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can't bear his attitude to my job

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ladidadido · 08/04/2020 17:38

Married 11yrs, 2 DC 10 and 8. To save on drip feeding DC 1 was a surprise when DH and I had not be dating long. DH was not my knight in shining armour, but we decided to make the best of it. I'm from a very religious background, so that had a bearing. Marriage has been good some of the time, middling some of the time and awful some of the time.

I earn about £60k working part time (70%), DH earns just under 10 x my salary and works mostly 12 hour days M-F. Since DC were born my career has taken a huge back seat. First I went part time and then I went freelance. My working pattern (which involves working evenings and weekends) made family life difficult because DH didn't know where the children clothes lived and couldn't manage beans on toast struggled to manage small DC alone. We outsource almost everything - cleaner 2 days a week, gardener to cut the grass and hedges, and nanny on the days I'm at work. DH doesn't want to spend his down time doing chores and doesn't want me doing that either . (Having said that since the lockdown we have split the cleaning 50:50 on a Saturday and cracked through it in a couple of hours.) DH is currently working form home(so not commuting 2 hours/day). This involves me trying to keep the children quiet, homeschooling, keeping the house going, going in to do my own job 3 days a week and trying to keep on top of all the additional coronavirus stuff that need to know for my job(which is in addition to the 3 days I have to be actually at work). I have NO time for the latter- in fact I've been really struggling for about 2 years to keep on top of my job at all. This morning we have just had another argument about how he almost never does anything I ask hime to do and that impacts my job as I don't have time to do any of the non client facing stuff at home. He says he values my job. I think he only values it if it doesn't impact his life in any way. Today it started because I'd asked him several times to do something (non essential, but the kids have been going on for days about having it fixed, and it will occupy their time in lockdown) in the garden. He hasn't done it. I did it yesterday evening and then was joking with him about how once again 'his' job becomes mine and he became really angry and says that he didn't have any time to do the job and where do I think he should find the time from(he was off sat, sun and Monday). My response was my usual "where do you think I find time from?" I have never had an answer from him for that question. He always blames his job - he's just too busy to do anything he doesn't want to do. Then he suggests (again) that he gives up work so I can work full time and he can do all the things I think he should be doing. Financially we could do this. BUT, there is no way DH could run a house. I'd end up working full time AND doing all the stuff I currently do plus a whole heap more as we couldn't afford paid help. Then he said 'most of the stuff doesn't need doing anyway'. So not only does he think my job isn't important, but nothing I do in the house is worth doing either. I am so fed up with this attitude. Anything he doesn't feel like doing or doesn't notice becomes my job.I'll ask him to do stuff and he'll say he is going to do it, but several weeks later it still isn't done, I've reminded him several times and I just end up doing it. He regularly tells me that my stuff is always lying around the house. When he says 'my' stuff he means anything that isn't directly his. So all the kids stuff is 'my' stuff - uniform, books, sports equipment etc...its all 'mine' to sort and put away , the large box of grass seed that arrived a week ago and is still sitting in the hallway whilst I hope that he might ask where it needs to go and move it....thats 'mine' because I ordered it, and I will use it to cover the bare patches of lawn where he has been playing football with DC, and in his world the patches don't need covering with grass anyway. I see the grass seed as 'family' stuff, therefore he has an equal responsibility to put it away (and use it, but he is never going to use it, so I'd settle for putting it away). The pile of stuff that sits on the table - mostly kids books/drawings is 'mine' and therefore he doesn't touch it. The hose pipe that lies in a heap across the patio - I think it actually annoys him, but not sufficiently to do anything about it, so the only time it will get rolled up is once I've ordered a hose reel and wound it on myself or drilled the wall mounted one we have to the wall. I'd love to do my job better, but the only time I have to myself is once the DC have gone to bed at 8pm, by which time just want to collapse in a heap, not start working.
Before all the LTBs pop up......
1.He does work long days.How much should he be doing around the house when he is out for 12 hours and usually logs in the evening for another 2...atm is saving 2 hours commuting daily, and I do appreciate that perhaps my expectation of what he should do whilst WFH is possibly deluded and unfair. Am I being too fussy expecting him to do things like put the grass seed away or facilitate the hose not lying all over the patio?
2.he puts the bins out 😂, puts the laundry away, clears up at least 2/3 of the stuff after dinner every night (i cook), helps with or independently does bedtimes most days, makes a mean Saturday brunch.
3.He sets up and maintains EVERYTHING techie in the house (we wouldn't even have a TV if it was down to me)
4.He plays a lot of football with DC......and can even manage to pump the football up when it goes flat (although couldn't find the pump last week....because its 'mine').
5.He would happily pay for a part time house keeper to pick up all the shit he can't be bothered to, and is more than happy for me to get people in to do any job.....but the emphasis is on me. I have to get the people in. He doesn't do it.

