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can't bear his attitude to my job

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ladidadido · 08/04/2020 17:38

Married 11yrs, 2 DC 10 and 8. To save on drip feeding DC 1 was a surprise when DH and I had not be dating long. DH was not my knight in shining armour, but we decided to make the best of it. I'm from a very religious background, so that had a bearing. Marriage has been good some of the time, middling some of the time and awful some of the time.

I earn about £60k working part time (70%), DH earns just under 10 x my salary and works mostly 12 hour days M-F. Since DC were born my career has taken a huge back seat. First I went part time and then I went freelance. My working pattern (which involves working evenings and weekends) made family life difficult because DH didn't know where the children clothes lived and couldn't manage beans on toast struggled to manage small DC alone. We outsource almost everything - cleaner 2 days a week, gardener to cut the grass and hedges, and nanny on the days I'm at work. DH doesn't want to spend his down time doing chores and doesn't want me doing that either . (Having said that since the lockdown we have split the cleaning 50:50 on a Saturday and cracked through it in a couple of hours.) DH is currently working form home(so not commuting 2 hours/day). This involves me trying to keep the children quiet, homeschooling, keeping the house going, going in to do my own job 3 days a week and trying to keep on top of all the additional coronavirus stuff that need to know for my job(which is in addition to the 3 days I have to be actually at work). I have NO time for the latter- in fact I've been really struggling for about 2 years to keep on top of my job at all. This morning we have just had another argument about how he almost never does anything I ask hime to do and that impacts my job as I don't have time to do any of the non client facing stuff at home. He says he values my job. I think he only values it if it doesn't impact his life in any way. Today it started because I'd asked him several times to do something (non essential, but the kids have been going on for days about having it fixed, and it will occupy their time in lockdown) in the garden. He hasn't done it. I did it yesterday evening and then was joking with him about how once again 'his' job becomes mine and he became really angry and says that he didn't have any time to do the job and where do I think he should find the time from(he was off sat, sun and Monday). My response was my usual "where do you think I find time from?" I have never had an answer from him for that question. He always blames his job - he's just too busy to do anything he doesn't want to do. Then he suggests (again) that he gives up work so I can work full time and he can do all the things I think he should be doing. Financially we could do this. BUT, there is no way DH could run a house. I'd end up working full time AND doing all the stuff I currently do plus a whole heap more as we couldn't afford paid help. Then he said 'most of the stuff doesn't need doing anyway'. So not only does he think my job isn't important, but nothing I do in the house is worth doing either. I am so fed up with this attitude. Anything he doesn't feel like doing or doesn't notice becomes my job.I'll ask him to do stuff and he'll say he is going to do it, but several weeks later it still isn't done, I've reminded him several times and I just end up doing it. He regularly tells me that my stuff is always lying around the house. When he says 'my' stuff he means anything that isn't directly his. So all the kids stuff is 'my' stuff - uniform, books, sports equipment etc...its all 'mine' to sort and put away , the large box of grass seed that arrived a week ago and is still sitting in the hallway whilst I hope that he might ask where it needs to go and move it....thats 'mine' because I ordered it, and I will use it to cover the bare patches of lawn where he has been playing football with DC, and in his world the patches don't need covering with grass anyway. I see the grass seed as 'family' stuff, therefore he has an equal responsibility to put it away (and use it, but he is never going to use it, so I'd settle for putting it away). The pile of stuff that sits on the table - mostly kids books/drawings is 'mine' and therefore he doesn't touch it. The hose pipe that lies in a heap across the patio - I think it actually annoys him, but not sufficiently to do anything about it, so the only time it will get rolled up is once I've ordered a hose reel and wound it on myself or drilled the wall mounted one we have to the wall. I'd love to do my job better, but the only time I have to myself is once the DC have gone to bed at 8pm, by which time just want to collapse in a heap, not start working.
Before all the LTBs pop up......
1.He does work long days.How much should he be doing around the house when he is out for 12 hours and usually logs in the evening for another 2...atm is saving 2 hours commuting daily, and I do appreciate that perhaps my expectation of what he should do whilst WFH is possibly deluded and unfair. Am I being too fussy expecting him to do things like put the grass seed away or facilitate the hose not lying all over the patio?
2.he puts the bins out 😂, puts the laundry away, clears up at least 2/3 of the stuff after dinner every night (i cook), helps with or independently does bedtimes most days, makes a mean Saturday brunch.
3.He sets up and maintains EVERYTHING techie in the house (we wouldn't even have a TV if it was down to me)
4.He plays a lot of football with DC......and can even manage to pump the football up when it goes flat (although couldn't find the pump last week....because its 'mine').
5.He would happily pay for a part time house keeper to pick up all the shit he can't be bothered to, and is more than happy for me to get people in to do any job.....but the emphasis is on me. I have to get the people in. He doesn't do it.

