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can't bear his attitude to my job

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ladidadido · 08/04/2020 17:38

Married 11yrs, 2 DC 10 and 8. To save on drip feeding DC 1 was a surprise when DH and I had not be dating long. DH was not my knight in shining armour, but we decided to make the best of it. I'm from a very religious background, so that had a bearing. Marriage has been good some of the time, middling some of the time and awful some of the time.

I earn about £60k working part time (70%), DH earns just under 10 x my salary and works mostly 12 hour days M-F. Since DC were born my career has taken a huge back seat. First I went part time and then I went freelance. My working pattern (which involves working evenings and weekends) made family life difficult because DH didn't know where the children clothes lived and couldn't manage beans on toast struggled to manage small DC alone. We outsource almost everything - cleaner 2 days a week, gardener to cut the grass and hedges, and nanny on the days I'm at work. DH doesn't want to spend his down time doing chores and doesn't want me doing that either . (Having said that since the lockdown we have split the cleaning 50:50 on a Saturday and cracked through it in a couple of hours.) DH is currently working form home(so not commuting 2 hours/day). This involves me trying to keep the children quiet, homeschooling, keeping the house going, going in to do my own job 3 days a week and trying to keep on top of all the additional coronavirus stuff that need to know for my job(which is in addition to the 3 days I have to be actually at work). I have NO time for the latter- in fact I've been really struggling for about 2 years to keep on top of my job at all. This morning we have just had another argument about how he almost never does anything I ask hime to do and that impacts my job as I don't have time to do any of the non client facing stuff at home. He says he values my job. I think he only values it if it doesn't impact his life in any way. Today it started because I'd asked him several times to do something (non essential, but the kids have been going on for days about having it fixed, and it will occupy their time in lockdown) in the garden. He hasn't done it. I did it yesterday evening and then was joking with him about how once again 'his' job becomes mine and he became really angry and says that he didn't have any time to do the job and where do I think he should find the time from(he was off sat, sun and Monday). My response was my usual "where do you think I find time from?" I have never had an answer from him for that question. He always blames his job - he's just too busy to do anything he doesn't want to do. Then he suggests (again) that he gives up work so I can work full time and he can do all the things I think he should be doing. Financially we could do this. BUT, there is no way DH could run a house. I'd end up working full time AND doing all the stuff I currently do plus a whole heap more as we couldn't afford paid help. Then he said 'most of the stuff doesn't need doing anyway'. So not only does he think my job isn't important, but nothing I do in the house is worth doing either. I am so fed up with this attitude. Anything he doesn't feel like doing or doesn't notice becomes my job.I'll ask him to do stuff and he'll say he is going to do it, but several weeks later it still isn't done, I've reminded him several times and I just end up doing it. He regularly tells me that my stuff is always lying around the house. When he says 'my' stuff he means anything that isn't directly his. So all the kids stuff is 'my' stuff - uniform, books, sports equipment etc...its all 'mine' to sort and put away , the large box of grass seed that arrived a week ago and is still sitting in the hallway whilst I hope that he might ask where it needs to go and move it....thats 'mine' because I ordered it, and I will use it to cover the bare patches of lawn where he has been playing football with DC, and in his world the patches don't need covering with grass anyway. I see the grass seed as 'family' stuff, therefore he has an equal responsibility to put it away (and use it, but he is never going to use it, so I'd settle for putting it away). The pile of stuff that sits on the table - mostly kids books/drawings is 'mine' and therefore he doesn't touch it. The hose pipe that lies in a heap across the patio - I think it actually annoys him, but not sufficiently to do anything about it, so the only time it will get rolled up is once I've ordered a hose reel and wound it on myself or drilled the wall mounted one we have to the wall. I'd love to do my job better, but the only time I have to myself is once the DC have gone to bed at 8pm, by which time just want to collapse in a heap, not start working.
Before all the LTBs pop up......
1.He does work long days.How much should he be doing around the house when he is out for 12 hours and usually logs in the evening for another 2...atm is saving 2 hours commuting daily, and I do appreciate that perhaps my expectation of what he should do whilst WFH is possibly deluded and unfair. Am I being too fussy expecting him to do things like put the grass seed away or facilitate the hose not lying all over the patio?
2.he puts the bins out 😂, puts the laundry away, clears up at least 2/3 of the stuff after dinner every night (i cook), helps with or independently does bedtimes most days, makes a mean Saturday brunch.
3.He sets up and maintains EVERYTHING techie in the house (we wouldn't even have a TV if it was down to me)
4.He plays a lot of football with DC......and can even manage to pump the football up when it goes flat (although couldn't find the pump last week....because its 'mine').
5.He would happily pay for a part time house keeper to pick up all the shit he can't be bothered to, and is more than happy for me to get people in to do any job.....but the emphasis is on me. I have to get the people in. He doesn't do it.

