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can't bear his attitude to my job

143 replies

ladidadido · 08/04/2020 17:38

Married 11yrs, 2 DC 10 and 8. To save on drip feeding DC 1 was a surprise when DH and I had not be dating long. DH was not my knight in shining armour, but we decided to make the best of it. I'm from a very religious background, so that had a bearing. Marriage has been good some of the time, middling some of the time and awful some of the time.

I earn about £60k working part time (70%), DH earns just under 10 x my salary and works mostly 12 hour days M-F. Since DC were born my career has taken a huge back seat. First I went part time and then I went freelance. My working pattern (which involves working evenings and weekends) made family life difficult because DH didn't know where the children clothes lived and couldn't manage beans on toast struggled to manage small DC alone. We outsource almost everything - cleaner 2 days a week, gardener to cut the grass and hedges, and nanny on the days I'm at work. DH doesn't want to spend his down time doing chores and doesn't want me doing that either . (Having said that since the lockdown we have split the cleaning 50:50 on a Saturday and cracked through it in a couple of hours.) DH is currently working form home(so not commuting 2 hours/day). This involves me trying to keep the children quiet, homeschooling, keeping the house going, going in to do my own job 3 days a week and trying to keep on top of all the additional coronavirus stuff that need to know for my job(which is in addition to the 3 days I have to be actually at work). I have NO time for the latter- in fact I've been really struggling for about 2 years to keep on top of my job at all. This morning we have just had another argument about how he almost never does anything I ask hime to do and that impacts my job as I don't have time to do any of the non client facing stuff at home. He says he values my job. I think he only values it if it doesn't impact his life in any way. Today it started because I'd asked him several times to do something (non essential, but the kids have been going on for days about having it fixed, and it will occupy their time in lockdown) in the garden. He hasn't done it. I did it yesterday evening and then was joking with him about how once again 'his' job becomes mine and he became really angry and says that he didn't have any time to do the job and where do I think he should find the time from(he was off sat, sun and Monday). My response was my usual "where do you think I find time from?" I have never had an answer from him for that question. He always blames his job - he's just too busy to do anything he doesn't want to do. Then he suggests (again) that he gives up work so I can work full time and he can do all the things I think he should be doing. Financially we could do this. BUT, there is no way DH could run a house. I'd end up working full time AND doing all the stuff I currently do plus a whole heap more as we couldn't afford paid help. Then he said 'most of the stuff doesn't need doing anyway'. So not only does he think my job isn't important, but nothing I do in the house is worth doing either. I am so fed up with this attitude. Anything he doesn't feel like doing or doesn't notice becomes my job.I'll ask him to do stuff and he'll say he is going to do it, but several weeks later it still isn't done, I've reminded him several times and I just end up doing it. He regularly tells me that my stuff is always lying around the house. When he says 'my' stuff he means anything that isn't directly his. So all the kids stuff is 'my' stuff - uniform, books, sports equipment etc...its all 'mine' to sort and put away , the large box of grass seed that arrived a week ago and is still sitting in the hallway whilst I hope that he might ask where it needs to go and move it....thats 'mine' because I ordered it, and I will use it to cover the bare patches of lawn where he has been playing football with DC, and in his world the patches don't need covering with grass anyway. I see the grass seed as 'family' stuff, therefore he has an equal responsibility to put it away (and use it, but he is never going to use it, so I'd settle for putting it away). The pile of stuff that sits on the table - mostly kids books/drawings is 'mine' and therefore he doesn't touch it. The hose pipe that lies in a heap across the patio - I think it actually annoys him, but not sufficiently to do anything about it, so the only time it will get rolled up is once I've ordered a hose reel and wound it on myself or drilled the wall mounted one we have to the wall. I'd love to do my job better, but the only time I have to myself is once the DC have gone to bed at 8pm, by which time just want to collapse in a heap, not start working.
Before all the LTBs pop up......
1.He does work long days.How much should he be doing around the house when he is out for 12 hours and usually logs in the evening for another 2...atm is saving 2 hours commuting daily, and I do appreciate that perhaps my expectation of what he should do whilst WFH is possibly deluded and unfair. Am I being too fussy expecting him to do things like put the grass seed away or facilitate the hose not lying all over the patio?
2.he puts the bins out 😂, puts the laundry away, clears up at least 2/3 of the stuff after dinner every night (i cook), helps with or independently does bedtimes most days, makes a mean Saturday brunch.
3.He sets up and maintains EVERYTHING techie in the house (we wouldn't even have a TV if it was down to me)
4.He plays a lot of football with DC......and can even manage to pump the football up when it goes flat (although couldn't find the pump last week....because its 'mine').
5.He would happily pay for a part time house keeper to pick up all the shit he can't be bothered to, and is more than happy for me to get people in to do any job.....but the emphasis is on me. I have to get the people in. He doesn't do it.