Now he is having the inevitable post argument passive aggressive silent sulk. We argue about this at least once a fortnight atm.

Thoughts MNers?

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mangoandraspberries · 08/04/2020 19:54

Honestly, he earns a lot and although you also have a decent salary I suspect it's his salary that is really funding both your lifestyles.

If that's the case, and given the hours he works, I wouldn't expect him to do much around the house.

However, I wouldn't want to be in the position where my lifestyle was dependent on DH's earnings. If you also want to keep progressing at work, I would hire all the help you need to do everything for you at home. That way you can both concerntrate on your jobs and spend any remaining time together or concentrating on DCs.

I say this as someone who earns a six figure salary, but my DH earns about twice what I do (although not as much as yours). We have a nanny and a cleaner (although not now due to Coronavirus) so only have very little house admin left to do between us.

OzziePopPop · 08/04/2020 20:11

Unfortunately I think you’ve got the ick.

I believe it’s incurable so you have a choice,

Leave

Or get a housekeeper and try counselling maybe?

tarasmalatarocks · 08/04/2020 20:17

I think the big thing is here is it really about the fact that most stuff comes down to you OR is it that if you are being honest with yourself, you think his attitude sucks generally and dont like him that much. I think you need to separate it out in your head. Sounds like you are a doctor or GP so probably do have a very logical brain. If it’s realky the ‘task’ issue that’s causing all this then get a live out housekeeper/cook who also controls any other people who do work and organises it, I once nannied in a house where they had such a person— she was amazing!! Who gives a shit if it’s you that organises it if it sorts the problem. If it’s the sad fact that you think his attitude sucks and you don’t actually like him that much, then separate, you will still be pretty well off but a lot of those jobs will still be there of course unless you still pay for some help. I think the first thing to do is split the issue in your head.

Elsiebear90 · 08/04/2020 20:36

You work part time, he works 12 hours a day with a two hour commute 5 days a week and takes home over half a million pound and still does a decent amount of stuff around the house. I don’t see the problem?? If you feel you need more help then you’ve got more than enough money to hire some. He’s working his arse off (12 hour days are exhausting) doing more than double your hours, so you should be doing the majority of the house work imo.

Notverybright · 08/04/2020 20:37

She can't get a housekeeper in lockdown though, surely?

I'm on just over minimum wage, but there's a fuck load of sour grapes on this thread.

Sounds like you're incredibly busy op. I'm not sure what to suggest really. Stop picking up the slack with tidying. Make sure the kids get involved with cleaning up after themselves too. Any jobs that he puts off do not do. If the children are disappointed by anything he hasn't done say 'tell that to your dad'. Let your garden become a muddy mess.

Montymorency · 08/04/2020 20:48

it seems very simple. you don't seem to like or respect him. how does he feel about you? can you speak to each other with respect and understanding (given how hard things are for everyone, however much money they have)?

NoMoreDickheads · 08/04/2020 20:54

@Notverybright I think cleaners are still allowed to work as it's classed as an essential thing- it's helping reduce the spread of the virus everywhere. www.thesun.co.uk/money/11249826/cleaners-work-coronavirus-lockdown/

It'd be down to the individual cleaner whether they're prepared to work- I imagine most will as they're self-employed and often cash in hand.

permana · 08/04/2020 21:07

Cleaners/housekeepers are not banned during lockdown, if you can't work from home (this applies to any business) then you are allowed to go to work.

