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Feel like husband doesn't care

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Chickencuddle · 03/03/2020 12:22

Feel like his priorities are football and sex and then the kids and everything else and then me at the bottom. I know I sound like a spoiled brat. But I dont need much. Just feel like he doesnt care about me.
For example I have been very poorly recently ended up in a and e and still feeling very ill on the way home from A and E he grabbed my hand and made me touch his boner. I was like why have you got a boner now. He was just like "can you sort it out for me."
The kids were asleep in the back but could have woken up at any minute. I said no u felt awful and anyway the kids are in the back and it's not right to do hat when they are there.
He was all aww you could just Bob your head down or use your hand and be discreet.
Etc.
I was talking seriously the other day about going back to work to help with Bill's etc. Maybe doing a short course to get back into work. He wasnt really listening and then just said
Aye well you dont have to sell your body in the meantime.
I was like what? As if I would ever do that and I just feel like that's all he thinks I'm good for.
Asked him to watch the kids for an hour the other day because I was feeling so ill I thought I might pass out and he just complained about not being able to watch football.
The only time he hugs me or is nice to me is if he wants something.
Everything is a sexual innuendo and always dry humping me. I just feel like a piece of meat someti.es and just wish he would back off. Let me get better and be caring.
Am I being a brat or what?

OP posts:
OliviaBenson · 09/04/2020 12:58

He hasn't stopped forcing you to have sex though op- you have given countless examples on here of just that very recently.,

It's the cycle of abuse and I think he's sensed a change in you so he's now reeling you back in. The fact that you say he stopped forcing sex on you is telling.

I know you desperately want to put all of this back in a box and keep it closed but you can't. You are in a very abusive relationship and you need to make plans to leave. I know it's scary.

Epona1 · 09/04/2020 13:14

So he’s made ‘suggestive threat remarks with a knife, and now said that the only thing worse than having an affair is murdering your partner?

And yet you still make excuses for this person and how wonderful he is.

I really pity your poor children. So when he starts this abuse on them, what excuses are you going to come up with then to defend this amazing person?

Justtryingtobehelpful · 09/04/2020 14:11

Lundy Bancroft, Why Does He Do That?

THE ABUSIVE MAN’S CYCLES
Life with an abuser can be a dizzying wave of exciting good times and painful periods of verbal, physical, or sexual assault. The longer the relationship lasts, the shorter and farther apart the positive periods tend to become. If you have been involved with an abusive partner for many years, the good periods may have stopped happening altogether, so that he is an unvarying source of misery. Periods of relative calm are followed by a few days or weeks in which the abuser becomes increasingly irritable. As his tension builds, it takes less and less to set him off on a tirade of insults. His excuses for not carrying his weight mount up, and his criticism and displeasure seem constant. Many women tell me that they learn to read their partner’s moods during this buildup and can sense when he is nearing an eruption. One day he finally hits his limit, often over the most trivial issue, and he bursts out with screaming, disgusting and hurtful put-downs, or frightening aggression. If he is a violent abuser, he turns himself loose to knock over chairs, hurl objects, punch holes in walls, or assault his partner directly, leaving her scared to death. After he has purged himself, he typically acts ashamed or regretful about his cruelty or violence, at least in the early years of a relationship. Then he may enter a period when he reminds you of the man you fell in love with—charming, attentive, funny, kind. His actions have the effect of drawing you into a repetitive traumatic cycle in which you hope each time that he is finally going to change for good. You then begin to see the signs of his next slow slide back into abuse, and your anxiety and confusion rise again. Women commonly ask me: “What is going on inside his mind during this cycle? Why can’t he just stay in the good period, what can I do to keep him there?” To answer these questions, let’s look through his eyes during each phase: The tension-building phase During this period, your partner is collecting negative points about you and squirreling them away for safekeeping. Every little thing that you have done wrong, each disappointment he has experienced, any way in which you have failed to live up to his image of the perfect selfless woman—all goes down as a black mark against your name. Abusers nurse their grievances. One of my former colleagues referred to this habit as The Garden of Resentments, a process through which an abuser plants a minor complaint and then cultivates it carefully while it grows to tremendous dimensions, worthy of outrage and abuse. Jesse, for example, planted the dinner-table conversation in his Garden of Resentments and then harvested it two weeks later to throw in Bea’s face, lumping it together with several other issues into one big ugly ball. To defend against any complaints you attempt to express, the abuser stockpiles his collected grievances like weapons to protect his precious terrain of selfishness and irresponsibility. And some of his negativity about you is just plain habit. An abuser falls into a routine of walking around dwelling on his partner’s purported faults. Since he considers you responsible for fixing everything for him, he logically chooses you as his dumping ground for all of life’s normal frustrations and disappointments. • The eruption The abusive man tends to mentally collect resentments toward you until he feels that you deserve a punishment. Once he’s ready to blow, the tiniest spark will ignite him. Occasionally an abused woman may decide to touch her partner off herself at this point, as scary as that is, because the fear of waiting to see what he will do and when he will do it is worse. The explosion of verbal or physical assault that results is horrible, but at least it’s over. After he blows, the abuser absolves himself of guilt by thinking of himself as having lost control, the victim of his partner’s provocations or his own intolerable pain. Whereas at other times he may say that men are stronger and less emotional than women, he now switches, saying, “There is only so much a man can take,” or “She really hurt my feelings, and I couldn’t help going off.” He may consider women’s emotional reactions—such as breaking into tears—contemptible, even when they hurt no one, but when a man has powerful emotions, even violence may be excusable. Some of my most tough-guy clients unabashedly use their painful feelings to excuse their cruel behavior. • The “hearts and flowers” stage After the apologies are over, the abuser may enter a period of relative calm. He appears to have achieved a catharsis from opening up the bomb bays and raining abuse down on his partner. He feels rejuvenated and may speak the language of a fresh start, of steering the relationship in a new direction. Of course, there is nothing cathartic for his partner about being the target of his abuse (she feels worse with each cycle), but in the abuser’s self-centered way he thinks she should feel better now because he feels better. During this period, an abuser works to rebuild the bridge that his abusiveness just burned down. He wants to be back in his partner’s good graces; he may want sex; and he seeks reassurance that she isn’t going to leave him—or expose him. Cards and gifts are common in this phase; hence the name “hearts and flowers.” The abusive man does not, however, want to look seriously at himself; he is merely looking to paste up some wallpaper to cover the holes he has made—figuratively or literally—and return to business as usual. The good period can’t last because nothing has changed. His coercive habits, his double standards, his contempt, are all still there. The cycle is repeated because there is no reason why it wouldn’t be. Some abusive men don’t follow a discernable cycle like the one I have just described. Your partner’s abusive incidents may follow no pattern, so you can never guess what will happen next. I have had clients who seemed almost to get a thrill out of their own unpredictability, which further increased their power. Random abuse can be particularly deleterious psychologically to you and to your children.