Now he is having the inevitable post argument passive aggressive silent sulk. We argue about this at least once a fortnight atm.

Thoughts MNers?

OP posts:
Starlight1243 · 08/04/2020 22:48

Tbh op you never loved him you resent him and it shows in you're posts. You had a choice you didnt have to marry him.

Musti · 08/04/2020 22:49

My brother and his wife have a housekeeper that comes every weekday between 7-4 and does all the cleaning, washing, shopping and cooking. My sil discusses what needs doing with her every so often and they also have a gardener. They are both very busy working and when they're off they want to relax and chill with their chicken. That's what you should do. Don't feel guilty about paying other people to do the jobs you don't have time or don't want to do, these people are delighted to be employed. And we all outsource stuff we can't do or don't want to do all the time, just when it's traditional womens jobs we feel guilty about it.

Musti · 08/04/2020 22:50

Children not chicken

noyoucannotcomein · 08/04/2020 22:51

when they're off they want to relax and chill with their chicken.

How big is their fridge?!

ladidadido · 08/04/2020 22:54

@JKScot4. I learned a valuable lesson years ago. I had some chronic pain and it was paying up badly. I was on a palliative care placement (ie all the clients dying of cancer). I said nothing until one day a physio noticed I was in pain. She was horrified that I hadn’t mentioned it earlier. I told her that I didn’t feel able to as it was just pain and it would go away. I wasn’t dying. She told me it was my pain and it was real to me and it mattered.
I’m sorry that you don’t like my thread because my husband hasn’t beaten me up, thrown me out and hidden all our money in an offshore account. I’m not for one second suggesting that there aren’t people in far worse situations than me. But today, this is my problem. And some lovely MNers have taken time to share empathy and advice, for which I’m very grateful.

OP posts:
Mammyloveswine · 08/04/2020 22:58

What jobs do you both do??? Asking for a friend of course...

I can't imagine what part time job would bring in 60 grand nor what full time could bring in half a million!!

If I won that sum as a one off it would change my life!!!

Good grief!!

RandomMess · 08/04/2020 23:00

You somehow need to find your self-worth from within.

To recognise your successes - keeping a house going whilst having a responsible job isn't "easy", nor is having a husband that is absent most of the week - little energy left in either of you to maintain a relationship.

For as long as you look to your DH to validate your self worth you will feel crushed and angry at him. You would probably gain more by asking him to tell you why he is proud of you and what does he think you do well rather than thinking "if he put the DC stuff away I would feel more appreciated"

I think his attitude isn't good in terms of he sees it all as your job but he physically isn't around to do it. I think you may have more success in asking him to stop moaning about the DC mess and you will stop moaning at him about x.

Can you have a discussion about you both consciously not having the same argument?

Tadgh · 08/04/2020 23:11

Op I totally get not wanting to pay for jobs you can do yourself.

I think it's really common amongst people who grew up working class (or in my case, below!) and then come into money.

For example I've never paid a decorator or someone to lay flooring in my life - taught myself to do it!

I could probably easily afford a cleaner now but I won't do it, because that's not what working class people do.

BUT having a business has made me start to do the maths a bit more. If my hourly rate is £60 it makes no sense to clean when I could make £60 and pay someone else £15.

Also on your point about not being worth it for your job. You acknowledged job satisfaction as a reason to continue but really - having your own financial security is so important. Lots of women give up high paying careers to support their DHs... and then the midlife crisis comes along and they get shafted. Don't do it. Keep your job. Even if you earn £60k and your "bill" comes to £60k, it's still worth it because you are building security for yourself.

MikeUniformMike · 08/04/2020 23:16

I'm not an expert or in any way qualified to answer other than I am a human being, and I am trying to be objective.

OP, your 'mistake' was to mention figures - the figures are way beyond most people's dreams, and aren't all that that relevant here.

Other than you have more than enough, the problem isn't the money is it. It's that you are having to be mum, wife, housekeeper and have a demanding job that eats into your work-life-home balance, but if dismissed as 'part-time'. Many part time jobs are full time on part time pay

Your DH, although he has a very demanding job, isn't juggling these roles.