Now he is having the inevitable post argument passive aggressive silent sulk. We argue about this at least once a fortnight atm.

Thoughts MNers?

OP posts:
ilovemydogandMrObama · 09/04/2020 10:08

I love this thread - the OP asks for genuine advice, maybe not what she wants to hear, but nevertheless is sincere and humble enough to take it on board.

Although we had enough money growing up, my dad was always against paying someone to do our, 'dirty work,' as he felt it was demeaning for them, so totally get the OP's ingrained idea that having help is to be avoided.

Maybe putting more importance on the actual ideal scene and how to achieve this than looking at either it's the OP's job or her DH's job, could possibly open up some possibilities.

And lower expectations perhaps?

MaeDanvers · 09/04/2020 10:15

Could your husband not save enough money to take some time out and figure out what he really wants to do? It sounds to me a little bit like although his job has given you a very comfortable lifestyle financially, it isn't making either of you very happy. Working 70 hours a week must mean he barely sees you or the children. And you resent picking up the jobs he is unable to do.

You said earlier money has not bought happiness for you - and it sounds like not for your husband either. I wonder whether it would be worth having a conversation with him about whether the trappings of his success are worth the sacrifices he has made?

For what it's worth, although the amount of money coming in sounds enviable, I feel sad for you because you're not happy and it seems to me like you and your husband are so busy working and trying to organise the nuts and bolts of life, you don't get much relaxed time together as a family.

GeorgianaD · 09/04/2020 10:49

Both DH and I are extremely high earners - think top 1% - and have two DC and a large home. We both work hard and travel extensively (pre COVID obviously). To ensure we get plenty of quality time with the DC, we have outsourced as much as we can: housekeeper, cleaner, gardener, window cleaner, personal assistant). Highly recommend it so you can both stay sane and connected.

Orangers · 09/04/2020 11:05

OP
I also want to add that I fully agree with the other posters and that asking for outside help (even a nearly live in housekeeper but take someone older and very kind and gentle type who becomes like an auntie or grandmother to the kids) is totally OK and will help reduce the resentment you feel and free you up to work on the issues making you unhappy.

I also had the idea that I had to do it all but have now realised my DH prefers a happier me, paying a cleaner, and some things not done so we have time at the weekend to cuddle in bed. Make each other feel loved and important: if that becomes your priority then everything else naturally improves and also your relationships with the children will improve.

Orangers · 09/04/2020 11:08

By the way, start small and pounce on every tiny good thing. “Thank you for helping me put away the lunch dishes”. “I really love when you take the kids out for an hour” . Delivered with a kiss if he is a touchy geeky type. Or a reassuring look and smile. A hand held across the table.

Orangers · 09/04/2020 11:08

Sorry : touchy feely type

CaroleFuckinBaskin · 09/04/2020 11:12

Christ you're rich! Lend us a tenner?

This was pretty much my only thought as I read the OP 😂

billy1966 · 09/04/2020 11:49

OP, lots of mixed responses.
The things that jump out at me are the following.

You initially complain that he doesn't value YOUR job.
I think YOU don't value your career enough.
Unlike many women you can get as much help as ye need so that you can focus on work.

It's clear that whilst you care about your husband, you are neither in love with him or deeply love him.

You married him out of expectation and that is very tough, because love is what often cushions the irritation that living together over time can bring.

I think your husband does work hard, long days, and he does contribute.

I get that this is not enough for you.

I think you definitely have the ick for him.

If I were you I would take time to have a good hard look at yourself and what your expectations are of him and your refusal to just get lots of help. You know its your issue...what are you doing about that?

What do YOU really want for the future, what you really want for your children?

I don't think your husband can fix the fact that you married him despite not loving him.