KittyKattyKate · 09/04/2020 14:12

He has seen this thread and he most likely considers you writing on here as a form of ‘cheating.’

He is deadly calm at the moment because in his head he is planning how to punish you.

I genuinely believe he is going to kill you all.

Please, please get out. Please.

user1465335180 · 09/04/2020 14:49

Oh Op, I've read your whole thread and it makes my hair stand on end. He is so not a decent person, not now, not ever. The fact he's calm now makes me really afraid for you, I feel he's brewing up for something really bad. Please, please speak to the police, I am genuinely scared for you and your children. I've read some awful things on MN but never a post that makes me more anxious than yours.

FlowerArranger · 09/04/2020 14:59

Please, please speak to the police, I am genuinely scared for you and your children. I've read some awful things on MN but never a post that makes me more anxious than yours.

@Chickencuddle........... ^^ THIS ^^

billy1966 · 09/04/2020 15:06

I agree. I think he has read this thread.

OP, if not for yourself, for your poor children.

The police need to be involved to protect them and you.

Please don't put your fear ahead of the safety of ye all.
Flowers

Lillipop87 · 09/04/2020 15:11

It is worrying that he has suddenly started being 'nice' now and asking questions about your relationship. I too am worried he may have read the thread and this nice guy act is the calm before the storm. Op please don't let him pull you back in. He is an abuser and I can guarantee you it won't last. He will soon be back to his controlling and abusive ways. Stay strong get back in touch with the support worker again. The time has come to act now you need to get you and your children away from this man.

Aerial2020 · 09/04/2020 15:16

I'm worried the OP isn't ready to leave and this is abuse is going to get worse.
OP a previous posters has given options. They are important to read. Please do and let in sink in. A support worker can talk you through this.

12345kbm · 09/04/2020 16:10

He's also managed to blame you for the abuse OP. Calmly telling you what a crap person you are for cheating when you were a teenager and calling you a 'slut'. He's making sure that you know the abuse is your fault because of something that happened a decade ago.

He also knows you have low self esteem, feel bad about yourself for some mistakes you made as a teenager and is triggering that to make you feel shame and self disgust.