The knight in shining armour/prince charming stuff is a load of nonsense. Forget that, you have a good man and your marriage almost certainly be fixed.

If you earn what you do, you have probably worked very hard to get there. It isn't a hobby or pin money.

I think you need to think about counselling both as an individual to find what you want, and as a couple to work out how you and DH can get back on track.

As an outsider, I think you might be wanting recognition that you are You, that you want your career to be valued. Could you get a nanny and housekeeper and go full time?

(I know you can't because of CV but once that's not an issue)

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NoMoreDickheads · 08/04/2020 23:32

if it costs you more to go to work than you earn, why bother

Don't worry, it's not going to cost you 70k to hire people to help out. Not unless you choose to hire some celebrity cleaner or whatever.

mochojoes · 08/04/2020 23:49

Why are you arguing about grass seed? get the gardener to do it

rvby · 08/04/2020 23:49

@ladidadido

My DM drilled into me that you don’t pay anyone to do something that you can do yourself. I genuinely struggle with the idea of paid help.

Honestly, you are the one with the issues in this specific scenario.

You are the 1%. I mean that in the nicest possible way. You are staggeringly wealthy. Are there wealthier people than you? Sure, that's true of everyone on earth except one person. But as it stands, your family pulls in such an eye watering amount of money that it is almost unethical not to redistribute it to other people.

I say that as a high earner myself - my household income is in the top 3% in my country (non UK, first world), and even so, it is a third of what your household earns.

You're pissed off about grass seed in the entry way when your family pulls in close to a million pounds a year???

Think about how much money you are hoarding, simply in service of your ego! Really think about that!! Do you think you are virtuous for doing all housework and organizing yourself? Please be honest with yourself...!

I am from a developing nation. Where I am from, if you are as wealthy as this and do your own housework, you are seen as stealing from someone who needs work.

Use your therapy time to ask yourself why you predicate your self worth on whether you scrub your own toilet and organize your children's school bags....!!

You could employ a full time housekeeper for under 20k a year, for goodness sake.... Is that not worth your happiness? Your DH doesn't sound perfect but Christ alive he definitely sounds like someone who is trying... Don't you want to be happy??

mochojoes · 08/04/2020 23:51

Also my aunt had a housekeeper, yes agg to hire the right one but then that's it they organise the cleaner, nanny etc & run everything. I dream of one!

mochojoes · 08/04/2020 23:56

Even if you earn £60k and your "bill" comes to £60k, it's still worth it because you are building security for yourself

I totally agree with this.

tarasmalatarocks · 09/04/2020 00:18

You sound a very nice person OP, I hope you are a doctor !! Can I ask though if you do only work 3 days, (and in all honesty are really well paid for 3 days a week) why do you feel you can’t cope , what is it you feel you can’t cope with? As to be it sounds ideal, is it the fact that you feel that he feels your job is secondary? Because if you are a doctor and I suspect he works in the city or hedge funder or something similar, then I know whose job is actually more valuable to society and he needs to get his head out his arse.

popsydoodle4444 · 09/04/2020 00:30

@ladidadido

Set aside the finances;the kids;the stuff with the house.

Is it really these issues that are bugging you or is it him in general?

I'm going to be completely honest here;it sounds as though you both "settled" for each other.If you hadn't have gotten pregnant can you truly say he would have been "the one".

It sounds as though you married mr right now instead of your mr right

TheBeastInMsRooneysRoom · 09/04/2020 00:41

If he does plan to quit work and show you how it's done at home, I would suggest you spend a year living on your income only and putting his in investments. At least that way it will provide some income longterm and he'll have realistic idea of the downsize in budget before doing anything he regrets. DO NOT GIVE UP YOUR JOB. You just need some outside help. It might not be time to recruit now, but you could spend this time working out where the help would be most valuable. It might not even mean someone in your house - maybe you use a laundry service, get home cooked food delivered, tutors for kids homework. There are ways to buy time and headspace back outside of a cleaner.

