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Dating Thread 185. Rule 6 reminder - People vanishing, lying & being generally weird is not your fault.

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bangheadhere40 · 24/02/2020 10:08

The Rules: 1. The first rule about the dating thread is don't talk about it with people you're dating. 2. Develop a thick skin. 3. Do not invest emotionally too soon. 4. It's all BS until it actually happens. 5. Trust your gut instinct. 6. People vanishing, lying & being generally weird is not your fault. 7. Know your worth. 8. If it's not fun, stop. 9. Loo update is mandatory. 10. No dating the thread. 11. Treat others as you'd like to be treated 12. Any relationship you have that could get ruined by having a conversation about your feelings, standards and/or expectations wasn't really stable enough to begin with 13. The things you choose to ignore/ tolerate now are the reasons you will break up in the future 14. OLD can get very time consuming. Keep doing other activities you enjoy. Link to Info on Dating Websites & Apps click here ** Optional: Please give your irons (potential dates you are talking to) nicknames like Mr Scottish. Initials are allowed (Mr S) when you are an item.

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Menora · 26/02/2020 19:52

Thanks I appreciate it
There are no exes on mine as I’ve never been married and although I have photos at home of DC dad they are in photo albums
So I am more of a clean slate person but I do feel weird looking at his photos kind of like I am intruding although he’s added me and they aren’t a secret. So I am not going to look again

Sunshineandflipflops · 26/02/2020 19:52

My Facebook has photos of my ex too (mostly family ones). I hid all of mine so that only I can see them but all the ones he tagged me in or other people, I can't seem to hide those. Mr Ad has seen them but doesn't mind. He was my past for 25 years and is the father of my kids so I can't just erase him. We had some great times and very happy memories that I don't want to delete.

Marlboroandmalbec34 · 26/02/2020 20:30

Hey dating gang

Aw unambiguous I’m good thanks. Having a great time with Big. Still moving very slowly but we are having lovely dates and great sex and he has met a few of my friends recently. We are trying to get tickets for a gig at the end of this year and we are carving out more time to see each other. For an emotionally unavailable, commitment phobe like Me Big these are big deals
Thanks for naming the search after me 😂 glad it worked and you caught him out. Also glad you’re having fun on tinder!

shitwith hope you’re ok lovely.

I haven’t read the full thread but chin up to those who are down and woohoo for those on the smitten bench.

bangheadhere40 · 26/02/2020 20:32

@marlborough glad to hear things are going well, that's great news 😀 please can you share the search tips? I'm intrigued, and can't find my iron online!

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dancemom · 26/02/2020 20:57

@supercali77 that's exactly it 😁

unambiguousbeard · 26/02/2020 21:34

It's just common sense @bangheadhere40 I already did it but marlbs mentioned it and I was relieved as I'd thought I was stalky. But it makes sense. Just search name/company/job title. And you should get images then you have surname. My married iron was kicked out by his wife about a month ago. I actually believe him. He sounds stunned. And of course who is getting reeled in. And feeling sympathetic. And where are all the other irons when you need them? Ffs.

bangheadhere40 · 26/02/2020 21:36

Oh no @unambiguous, is he giving the sob story? Be wary.....some are very good at pulling the sympathy card aren't they...very frustrating.

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Marlboroandmalbec34 · 26/02/2020 21:40

Yep that simple bangheads it’s more when you first start chatting and you want to check them out.

Yep be wary unambiguous even if it’d true that’s only 1 month!

unambiguousbeard · 26/02/2020 21:47

Yeah I know. I told him I'm not filling a wife shaped hole. Or being his first shag in 30 years. Etc. It's actually his second marriage so "only" 10 years and not the mother of his kids but still. Plus it was out of the blue so he must be reeling. I was planning on leaving my ex for at least5 years and still took an age to be freaky to date. Although he might make a good FWB. What do we think to that, thread?

bangheadhere40 · 26/02/2020 21:55

@unambiguous I like how you tell them how it is!

FWB...🤔 if you want one and he may fit the bill, but don't get dragged down by the excessive baggage which could come with it.

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TheCatWithTheHat · 26/02/2020 21:56

Regarding pics of exes on Facebook - I have loads of pics of my previous ex on my profile as we were together for around 8 years, and had lots of mutual friends on there so we posted a lot. I don't use it anywhere near as much now, but don't really want to delete the photos as it was a part of my life, and I don't feel bad looking at them.

I would feel a bit awkward adding a new partner as a friend on there, as in their shoes I wouldn't want to see lots of photos of my new partner and their ex, so I may have a clean up and set a lot of them to private if/when that happens.

unambiguousbeard · 26/02/2020 23:08

Ah shit how can I not have learned anything. Two days in and I'm over invested in a baggage laden man. Two days! He's been split up a month. Ffs. Hopefully I really really won't fancy him.

