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can't bear his attitude to my job

143 replies

ladidadido · 08/04/2020 17:38

Married 11yrs, 2 DC 10 and 8. To save on drip feeding DC 1 was a surprise when DH and I had not be dating long. DH was not my knight in shining armour, but we decided to make the best of it. I'm from a very religious background, so that had a bearing. Marriage has been good some of the time, middling some of the time and awful some of the time.

I earn about £60k working part time (70%), DH earns just under 10 x my salary and works mostly 12 hour days M-F. Since DC were born my career has taken a huge back seat. First I went part time and then I went freelance. My working pattern (which involves working evenings and weekends) made family life difficult because DH didn't know where the children clothes lived and couldn't manage beans on toast struggled to manage small DC alone. We outsource almost everything - cleaner 2 days a week, gardener to cut the grass and hedges, and nanny on the days I'm at work. DH doesn't want to spend his down time doing chores and doesn't want me doing that either . (Having said that since the lockdown we have split the cleaning 50:50 on a Saturday and cracked through it in a couple of hours.) DH is currently working form home(so not commuting 2 hours/day). This involves me trying to keep the children quiet, homeschooling, keeping the house going, going in to do my own job 3 days a week and trying to keep on top of all the additional coronavirus stuff that need to know for my job(which is in addition to the 3 days I have to be actually at work). I have NO time for the latter- in fact I've been really struggling for about 2 years to keep on top of my job at all. This morning we have just had another argument about how he almost never does anything I ask hime to do and that impacts my job as I don't have time to do any of the non client facing stuff at home. He says he values my job. I think he only values it if it doesn't impact his life in any way. Today it started because I'd asked him several times to do something (non essential, but the kids have been going on for days about having it fixed, and it will occupy their time in lockdown) in the garden. He hasn't done it. I did it yesterday evening and then was joking with him about how once again 'his' job becomes mine and he became really angry and says that he didn't have any time to do the job and where do I think he should find the time from(he was off sat, sun and Monday). My response was my usual "where do you think I find time from?" I have never had an answer from him for that question. He always blames his job - he's just too busy to do anything he doesn't want to do. Then he suggests (again) that he gives up work so I can work full time and he can do all the things I think he should be doing. Financially we could do this. BUT, there is no way DH could run a house. I'd end up working full time AND doing all the stuff I currently do plus a whole heap more as we couldn't afford paid help. Then he said 'most of the stuff doesn't need doing anyway'. So not only does he think my job isn't important, but nothing I do in the house is worth doing either. I am so fed up with this attitude. Anything he doesn't feel like doing or doesn't notice becomes my job.I'll ask him to do stuff and he'll say he is going to do it, but several weeks later it still isn't done, I've reminded him several times and I just end up doing it. He regularly tells me that my stuff is always lying around the house. When he says 'my' stuff he means anything that isn't directly his. So all the kids stuff is 'my' stuff - uniform, books, sports equipment etc...its all 'mine' to sort and put away , the large box of grass seed that arrived a week ago and is still sitting in the hallway whilst I hope that he might ask where it needs to go and move it....thats 'mine' because I ordered it, and I will use it to cover the bare patches of lawn where he has been playing football with DC, and in his world the patches don't need covering with grass anyway. I see the grass seed as 'family' stuff, therefore he has an equal responsibility to put it away (and use it, but he is never going to use it, so I'd settle for putting it away). The pile of stuff that sits on the table - mostly kids books/drawings is 'mine' and therefore he doesn't touch it. The hose pipe that lies in a heap across the patio - I think it actually annoys him, but not sufficiently to do anything about it, so the only time it will get rolled up is once I've ordered a hose reel and wound it on myself or drilled the wall mounted one we have to the wall. I'd love to do my job better, but the only time I have to myself is once the DC have gone to bed at 8pm, by which time just want to collapse in a heap, not start working.
Before all the LTBs pop up......
1.He does work long days.How much should he be doing around the house when he is out for 12 hours and usually logs in the evening for another 2...atm is saving 2 hours commuting daily, and I do appreciate that perhaps my expectation of what he should do whilst WFH is possibly deluded and unfair. Am I being too fussy expecting him to do things like put the grass seed away or facilitate the hose not lying all over the patio?
2.he puts the bins out 😂, puts the laundry away, clears up at least 2/3 of the stuff after dinner every night (i cook), helps with or independently does bedtimes most days, makes a mean Saturday brunch.
3.He sets up and maintains EVERYTHING techie in the house (we wouldn't even have a TV if it was down to me)
4.He plays a lot of football with DC......and can even manage to pump the football up when it goes flat (although couldn't find the pump last week....because its 'mine').
5.He would happily pay for a part time house keeper to pick up all the shit he can't be bothered to, and is more than happy for me to get people in to do any job.....but the emphasis is on me. I have to get the people in. He doesn't do it.

Now he is having the inevitable post argument passive aggressive silent sulk. We argue about this at least once a fortnight atm.

Thoughts MNers?

