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Please help just discovered husbands 2nd affair

182 replies

longhaulstress · 02/03/2020 00:29

I knew something was off. I'm now sitting a few roads away with his phone and have found a massive messaging spree with someone he used to work with who knows us both. Bought us presents when our dc was born.
Sounds like they've met up a few times and kissed/ lots of can't wait to sleep together stuff.

He had an affair 5 years ago we split for 18 months and he spent every week begging for another chance and saying sorry we tried again we have 3 young dc and I wanted to believe he'd changed and now he's done it again.

Please help me.
what do I do now?

OP posts:
Coolcucumber2020 · 02/03/2020 09:05

He says he's a mess and a fuck Up
He’s not a mess, he was coldly and calculatingly lying to you after he’d begged for your trust. He’s not a fuck, he was enjoying every minute of it. He couldn’t even give you the respect of ending it before it got this far again. He’s hiding behind these words, as if he really couldn’t help it. He is saying that you don’t deserve it but he must have not cared if you did or not as he did it again.

Sorry but I think you need to hear the reality because he sounds like he will relentlessly beg forgiveness again. You need to be strong and keep strong. You accepted him back. So you are a bit soft and forgiving. Nothing wrong with that. However it will be very hard for you to be strong again because you’ve been worn down by it all. And you will be weaker.

Sorry again, it’s just I totally identify with this. After the second time I did end it, but I let the end drag on for months and didn’t boot him out. I regret that massively as he and your DH - they are both absolutely ruthless. And to end it you have to find your ruthlessness somewhere. The cold reality is he enjoyed this, he enjoyed it so much he did not think of you or the kids.

Stay strong.

Lippy1234 · 02/03/2020 09:09

Your DH saying he’s a mess is him trying to make it all about him. He’s not a mess, he’s shitting it because he’s been caught again. Don’t listen to all that.
What about you, you’re a mess?

Delicatelyscentedflavour · 02/03/2020 09:10

Three DC are involved. Do not do anything rash when you are feeling like you do now. You have to talk at some time.

What lessons are you teaching your children. Forgiveness for one. Kindness for another. Love.

Itsallgonewoowoo · 02/03/2020 09:14

Delicately SF.
She did teach her children that, the first time. She forgave and loved again, HE messed up again. Now she will teach her daughter's about boundaries and strength.

itsallthedramaMickiloveit · 02/03/2020 09:14

@Delicatelyscentedflavour are you seriously advising her to forgive this cunt?!
He's had two affairs!! TWO! Not even just ONS! Two affairs where he's had countless times to think about what he's doing.

The main thing she would be teaching her children is how to treated like you're worthless, how to be a doormat, how not to be respected.

stairgates · 02/03/2020 09:15

Move any available money into your account and then throw him out, he has somewhere to go. Sorry this is happening.

GinNotGym19 · 02/03/2020 09:24

I had a similar situation to you. Found out stuff ex was doing, he promised to stop, didnt. I found out more things then we broke up for a month. He promised to change then didn’t.
We separated & nearly divorced now. It’s been really really awful but it was also really really awful living with someone like that.
It does get better and you will cope more with being a single parent than you think. Children are quite resilient too.

JemIsMyNameNooneElseIsTheSame · 02/03/2020 09:30

I've been there OP. I did all the emotional work to get over the first affair and tried so, so hard to trust again then he fucked it up again. I chucked him out for the sake of my child. My DS deserved a mum that wasn't forced to sink all of her emotional energy into a waste of space bloke who didn't care enough about either of us to keep his dick in his pants. I'm 4 years on now and it's been incredibly hard but I did it and you can too. We are strong. They are weak. Put yourself and your children first.

HappyHoppyHippo · 02/03/2020 09:35

💐 You deserve so much more than this. He's a scum bag.

CadburysTastesVileNow · 02/03/2020 09:36

'He says he's a mess and a fuck Up'

I think you should tell him you want better than that for your children, let alone for yourself.

lmcneil003 · 02/03/2020 09:40

@UniversalAunt

The documentation will be required for any formal meetings with the solicitor, & at varying stages of settlements during a divorce or formal separation. Also for any benefit claims &/or formal child maintenance agreements.