Poppybeaumydarlinggirl · 09/04/2020 01:04

Please let us know what jobs you both do I’m intrigued. Money can’t buy happiness but financial security is something many many people can only dream off. Wish you luck op

LesFleursDuMal · 09/04/2020 01:31

So let me get this straight. Your husband:

  1. Works 12 hours a day + 2hour commute 5 days a week. That's 14 hours/day. He's left with 10 hours for everything else, including sleep.
  2. Earns an absolute ton of money
  3. After 14 hours a day out of the house (working, not partying) he still manages to: 'puts the bins out 😂, puts the laundry away, clears up at least 2/3 of the stuff after dinner every night (i cook), helps with or independently does bedtimes most days, makes a mean Saturday brunch. He sets up and maintains EVERYTHING techie in the house (we wouldn't even have a TV if it was down to me). He plays a lot of football with DC'.
  4. He doesn't mind and even actively encourages you to hire every possible help needed, so you and him won't need to lift a finger about the house ever again.
  5. He will pay for the above help.

And you're nagging him about some seed box and whatnot?

Um. Ok. If he'd come to post here, I'd tell him to LTB.

ladamanera · 09/04/2020 04:34

What Rvby says.
I feel so sorry for your husband. I am a woman in a similar 12 hour a day role to him and I couldn’t bear to come home to this nonsense. I’d be heartbroken if someone wrote so coldly about me.

Leaving the seeds in the hall as a test to be appreciated, indeed...
Your personal mistake in “making the best of marrying him” means he has a miserable, passive aggressive, unloving wife. It’s his one life too. Why should your issues dominate It?

Your issues of self-hatred mean he gets tested every day, but even it he bested the tests you trip him up with; you still dont love him, -- and feel sorry for yourself being around him— so what's the point?

He works 12 hours a day. And at home... yet your inadequacy around his money means he gets nagged about chores he really shouldnt be worrying about because you’d rather hide/hoard your money (what trickle down effect?!) than pay people an honest day’s work to do domestic jobs (vital and dignified jobs by the way, in which there is a lot of pride and which don’t deserve your applied nimbypimby shame).

There is no badge of honour in projecting your regret and selfhatred like lightbeams all around your house. Thats not keeping a home, either. A home needs love And kindness more than it needs a tidy bloody hose reel. you are letting your personal regret and frankly- meanness, in both senses- infect both your lives, and if you are not careful your childrens too.

it quite clearly the part-timer’s job to organise the housekeeper by the way and also it doesnt take that long. Mine is fantastic and a respected member of my household who does magic I have no idea how to do - she is not doing “shitwork” she creates the beauty and order she is good at that allows me to work hard at what I am good at, and through that work employ other people and benefit many families from one salary.

Maybe yours could free Up some of this resentment time for you to do some volunteering or other service and get a sense of perspective. On your sense of “failure”. Don’t indulge it. That way only further unhappiness lies.
let him have some fun in his time off for gods sake.
And move the bloody hose.

Shitsgettingcrazy · 09/04/2020 04:50

If dp ordered something and then told me it was my job to sort it when it turned up, I would tell him to piss off

Given the situation, I think he does quite a bit.

You say this I’m sorry if I’m your first example of money not buying happiness.

Thats a load of bollocks. Money doesn't buy happiness. But it does mean you have options to make the situation better.

If you issue is that you feel uncomfortable hiring people and he isnt. Why should he pick up all the jobs you demand of him? When theres another viable alternative?

I cant really see that this has anything to do with your job. It seems that you have a set way you expect him to be, you also want him to live by your standards and what suits your feelings in the situation and he simply disagrees and wants to do it differently. I also suspect he thinks you make more work for yourself, then try and palm some of it off on him.

CurryGoat · 09/04/2020 05:58

OP, I get the feeling the real issue is not about your DH pulling his weight (tbh, it sounds he doing a good amount around the home). I get the impression you don’t feel as if you deserve to be so well off. Do you feel like a phoney? Having a deeply religious background can also bring about a fair share of issues, a sense of guilt.

9millioncansofbeans · 09/04/2020 06:21

I’m surprised by the amount of people who say they wouldn’t expect him to do a thing around house due to his salary.
Someone posted on here about your communication with each other and I do agree with that.
I don’t think it matters what your salaries are. He is normally out of the house 14 hours a day so he is not physically around normally to get much done. Even if he earns minimum wage he’s still out the house the same amount of them.
You are at home more so he expects you so do a higher share of house and kids stuff than him. If you don’t agree with that you could work full time too so you are both equally unable to contribute and then have to share things equally? Or have the conversation properly about what to both expect and want.

Oblomov20 · 09/04/2020 06:26

Is this a classic case of low self esteem?

Some of the posts have made me laugh: "if he'd posted I'd have told him to LTB" Grin

I'm starting to run out of patience with woe-is-me OP now, sorry.

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