Now he is having the inevitable post argument passive aggressive silent sulk. We argue about this at least once a fortnight atm.

Thoughts MNers?

OP posts:
Oblomov20 · 08/04/2020 18:30

You are fucking crazy. you are doing a part-time job for £70K? Wtf?

and he earns 10 times that? Shock

then for fuck's sake woman you're never going to change him. so hire more help- hire a chef, hire a housekeeper, hire a nanny : to put away all the 'kids' books away!
and garden maintenance man.

are you crazy? Is this a joke?
I can't believe I'm reading this shit.

user1635896324685367 · 08/04/2020 18:31

So when he's not being Disney dad anything child related is your job and he can't be arsed?

Does he value you?

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 08/04/2020 18:31

With that income there should only be downtime when you and he aren't working.

Spend 25k pa on a ft housekeeper who lives in and does whatever you need.

madcatladyforever · 08/04/2020 18:33

Well you have two choices really.

Men never change. Never ever no matter how much you cajole or argue.

You have to decide whether to stay or end the marriage. Really weigh it up.

Both my husbands earned much much less than me but somehow chores, childcare and all household tasks were my responsibility as the housemaid.

I decided to live on my own permanently because I cannot live with men like this without committing a munder.

There are many pros and cons to this.

You need to decide if the pros outweigh the cons.

YippeeKayakOtherBuckets · 08/04/2020 18:35

This is madness. You shouldn’t be bickering about household chores with two whopping great incomes.

Just get a housekeeper.

permana · 08/04/2020 18:36

Definitely get staff:

Housekeeper/cook
Nanny
Gardener

Like most pp I wouldn't be doing housework at the weekend/evening if I could afford not too.

What do you spend your money on?

Nanny0gg · 08/04/2020 18:37

If you work part-time and he works ridiculous hours, why can't you just employ the staff you need and you manage them/the housekeeper?

Why don't you actually enjoy having that kind of money?

Whatsnewpussyhat · 08/04/2020 18:43

So you could survive on less than £100k and your DP wants to leave a job paying half a million? Really? Walk away from his job and do nothing?

On your money I'd pay someone to do the shit he won't do. Handyman/gardener/cleaner etc.

noyoucannotcomein · 08/04/2020 18:43

Your income per month is far more than mine is per year! And I'm sure I'm not alone.

Not having a dig, OP. Fair play to you both. But the salaries on here blow my mind at times.

Tell him you want a trial separation and see how he gets on then without having his backside wiped for him, plus having to wipe for the DC's

NoMoreDickheads · 08/04/2020 18:49

With him bringing that kind of money in I honestly wouldn't complain about lack of housework.. Grin Grin Grin

Just hire/get him to hire people for more hours.

The only thing I might be a bit dissatisfied with is if he's out for 12 hours 5 days a week he mightn't see the DC much in the evenings.

If you want to work more for some reason, you could do it, esp if he was getting more people in to cover the jobs.

Thingsdogetbetter · 08/04/2020 18:57

There is nothing jokey about saying once again you had to do his job. It's a very passive aggressive dig. Not a joke.

I think you've both forgotten to like each other and how to communicate. It's all become digs, sulks, silly threats of being shp (him) and secret tests (you).

You acknowledge that he's working extremely long days, but you still expect him to do little things like sort out the garden hose. You've decided that his job and you're testing him to see if he cares and appreciate you. Except he doesn't know it's a test. He thinks it's just a garden hose.

This seems like complete communication break down. You're hiding behind tasks and tests when actually you want acknowledgement. Are you afraid to use your words? Tell him what's going on. Not just that you want this done or that done. But WHY it's important to you for him to do them.

Namenic · 08/04/2020 19:03

The problem is that you have different priorities/standards. You consider bald patches in the garden as a problem and he doesn’t - because he can live with them. You want kids to have xyz, he thinks kids can do without. Whoever can tolerate the most, has the least problems.

I don’t think it’s that he does not value your job- it’s just that he probably thinks you create work for yourself because you want to do a lot of stuff around the house which he considers unnecessary.

You would not think tv is necessary but he does, so he deals with it. Of course ideally he would do things to keep you happy (even if he doesn’t think they are important) - because it is nice and loving. But in absence of that, do consider hiring people to help (though maybe after corona?).

yatapina · 08/04/2020 19:03

Did I miss the part about his attitude to your job, i.e. your original point? 🤔

Ignoring that part I can't help but think people are missing the point due to your income - money isn't everything. We earn less than 1/5 of your salary but it doesn't matter because thankfully, DH and I are happy.