I agree it will be very difficult to recruit at the moment, but there are agencies for this sort of work for high net worth individuals for when lockdown is over.

I agree that the amount of hours your dh works, you aren't going to get the best of him.
Sounds like you don't actually like him anymore - I got the 'ick' about my ex h and just couldn't have sex with him, he grossed me out, and I couldn't bare to be around him, if you are feeling the same - do the right thing for you and get out - find someone you do like.

ShagMeRiggins · 08/04/2020 21:33

Throw your money at the domestic house stuff and use all free time with your children and each other. Seriously.

You might find your relationship improves tremendously when you’ve rid yourselves of these resentments.

KittyKattyKate · 08/04/2020 21:54

Oh puhleeze. Go get over yourself in that bare patch of grass over there.

ladidadido · 08/04/2020 22:14

Thanks MNers for your very insightful and helpful comments. I’m genuinely surprised not to have had a whole lot of LTBs, and perhaps it is me BU. I take the hint that we need a housekeeper.

Apologies to those who chose to be offended by my first world problem. I’m sorry if I’m your first example of money not buying happiness.

There are a few comments that stick out.

@Nanny0gg Why don't you actually enjoy having that kind of money?. I think this is key. I don’t. It makes me feel hugely uncomfortable. Neither DH or I grew up with money. He is comfortable with it now and likes to spend money on eating out, fine wine, expensive clothes, expensive holidays etc. I am not. I’m happy to eat out or in, wouldn’t know a £5 bottle from a £500 bottle, like camping and get a large amount of my clothes from charity shops (to his absolute horror). My DM drilled into me that you don’t pay anyone to do something that you can do yourself. I genuinely struggle with the idea of paid help. A house keeper just feels like we are being lazy and I feel gives the impression that we think the jobs are beneath us. I also struggle with the concept of paying out more than I earn in salaries to other people so that I can go to work. We have a completely shared finance pot, so its not a case that it would be all my money (or all his) paying for help – but if it costs you more to go to work than you earn, why bother?( I know the answer to that, self worth, job satisfaction etc etc) Whilst our friends can see that we clearly don’t have financial worries I don’t think any of them would have the slightest idea that our income is as high as it is. We drive pretty average cars and live in a 4 bed house that isn’t flash in any way. Unless you know what an expensive suit is, you could never guess how much DH spends on his clothes. We mostly holiday in the UK or with family in Europe.

Lots of you have asked if I love him. In a way, yes. Becoming pregnant by someone you barely know isn’t the best start to any relationship. I didn’t meet him, fall madly in love, get married and then fall out of love. I care deeply about him. I have times when I’m incredibly proud of him as a Dad, a husband, my husband, and proud of us for getting this far. We have both changed (yes, I have a DH who has actually changed) because we have had to. I know no-one IRL in a blissfully happy marriage, and I know plenty of people who are miserably divorced. So I definitely don’t think the grass is greener as a single parent, and I don’t think my ‘knight’ is hiding round the corner to sweep me off my feet and spend the rest of his life fixing things in the garden or around the house. I’m not at the point yet of deciding this is so unbearable that I’m going to leave – although we have talked about separating.

@Whatsnewpussyhat So you could survive on less than £100k and your DP wants to leave a job paying half a million? Really? Walk away from his job and do nothing? Yes we could live pretty comfortably. He’s been saying for years that he wants to leave his job, but never has. He can’t think of what else he could do; sitting at home doing nothing or even being a house husband really wouldn’t suit him. And it would be him that would struggle with the drop in income, not me.

Thank you to those of you who have pointed out that you think he does a lot, especially in view of the hours he works. I did really need to hear that (that is a genuine thank you, not sarcasm).

@homeschoolchaos, thank you for the empathy.

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RandomMess · 08/04/2020 22:21

Why don't you have some therapy to deal with how you feel about it especially feeling that you shouldn't have a housekeeper.

You sound busy and knackered and feel that he doesn't value your contribution but perhaps you need to explore if it's more that you don't value your contribution?

