possible or relevant to know what she thinks of you.

Get back to your own life of restorative peace and calm, positive people and interesting plans for the future. Try not to be triggered, preoccupied and absorbed by this incident.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 17/07/2020 13:24

Wow - just wow.

It's a horror movie where some unsuspecting nice woman moves into neighbourhood and everyone initially is on their best behaviour, but then it slowly unravels and gets scary showing their true colours.

What I can't quite get to grips with, is that families do not change overnight, so DH must have known about the rampant alcoholism in the family, and the incredible cover up that Tony Soprano would be proud of - family secrets. It's insane that the family's response to SIL being drunk, was to remove her urgently lest she spill family secrets rather than any empathy for her and her plight.

But interesting in another sense about how the family operate - they value family loyalty beyond someone's welfare.

Makes me wonder though whether the family lied to your DH about the state of affairs with the business and he is just as much a victim as you are...

ThePluckOfTheCoward · 17/07/2020 17:02

God Op, it sounds awful and his MIL sounds like an absolute horror. I mean, she turned up even though she was told SIL didn't want to go to hers and like you said, what was she thinking trying to take SIL to her house where your DC were? And then instead of buggering off she hangs around trying to control the situation and telling SIL that she is not welcome to stay in YOUR house, how dare she try to speak for you. She sounds like a black widow spider trying to keep everyone stuck in her web so she can control everybody. And your bloody DH telling them everything that you say verbatim but conveniently leaving his own part out in your arguments. They are a horror show, the lot of them.

Mix56 · 17/07/2020 19:00

I wondered, as if you get 70/30 child share, can you then in the divorce string them up by the balls re. trust, due to future assets, etc etc.
Then as knock on, offer once the house is sold & you have retrieved you share, you will retire with DC to the UK, they can come back for holidays etc.in exchange him not tied to you with the trust.
Does this make sense?
Also, can the kids speak to a judge about where they want to live ?
Slowly but surely they will see their father for the abusive drunken manipulator that he is.
Let's call a cat a cat, they would choose you & the UK over NZ & a drunken father/family

Witchesandwizards · 19/07/2020 03:45

No one has thanked me, or even tried to find out what happened (it was too crazy at the time to talk), just accused me of feeding her wine. MIL obviously told them all she found her at my house drinking wine, like I'd abducted her.

She was in an off licence, half an hour from home, off her face, crying, wearing stained clothes and looking for her car keys. I pointed out she had a taxi outside, but she didn't know where she was going in the taxi so I suggested her brother's house which is in our street. I planned to drop my frozen stuff home then check she was ok, but she got a taxi straight to my house.

MIL was all over her in front of me "You're so precious to us" "I don't have a daughter, just you" "we all love you so much".
I'm standing there awkwardly with my frozen veg...

@ilovemydogandMrObama
That's how I feel - trapped in some sort of psychological thriller. I can't get out. I've been reading a lot of books about women stuck in families they want to escape from like Unorthodox, Educated and a couple of books about the Latter day Saints and in a weird way they feel comforting (they all escape!!!). But with me there's an extra level - no one would argue with the horror faced by the authors of these books, but most of the people I talk to think I'm mad to complain about NZ. They think I'm whinging. Even the mediator said 'unless they are on drugs or breaking the law that's ok'.

And they definitely lied to him about the business. He thought him and BIL would have 50% each of a company worth $13m but BIL only has 20% of a company worth $6m. DH told me he planned to retire in 8 years at 50. Last year. Before the meeting with the accountant.
SIL let slip on Friday that BIL was so desperate to get DH home that he promised the world.
But DH still defends all this.

@ThePluckOfTheCoward That's exactly what she is and she's done a bloody good job of keeping her sons close.
She employs two of them, and pays for the other who never really worked. He currently lives at the beach house has a company mobile and drives a company VW Tourag. She is bored and lonely because FIL has severe dementia symptoms (nicest member of the family which is really sad) but it's ok because one of her 42 year old twins (DH) lives at home with her and the other is at the beach when she goes there.

It's sad. There are moments I think me and DH could make it work, but then I think of his family.

@Mix56 The trust is too well tied up for me to be able to take anything. Until his past parent dies, DH doesn't technically own anything even though he has been promised things. And this is the purpose - as my lawyer said 'protects assets from marauding wives.'

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Sssloou · 19/07/2020 11:11

How do you think you and your DH could make it work? What would be your conditions / expectations / boundaries?

Can you convey them to him so that he can make an informed choice?

Witchesandwizards · 19/07/2020 20:41

That's just it, here we couldn't because his family take priority and he will never change. It obviously worked at home because we only saw them once a year.

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Sssloou · 19/07/2020 21:37

Do you feel able to lay it out so that he is clear he is making the choice between a broken home for his DCs and his mother.

BumbleBeee69 · 19/07/2020 21:58

OP you are a credit to yourself...what you have coping with away from the support of friends and family.. sending best of wishes Flowers

Witchesandwizards · 20/07/2020 01:40

Do you feel able to lay it out so that he is clear he is making the choice between a broken home for his DCs and his mother.

Not on my own, but before our joint mediation I will be seeing the mediator on my own to work out what and want to say and she will help me frame it. Maybe someone else will be able to get through to him. If I try and speak to him on my own he keeps on saying it's my fault for being angry and miserable.

In the space of 9 months I gave up my career, friends, family and home, realised that NZ is not as promised, discovered the untruths that have been spun, diagnosed with severe depression, started the peri-menopause, Covid 19 happened and I lost my partner of 13 years....

Yes, I'm angry and miserable.

Everyone else gets it, why doesn't he?

Thank you @BumbleBeee69, kind words really mean a lot to me right now x

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