Proof of infidelity is NOT taken into account when deciding benefit claims or child maintenance agreements.
Even in a divorce, it has no bearing on the settlement.
I'm not sure why this illusion persists.

Having been divorced and regular contact with the Child Maintenance Service, I know this to be the case.

lowlandLucky · 02/03/2020 09:41

Honey, you survived on your own last time and you will again. Finding out about the 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc affair is alway worse, he knew how hurt you were by the first affair but he doesnt care and he never will. He is only upset because he has been caught, dont allow him to emotionally blackmail you. Throw him out and start a new life, it will be awful at first but it will get better,

loobyloo1234 · 02/03/2020 09:42

Get angry OP. He's put you through this once, saw the pain, and has done it again? He is a fucking scumbag. You deserve better. You know this. So do your children. Their lives will not be ruined. Trust me. They will respect you more for growing a backbone and chucking him out. TODAY

Windmillwhirl · 02/03/2020 09:44

As others have said, he knows he hurt you before and he has done it again. It's all about him and to hell with your feelings. You can't make that kind of relationship work without accepting ongoing pain.

Jellybeansincognito · 02/03/2020 09:47

Yes 3 children involved @Delicatelyscentedflavour

If anything- teaching her kids it’s ok to be alone rather than stay with someone who disrespects them and lies is a massively better lesson than teaching them forgiveness, kindness (what are you even on about here? Do you think this DP is kind to op?) and love (again, wtf are you on about with this?).
Op can teach her children kindness, respect and love for HERSELF when she picks up the pieces from this morons irresponsibility/ deception.

Some people need to give their head a wobble.

ChuckleBuckles · 02/03/2020 09:48

What lessons are you teaching your children. Forgiveness for one. Kindness for another. Love

ODFOD, where is the kindness and love for the OP? Where is the respect and common decency? Once again for the hard of hearing in the back REPEATED INFIDELITY IS A FORM OF DOMESTIC ABUSE

"While the unfaithful partner may have a public reputation that is beyond reproach, the reality is that infidelity rarely happens in a vacuum. It is frequently associated with diminishing and devaluing a spouse (emotional and verbal abuse) which often occurs in the tension building phase of the cycle of abuse. The unfaithful partner might want an excuse to engage in extra-marital sexual activity and so they may repeatedly provoke, pick fights or set up their spouse in such a way as to actively create conflict, purposefully fostering conditions that allow themselves to feel justified in their unfaithfulness. Years of living through this level of continuous stress can create physical and emotional ill-health on the part of the faithful spouse.Extra marital sexual behaviours can go on for years. The patterns of emotional, psychological, financial and physical abuse can also go on for years resulting in the faithful partner struggling in a fog, feeling diminished and disrespected, without truly understanding what is going on. "

Have a read of this: www.restoredrelationships.org/news/2016/10/14/infidelity-or-domestic-abuse/

The fact is this man has lied, cheated and exposed the OP to an increase risk of STI's, his behaviour could very literally be life threatening to her.

OP reach out to family and friends, do not feel any shame of embarrassment because he has done this again, you tried to make it work after the last affair, everyone will know that you have given your all to hold your marriage and family together and he has thrown it away again, walk away with your head held high.

SueEllenMishke · 02/03/2020 09:52

What lessons are you teaching your children. Forgiveness for one. Kindness for another. Love

No she is teaching them not to stay in a situation where they are being treated badly. She's teaching them self respect.

What is their dad teaching them??

originalcobra · 02/03/2020 09:53

For me this would be the last straw. From a practical point of view I think I would get some paperwork in order before confronting him, details of money in bank accts, savings, pensions, proof of earnings - photocopy a payslip or screen shot over the next few days. Because if DW did this we'd be getting a divorce and I'd want to be sure that she wasn't going to muck about with the marital assets.

81Byerley · 02/03/2020 09:54

@ChuckleBuckles good reply.