You sound miserable - all your positive points about him are related to the help he gives you to run a shared family home and the time he spends with his kids. Those are pretty basic redeeming features! What I don't see is any mention of how he treats you (other than as a doormat) or how much you care for him.

No amount of money can buy happiness or affection. I think you need to cast all that aside and ask yourself if you are genuinely happy to spend the rest of your life with this bloke. From the outside, it sounds like a miserable existence.

pleasepleasepleasehelp · 08/04/2020 19:03
Biscuit
Bookoffacts · 08/04/2020 19:04

Your extremely rich and annoying too. Poor me with all your money...
Try surviving on 22k for the whole household ( with good uni degree and very hardworking.)
Get a bloody nanny and housekeeper and stop being so awful.
You've ruined my peace.

homeschoolchaos · 08/04/2020 19:06

I get it. We have similar here. I earn about half as much as you, and DH about 5x what I earn. And we have some of the same attitude issues, especially around being fussy about how much of ‘my’ stuff is lying around and being immune to his own stuff. I think my DH is a bit neater than yours though as he would never leave a hose trailing and is really good at random odd jobs and diy around the house. I too am wearied by this lockdown chaos and the way my job is deemed less important than his (it is actually but I still need to do my work). My biggest issue is around the perpetual providing of food that is happening right now.

As above, your main options are to decide how long you can put up with this and act accordingly. He isn’t going to change, not really. You could get more help, but it can be a hassle. Ultimately I guess you have to make the decision on whether other aspects of your lifestyle make up for him being a bit of an inconsiderate twerp

Bridecilla · 08/04/2020 19:08

Farm it out. Get him to recruit and pay a 'handy person' one day a week or once a fortnight.

Bookoffacts · 08/04/2020 19:10

If you divorce send him my way. I'll have him in a flash!
He does more round the house than most men and earns millions!

73Sunglasslover · 08/04/2020 19:12

If I understand correctly, you work around 28 hours a week and he works around 70 (14 hours a day for 5 days). Is that right?

My thoughts were that yes, if you order the lawn seed, it is yours.

As to whether the kids things are yours - have you ever sat down and thought through together how you will manage the time that you have as a team? if he is working 2.5 times more hours that you then it may be that he assumes you are picking up more kids stuff.

You have higher standards than him so it's not so much that he wants you to do more, it's that he doesn't want to do more himself and isn't too fussed whether things get tidied away or not.

I think the 'joke' about doing his job was no joke and I suspect he reacted to that slightly passive aggressive stance.

But is also sounds like you are feeling overwhelmed and need him to think with you about how you both are going to rise to the current challenges. One thing our schools said is you are NOT homeschooling. You are just trying to engage kids and do whatever small bits you can. You must make sure your standards are suitably realistic as that could manage one of the stresses on both of you.

Josette77 · 08/04/2020 19:13

I'll take him!! I don't see the problem. He works a ton, earns a ton, and helps out everyday.

ruthieness · 08/04/2020 19:14

The issue is not that your job is less important than his job - the issue is that YOU are less important than him. Getting staff to do stuff will just enable him to sideline you even more....

titchy · 08/04/2020 19:18

There seems to be two things going on. The practical and the relationship.

The practical can be sorted - not with lockdown, but I'd guess that working PT with kids at school then you would normally have time to arrange stuff. So phone a few agencies and get a housekeeper or PA.

Second though is your relationship. Do you love him? Do you feel valued by him? Is your relationship a good role model for your dc?

Don't be afraid to leave him if you think the marriage is over.

WickedlyPetite · 08/04/2020 19:26

So much passive aggression from you...

I did it yesterday evening and then was joking with him about how once again 'his' job becomes mine

the large box of grass seed that arrived a week ago and is still sitting in the hallway whilst I hope that he might ask where it needs to go and move it....thats 'mine' because I ordered it

Then you go on to list all the stuff he does do and honestly, for someone working working 12 hours a day, he does a lot.

With the joint earnings you have, you can outsource almost everything.

If you need someone to do paragraphs, I'm available at £60 per hour.

Wereeaglesdare · 08/04/2020 19:30

I have to ask what do you both work as?!

How is this even a problem. I'm sure someone who has Just lost their job will be more than happy to take on any jobs u need doing. As everyone else said just get help for the annoying jobs.

MikeUniformMike · 08/04/2020 19:44

OP. he does quite a lot compared to some men.

You are in the fortunate position of being able to afford assistance.
Get a housekeeper, a nanny and a PA.

Might you have made these jobs yours? (it's a question not an accusation) Might it be that you seem to not find what he does good enough so he leaves you to it?

What do you want?