He possibly knows this and ye are house mates, rather than a couple.

You married for religious reasons, how will divorce figure in all that?

I think if you can focus on you really want as a future, this would really help you.

I would sit down with your husband and decide on getting in as much as required.

Housekeeper/house PA to lighten the load as soon as things return to normal.

In the interim talk to him about working as a team together to get ye through this time.

If he really refuses to work as a team, then I think you will have some additional information to help you make a decision regarding your future and how you handle it.

Wishing you the bestFlowers

Orangers · 09/04/2020 12:12

Another way to enhance meaning in your lives could be to use some of the extra cash you earn to sponsor the less privileged members of your community. Could you get to know the team at the local soup kitchen and help them out with money for materials or food or use the money to renovate some run down properties and rent them out at a favourable rate... if you have the gift of earning the money you can have the pleasure of spending it to improve others lives.

Washyourhandsyoufilthyanimal · 09/04/2020 12:18

He doesn’t sounds great, but not the worst. I think the crux of it is you don’t love him so your less willing to overlook his flaws (to which there are many!)

Shitsgettingcrazy · 09/04/2020 18:00

My DM drilled into me that you don’t pay anyone to do something that you can do yourself. I genuinely struggle with the idea of paid help.

Did she also drill it into you that a good husband is someone who would do take those jobs from you.

If you want to do the jobs yourself, that's one thing. But taking them on but expecting him to actually do then is another thing.

I am just wondering if theres even more to the 'dont pay someone to do something if you can do it yourself'. Is your mum one of those people that takes tasks on or decided she wants something doing, then passes it off on someone else?

RandomMess · 09/04/2020 18:17

@ladidadido I could be projecting here but another thought worth a ponder.

Is your sub-conscious constantly looking for reasons to back your belief that you are worthless? Is your sub-conscious actively deciding that these things your DH does or doesn't do are only because you are worthless?

I think it could be a possibility and even if your DH did 99 things affirming your worth you would only see the one thing that you twist into it meaning he thinks you are worthless too.

It sounds like your core belief is that you are a failure and it's actually too scary to try and consider that isn't true.

You see a "good enough marriage" as a failure!

You see your DH not doing "his" jobs as you being a failure rather than him not placing the same value on them as you, does that mean you have "failed" to make him agree with you.

If you have a very faulty core belief it is so very difficult to change it and I wonder if your therapist isn't the right one of you, I also wonder if you need to ask your DH to be on board with helping you change?

missnevermind · 09/04/2020 18:55

If you lived I other countries and earned those types of salaries it would be your duty to have staff. It would mean that you were enabling another family or 2 or 3 to gain employment have a salary

TheTiaraManager · 10/04/2020 15:31

I think pay for help once COVID is under control.

comingintomyown · 10/04/2020 16:04

Perhaps when your mother was drilling that ethos into you OP she didn’t foresee an annual income such as yours . Her teachings might have stood you in good stead but in the end haven’t been needed.
I do understand a bit about being uncomfortable about your income but this is about making your life run nicely and it would appear keeping your marriage intact not getting paid help so you can boast to everyone about how your housekeeper is a godsend

funnylittlefloozie · 10/04/2020 16:49

I would willingly pay for help if it saved my marriage, and freed us both up to spend the very very limited quality time available to us with the kids.

ShagMeRiggins · 11/04/2020 17:03

I think you definitely have the ick for him.

Nothing against the poster who wrote this, but “the ick” has been raised to “Mumsnet Wisdom” in recent months, especially the idea that once one get “the ick” it’s all over.

I couldn’t disagree more. Perhaps in dating situations it’s an early alert to end things, but if we’re talking about partnerships and marriages over decades, “the ick” will likely happen but not be a dealbreaker.

I wish posters would stop mentioning this as gospel, as well as citing “karma is a bitch” and other easy-to-type-but-not-helpful phrases.

Human beings are rich and varied in their differences. One size does not fit all. It’s amazing we get such a range of experiences, circumstances, and opinions here, but less soundbite, less chip, and more thought (sauce) would be welcome.

OP, you’ve been given some great advice and much to think about, as you’ve acknowledged. I hope it works out for y’all.

RandomMess · 18/04/2020 15:53

@ladidadido how are you?

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