DARVO
Deny - deny there's abuse
Attack - turns it around on you (you cheated, you're disgusting, you deserve abuse)
Reverse Victim and Offender - I'm the real victim here, look at what I've been putting up with. No one else would have you. What do you expect?

costco · 09/04/2020 16:21

you would never want to hurt him, but he has absolutely no problem hurting you. I would not go quite as far as to say you're in an abusive relationship, but it's very very close. Make a plan. It might take you two years, but make a plan to leave, and don't tell him a single word about it, then leave and take the kids with you.

costco · 09/04/2020 16:22

oh oops. sorry.I didn't read the follow-up. **k. He is an abusive POS.

Luckybe40 · 09/04/2020 16:26

OP, he’s being so nice because he’s delighted, absolutely delighted to have got you to admit to an affair and he’s going to use it against you time and time again, it’s the golden egg, he’s going to make you pay, trust me. He’s going to make you feel like shot time and time again. You’ve given him the biggest weapon to use against you. Don’t listen to costco I don’t know what the hell they are on about. Not abusive my ass!

Aerial2020 · 09/04/2020 16:32

Please don't tell him anything else. Anything he can use to twist it.
I keep replying on here cos even though I don't know you, I'm really worried for you &your children.
I want you to know there is a different life you can have. I want you to know there are people out there who will care. Strangers on the internet care what happens to you.
He does not and never will.
There is so.much more you can have and live.

Chickencuddle · 09/04/2020 18:35

Justtryingtobehelpful. Thanks so much for that. But also when I look at that it makes me think Its not abuse as he doesnt shout and call me names. Even when he was calling me easy and a slut it was calm like " I dont want to put you in that category. But that's what you are."
I do feel like he is entitled to feel upset and angry for a while and allowances should be made. That on it's own would not be classed as abuse if you didnt know the rest.
He dodnt force me a few days or last week though he just kept going on and on and kept touching me even when I said to stop but he didnt force me to have sex.
He has touched me a few times down there today just when I'm walking about he will come up and do it.. it's a bit confusing because I have just told him this and tbh I almost felt relieved thinking it would mean he wouldn't be so sexual for a while and I could sort things in my head. But no. He is still being very sexual. Talking about our favourite sounds today and he said when we have sex.
When hes feeling me up now I dont feel like I can stop it. Obviously I could but I feel bad because of everything that's happened.dont want to reject him and make him feel worse.
I am still trying to work through this I'm not giving up. I'm going to read over the thread really look at things and see how next few weeks are and maybe try and talk to support worker.
Just keep having thoughts like what if it's all me. What if I ask too much. What if I'm too sensitive. I need to be sure before I do anything I cant just turn the kids lives upside down without being absolutely sure.
Sorry. I know everyone is annoyed at me.

OP posts:
Quartz2208 · 09/04/2020 18:47

Obviously I could but I feel bad because of everything that's happened.dont want to reject him and make him feel worse

This was exactly his endgame with how he was yesterday and why he has ramped it up today.

What will it take for you to be sure - him raping you again or him hitting you?

NoMoreDickheads · 09/04/2020 19:03

But also when I look at that it makes me think Its not abuse as he doesnt shout and call me names. Even when he was calling me easy and a slut it was calm like " I dont want to put you in that category. But that's what you are

It doesn't matter if he shouts it or not, it's still verbal/emotional abuse. Infact if he calls you such things calmly it's worse in a way, because he's trying to convince you it's a fact (damage your self-esteem.)

That on it's own would not be classed as abuse if you didnt know the rest.

Yes it would- name calling is abuse whatever the tone of voice.

he just kept going on and on and kept touching me even when I said to stop but he didnt force me to have sex

It's really sad that this is so frequent for you it counts as normal or even 'good' behaviour to you.

Obviously I could but I feel bad because of everything that's happened.dont want to reject him and make him feel worse

With all the stuff he's done to you, which on top of being abuse is outright crime- you don't owe him anything.

Just keep having thoughts like what if it's all me. What if I ask too much. What if I'm too sensitive

No, it isn't. No, you don't. No, you aren't.

No-one's annoyed at you at all, it's just really sad. Sad Best wishes- you can do it. Please keep us updated.

Aerial2020 · 09/04/2020 19:14

Your last update shows how long he has been working on you to make you think any of this is ok. How long you have become numb to any normality of a loving relationship.
All these people are telling you it is abuse and you are still questioning it which makes me wonder if you are a while off from leaving.
But do read up on it. Do reach out. Do look for support to change the way you see this. It will take a while because you are still defending him. ALL of it is abuse. There is no maybe
There is no 'but he's nice when'....it's all control and power for him.
Maybe if this is all you know then it's scary to think otherwise. But your life is not going to change unless you begin the process of wanting it too.
Keep talking. Keep trying Womens Aid.
Keep reaching out

Aerial2020 · 09/04/2020 19:17

Also you are not turning the kids lives upside down by protecting them from an abuser.