KLS02 · 02/03/2020 09:55

you deserve much better than this

Coolcucumber2020 · 02/03/2020 10:13

@ChuckleBuckles I agree, repeated infidelity is a form of abuse. Unfortunately I was a bit taken in by the ‘I may have a sexual addiction’ or whatever. It’s much clearer when we see things through their effect on us, like the OP and her family. Whatever her DH is spouting, he is harming his family repeatedly. In a huge way. Lying to your partner and family is huge. Lying that there is a family, as there is not as he has actually left the family, and worse of all he is pretending he hasn’t. He’s not being a father, or a husband. Fathers and husbands are people that you can trust. This is abusive.

Also, once someone starts lying and betraying they family, repeatedly, like abuse, I think it tends to get worse. My Ex starting to shout more at me and the kids, which I later realize was the start of serious verbal abuse. I now believe that this was the result of further trashing us as a family, starting with the infidelities. It was unconscious. However if you are neglecting your kids and wife, by cheating, you are getting used to not respecting them as people. You are getting used to feeling that you are better than them, because you can cheat and lie, but you expect them not to. Your brain is starting to devalue your wife and kids, and things that a normal family want such as you being attentive, noticing their problems as they grow, being there for them, diminish as your selfish excitement for sex elsewhere takes over.

That is why many people feel that something is going on, before they have proof. Emotional distance is a cruelty in itself. Maybe the odd comment about being overweight to the wife. Or lack of care that the older child is having difficulties with friendships. It all builds over time. And as the infidelity is repeated and carries on, the excuses for doing it are projected outside, usually onto the wife and kids. Wife is too boring, doesn’t want sex enough. Kids are too needy, I work all the time don’t I get anything for me? Etc. This blaming is abusive.

In my case it ended with me being screamed at for asking DH to come on a family day out, because apparently that was an awful thing to ask of him. He’d been working so hard, that spending time with the people who really loved him was taken as a threat to his entitlement to just do whatever the hell he wanted. Which was to have sex with any younger woman he could find. He screamed so much that I felt scared, and my children were scared. We left soon after.

Unfortunately OP I do believe your relationship has now become abusive because this emotional pain you are now experiencing is not a small thing. Your attention and energy is being drained by your pain and your children and you need to bring that attention back to yourselves.

UniversalAunt · 02/03/2020 10:21

@Imcneil333

Yes you are right about the evidence of adultery being required for benefit, CMS & divorce etc.

Crossed wires.

By getting documentation together I am referring to marriage & birth certificates, financial assets etc. Getting these organised to hand promptly is important. Common sense, no drama.

Toria70 · 02/03/2020 10:26

He's the one responsible for destroying your family.

Never forget that. You can just limit the damage for you and your DC.

Flowers
Coolcucumber2020 · 02/03/2020 10:28

Wow that link is very good, if quite hard to read as I recognize so much in it. OP it is worth a read. It will make you more determined. I always remember going for counseling and they said that although I had said that my sex life with Ex was very good, they said it couldn’t have been if he was cheating. I was devastated by that remark, as I think I knew this wasn’t the case and the ghosting and enabling of infidelity as if it stems from the relationship! It’s so so damaging. In fact I felt quite sick that we’d had such a good sex life, I thought it was special, unique to us, an expression of his love for me as he was so emotionally distant otherwise. To think he was having just as much sex with his OW still makes me feel physically ill. It is the duplicity, the lying. It cannot be overcome when it is repeated. I’m just saying this as you may well be advised that your relationship was broken by both of you or feel that you take some blame. It is NOT us.

It’s entitlement.

Abusers may feel entitled to a double life to fulfil their wants and needs. They feel that the fulfilment of their needs outweighs the importance of their partner's and/or their children’s well-being.

ChuckleBuckles · 02/03/2020 10:30

@Coolcucumber2020 I was taken in by the "addiction" line of defence the first time too, I bent over backwards to try to make things better, then I discovered more cheating (with escorts). The second time around was worse because I saw how desperate I was to make things right before, I felt even more foolish and abused and felt he must have laughed his head off at me.

In the end he told me that when he saw how I reacted to the first discovery of cheating he knew that it was "gloves off, I can do whatever I want"

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