OP posts:
SomeoneElseEntirelyNow · 08/04/2020 17:42

Youre not going to be able to change him, so you need to ask yourself how long you're willing to live like this for. If nothing changes, will you be happy like this in 6 months? A year? 2? 5? 20 years?

managedmis · 08/04/2020 17:44

In short, get rid

LaurieFairyCake · 08/04/2020 17:50

With £760,000 a year coming in just pay people to do everything Confused

Get an odd job person, housekeeper, nanny, gardener

You've BOTH got important and astonishingly well paid jobs - HIRE people to enable you both to do your WORK

Your job is important Thanks

Poppyfr33 · 08/04/2020 17:52

Ask him to take some holiday and be responsible for the home whilst you work full time, might open his eyes.

ComtesseDeSpair · 08/04/2020 17:55

Agree with both previous poster. You either need to accept he isn’t going to change and leave him; or accept that he isn’t going to change and go about essentially separate lives with a lot of paid help to cover for his lack of household input. With an income the two of you have, if you actually want to stay married (and I can’t see why you would, to be honest, but if you do) there simply doesn’t need to be any arguing about who’s doing the chores.

First thing boyfriend and I did when we moved in together was agree to get a cleaner. Life is to short to pick at each other over shitwork.

tallah · 08/04/2020 17:56

Christ you're rich! Lend us a tenner?

ladidadido · 08/04/2020 17:57

@LaurieFairyCake - I would except he leaves all of the managing of these people to me, which is a job in itself (and you've slightly misread my figures, but still a huge take home I know)

@Poppyfr33 we've discussed that, I just don't know how we could practically make it work and I'm not sure the children would ever recover from going into school with the wrong stuff on a daily basis

OP posts:
LannieDuck · 08/04/2020 17:57

Honestly I would call his bluff on him becoming a house husband.

And otherwise suggest he goes part time.

lilybetsy · 08/04/2020 17:58

outsource everything... get a housekeeper (a live out housekeeper) they will do all this stuff for you

mummmy2017 · 08/04/2020 17:59

He earns a lot, works a lot.
Get more help.
Enjoy your life's.

RandomMess · 08/04/2020 18:04

Have a live in housekeeper that manages the cleaner and gardener.

That way you only manage one person and off load a lot of the wife work onto the housekeeper.

HoneysuckIejasmine · 08/04/2020 18:04

Yeah I'd also hire a housekeeper to manage everything including other staff.

Also I'd call his bluff on the "I'll quit my job and be a house husband" bullshit. That's a controlling thing to do, he's trying to threaten you with he drop in income.

Butterymuffin · 08/04/2020 18:09

Explain the salaries again. You earn 60K and he earns just under ten times that, I read, so maybe 550K? I think Laurie and I both came to a similar conclusion. If I had that joint Income, neither me nor DH would lift a finger around the house. And I'd pay a housekeeper to organise it all.

ilovemydogandmrobama2 · 08/04/2020 18:11

There were just so many logistics in the OP, it made my head spin.

Do you love each other?

Tadgh · 08/04/2020 18:13

2.he puts the bins out 😂, puts the laundry away, clears up at least 2/3 of the stuff after dinner every night (i cook), helps with or independently does bedtimes most days, makes a mean Saturday brunch.

To be honest this kinda sounds like a lot Confused

Sorry I know there is much more to be done and all the little odd jobs you mentioned take time too, but I spend a lot of time putting laundry away, clearing up after dinner and doing bedtime. Those are my top 3 least favourite jobs.

I'm normally quick to say LTB if he's not pulling his weight.

But then again, if I made that sort of money you wouldn't catch me lifting a finger 🤣. I'd have a cleaner, housekeeper, nanny, gardener.

12 hour days + 2 hours commute must be killer.

I really don't think it's sustainable for you both to keep up full time + jobs, with high level incomes, and not outsource the vast majority of the housework.

GammonWithAHardR · 08/04/2020 18:14

You're extremely rich you should hire help. I am available to edit your mumsnet posts which might help?

Ragwort · 08/04/2020 18:17

Are you really looking for sympathy, I appreciate that everyone has their own ‘problems’ but with salaries like your’s and your DH’s your issues are way outside ‘the norm’.

thatsoundsfun · 08/04/2020 18:18

No point having all that money if you dont know how to spend it.

thatsoundsfun · 08/04/2020 18:19

3rd world problems indeed!

mrscampbellblackagain · 08/04/2020 18:21

Obviously in lockdown you can't outsource much but post-lockdown, like everyone else I would get a housekeeper.

But, I get the feeling you aren't really in love with your DH? He is earning a huge amount and presumably financing a pretty amazing life style for you and your DC. I know you earn too but it is his salary I presume that pays most of the bills? So if you don't really love him then just leave.

edwinbear · 08/04/2020 18:25

If my DH made that sort of money I wouldn't expect him to do anything other than keep earning it to be fair.

Iwannabeadored20 · 08/04/2020 18:25

I have to ask, what does he do? I have an idea that you are a doctor.

Iwannabeadored20 · 08/04/2020 18:26

It also sounds as though he is working these hours now to get to a pint where he eases off - like the early days when you are building up a business. What are his/your long term plans?

MrsGrindah · 08/04/2020 18:27

You don’t like him . You are unhappy. You won’t be destitute if you split up...it’s a no brainer surely?

HollowTalk · 08/04/2020 18:28

If I loved him then I'd accept this is how it's going to be and I'd stay, but I'd outsource absolutely everything. If he's working 14 hour days then he does need some downtime in the week. I'd also make sure I saved a lot, because it would be a hell of a shock to go onto a lower salary.

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