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Justtryingtobehelpful · 09/04/2020 20:27

Bancroft has worked with many abusive men in his line of work. Here he describes the period you are currently experiencing in your abusive relationship.....

A CLOSER LOOK AT THE GOOD PERIODS
When an alcohol abuser goes a month or two without a drink, we say the person is “on the wagon.” The dry period is a break from the pattern and inspires some hope of a positive trend. But, with partner abuse, the periods when the man is being good—or at least not at his worst—are not really outside of his pattern. They are generally an integral aspect of his abusiveness, woven into the fabric of his thinking and behavior. What functions do the good periods play? They perform several, including the following: His spurts of kindness and generosity help him to feel good about himself. He can persuade himself that you are the one who is messed up, “because look at me, I’m a great guy.” You gradually feel warmer and more trusting toward him. The good periods are critical to hooking you back into the relationship, especially if he doesn’t have another way to keep you from leaving, such as financial control or the threat of taking the children. While you are feeling more trusting, you expose more of your true feelings about different issues in your life and you show him more caring, which creates vulnerability that he can use later to control you (though he probably doesn’t consciously plan to do this). During one of Jesse’s bad periods, for example, Bea would probably protect herself by telling him that she was taking a journalism class “just to get the English credits toward my college degree.” But during a more intimate period, she might open up about her dream of pursuing a career in journalism, and he would say it was a great idea. And still later, when he was back in abuse mode, he would be armed with knowledge about her inner life with which to hurt her, as we saw in their argument. He uses the good periods to shape his public image, making it harder for you to get people to believe that he’s abusive. I have not encountered any case, out of the roughly two thousand men I have worked with, in which one of an abuser’s good periods has lasted into the long term, unless the man has also done deep work on his abusive attitudes. Being kind and loving usually just becomes a different approach to control and manipulation and gradually blends back into more overt abuse. I recognize how painful or frightening it can be for an abused woman to accept this reality, because those times of kindness, and the hope that comes with them, can feel like all you have left to hold on to, given how much he has taken away from you. But illusions of change also keep you trapped and can increase your feelings of helplessness or disappointment when he returns to his old ways.

Chickencuddle · 09/04/2020 20:30

This sounds awful but some days I think if he hit me it would be easier as its black and white. Sometimes I feel like if he were ever called out on anything he could say oh I was just joking or shes too sensitive
I feel like alot of what bothers me now...only bothers me because I'm watching for things and alot of people wouldn't be bothered and would just be glad they had a guy who loves the kids and loves them. I think all the sexual stuff he just has a very very high sex drive and is also insecure. But that is just what I'm feeling right now and it's hard to think straight when you're spending all your time together too.

OP posts:
Chickencuddle · 09/04/2020 21:01

Just making a list for myself.
Forced me to have sex: did for a few months almost every night. Wouldn't take no for an answer moved my hands away dragged me back to bed when I tried to go to kids rooms to get away. Held me down. (Hasnt done this in about 2 and half years)

Touching me in my sleep. Did alot over the years said he was asleep. Last time he did it a few weeks ago.

Shouting at kids over absolutely little things bellowing. Scaring them. Blaming them and going on at them making them feel bad for tiny things. Up to a week ago.

Little dogs at me. My weight all the time. What I'm eating. What I'm wearing. My hair. Checking what I have spent money on even if just groceries what I got etc.
Up to a week or so ago.

Standing over me while I cook or do a task of some sort. Making me feel uncomfortable and comment on how I'm doing things. Again up to a week ago.

Touching me during the day when kids about groping me sexual comments feel like its alot of pressure for me to be sexual with him. Kind of makes me feel sometimes like hes saying "this is happening tonight" so I dont feel I csnt.
Again up until last week.

So that's just a bit of perspective for me. I'm gathering a few bits up just incase. But I'm staying put for now and seeing how things go. Because I want to be 100% I'm doing the right thing and have enough info.

OP posts:
MadgeMak · 09/04/2020 21:13

I'm terrified for you, OP. This absolutely is abuse, I really hope you find the strength to leave him.

MyleneFarmer · 09/04/2020 21:16

@Chickencuddle

I'm gathering a few bits up just incase. But I'm staying put for now and seeing how things go

there is enough "bits" gathered on 7 pages of this thread, you must ACT NOW or else once he will kill you one day and you wouldnt be able to come on here to "gather some bits" anymore
I genuinely believe that is whats on his mind, based on many remarks he made so far, which you think were "jokes"