Housekeeper come household PA, just keep the tasks that matter most to you such as shopping for birthday presents and spending time with your DC.

You both work hard long hours enjoy the fruits of your labours!

ladidadido · 08/04/2020 22:25

@Randommess ....I've been in therapy for 18 months. we've talked about lots of things, but never that!!

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RandomMess · 08/04/2020 22:26

Is it possible that low self worth is at the route of why you have needed therapy?

noyoucannotcomein · 08/04/2020 22:27

Sounds like you literally have more money than you know what to do with. What are you doing with it all? Massive retirement plans?

As for not wanting to seem like the household jobs are beneath you, someone out there would be grateful of the opportunity to do these and get paid for it. No need to feel bad about being able to afford to give someone that opportunity. But I guess the issue of paying out more than you earn is maybe a harder one to justify.

ladidadido · 08/04/2020 22:30

@RandomMess I've felt a failure my entire adult life.

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JKScot4 · 08/04/2020 22:31

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noyoucannotcomein · 08/04/2020 22:34

P.S you weren’t that religious getting pregnant to somebody you barely knew 🙄

There's a difference between coming from a religious background and being religious.

RandomMess · 08/04/2020 22:36

So are you reading your feelings into his behaviour? You are interpreting his behaviour as a criticism of you perhaps.

Ok he works very long hours and he is lazy in not recognising that all the wifework falls to you BUT it doesn't mean he doesn't value you that is your interpretation of his behaviour.

You are very successful in your own right and deserve to be happy and enjoy life. I think a housekeeper/PA is an affordable practical solution.

Do you have good friends and do you get to spend time with them? By that I mean friendships that are genuine and healthy for you?

Do you tell your DH that you recognise and appreciate how hard he works? If not, why not? Wouldn't it be nice if he told you the same thing?

Lots to discuss with your therapist!

ladidadido · 08/04/2020 22:36

@JKScot4. I hope that made you feel better. Would you say that to me if I was sitting next to you? Perhaps you can understand one of many reasons I’ve felt a failure all my adult life?

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JKScot4 · 08/04/2020 22:41

I’d say that I think you are incredibly lucky to have the life you have and not entertain your woe is me.
There are threads on here with women in awful circumstances and yours is nothing remotely like that.

waybird · 08/04/2020 22:44

You sound like you feel a bit guilty with having that income.

He sounds to me like he pulls his weight considering the hours he does, having said that I can also imagine how much is left to you as the mother and also you are working!

Def get a housekeeper/PA - trial it for a year why not? Get the right housekeeper , pay him/her well and what is there to feel
Guilty about? You are creating a job and deserve some help.

I'd get someone that does a half day on one of the days you are at home for communication and then the other says they work when you are at work so that it seamlessly runs and you
Can message her on those days easily.
I can understand why your husband what's downtime when he's not working.

And to the crappy person making you feel bad - happiness is all relative and to others the money might seem like you have nothing to worry about , but we all know life doesn't work like that.
If this pandemic teaches us something it's to try and be happy our short time on this planet and in that process try not to wreck the planet and show kindness to others.
I'd love the job as your housekeeper ;-)

RandomMess · 08/04/2020 22:44

@JKScot4 is someone that is wealthy or privileged not deserving of self worth and good mental health?

A lifetime of self-hatred is hard no matter how nice the trimmings are.

HennyPenny4 · 08/04/2020 22:44

Perhaps get some advice on financial planning for the future.
So maybe save hard for a few years so DH can retire/ change career. How much do you need for DCs future uni / housing. Do you want to work more/ less hours. You're not happy particularly with life at the moment. What should you both change? Make a plan that has pluses for both of you.

noyoucannotcomein · 08/04/2020 22:46

There are threads on here with women in awful circumstances and yours is nothing remotely like that.

There's also countless threads from people whinging because they can't get a text back, don't like their MIL, are missing eyeing up dads on the school run. Go and have a pop at one of them instead of a woman asking for advice on how to make her marriage work. Just because she's rich, doesn't mean her and her husband should be arguing fortnightly as she says and she should just suck up his attitude.

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