I've put my real age (52) for the first time and it's definitely made a difference to the age of my potentials. Nearly everyone is over 50. When I lied and said I was 49 there were a lot more 40 somethings. So it definitely restricts my options or affects the algorithm. I might reset with my fake age once it goes tits up with Mr Baggage.

Ant330 · 26/02/2020 23:44

@shitwithsugaron hope your call went ok 👍 I agree that he should have called before coming to the hospital but perhaps thought it might be a nice surprise that ended up a bit awkward. In his position I wouldn't have wanted to interfere with your arrangements with parents and agree that your mum being able to drive in an emergency is sensible.
I bet he hoped he was going to take you home and look after you and his plans went awry, which perhaps explain the awkwardness.
Hope you're feeling ok now Flowers

UtterSocks · 27/02/2020 00:27

Aw thanks everyone for the kind comments. I am just properly low at the moment. I do have a lot of friends, I am lucky with that, I've always had tons of friends (you get really good at building a support network in an unhappy marriage when you have no family of your own), but I feel that, apart from a couple of exceptions I have known since childhood, who both live miles away and have their own families, that they don't want to hear my problems unless I parcel them up in an amusing story, and they certainly don't want to hear my insecurities. And of course they shore me up and tell me I am fantastic, but it's not the same as having someone who is just a partner and there for you. (Not that I'd know, my marriage was 21 years of intolerance and barely concealed resentment). Or even just someone decent who fancies you and occasionally says something nice or does something kind. As if you are a person worth treating nicely.

@Sortingitout you are right, the divorce has blindsided me. Ex has his sister and live-in girlfriend and all the free time in the world to rinse me for everything. I can't sleep for worrying about it (and thanks @Jane1978xx as well for offering PM support - I have spoken to 5 solicitors so far who have all said different things and my head in is bits!)

I have an ungrateful DD at home who never washes a dish, a job which stresses me to fuck and zero time and no support. Ex-iron Mr Media sends me some pointers via WhatsApp and Mr Rugby has sent some nice texts, but I'm not about to become his 'baggage', he is 7 years younger and has never been married, he doesn't need that. And I know he's not for me anyway so not going to take the piss and just use him.

I do take everyone's point about needing to take time and wait until things are calmer. And I will because I feel too fragile to do anything else. But, I am 52 now (I also put 49 on the apps @unambiguousbeard, after an unfruitful venture into GSM aged 50 where only grandads liked me) and I think if I leave it much longer I am never going to get anywhere. To be fair, before I started this I thought (and friends kindly went along with the delusion) that I was fairly attractive for my age. Now I am starting to look in the mirror and hate the lines, it's like every one of them is reducing my chances of anyone ever fancying me again, no matter how much time I spend in the gym. I have even seriously considered Botox as I have a forehead like fucking Sid James.

But for two years after my ex walked out, I didn't care, I was just enjoying not having a miserable twat in my house and being able to have friends around and stuff without him glaring at them, and being able to come home from work and not sit in the car on the street for 30 minutes steeling myself to go in and face his moods. But when you start this, you sort of get your hopes up and it reminds you that you would actually like someone to like you, and to give you physical affection, and I actually wish I'd not bothered. I didn't realise it would be this impossible, that so many of them are so disappointingly different from their profiles, or dickheads, or that the rare ones I would start to fall for would end up unavailable or liars (says the woman who is 36 months older than her profile).

Aaagh, I am so miserable I am pissing myself off now. Sorry for clogging up the thread. I am off to bed as up at 6.00am for work and a 5 hour commute to meetings and back. Again!

@shitwithsugaron hope you feel better soon lovely, And @unambiguousbeard, hope one of your irons works out but maybe not Mr Baggage? (if anyone fancied me they would be calling me Mrs Baggage and I wouldn't date me, so... Confused )

Dancerinthemoonlight · 27/02/2020 01:04

Sorry for the lack of toilet updates. It was a lovely date, we went for dinner. Broke the supposed first date rules of not talking about ex's etc. Then we went back to his room on base to watch a film. Ended up watching 50 shades as I have never seen it. Can't say how much of the film we actually watched. Didn't DTD just very heavy snogging. Few marks on my neck luckily the worst you can't see. First time that has ever happened to me. Finally home, all around an enjoyable evening. Hope to see him again but if not I had fun

EchoElephant · 27/02/2020 07:10

What would you think if you went to the house of a potential fwb and it was messy/dirty?
I saw my second fwb last night. He offered me a drink and I followed him into the kitchen. There were crumbs all over the worktops and the floor needed a good clean. The carpet in the rest of the house didn't look like it had seen a vacuum cleaner for weeks.
However the bedroom and bathroom was clean. And the sex was good. But I kept thinking about the dirty kitchen!
And he had weird cuddly toys in his bedroom.
Think I've eliminated him as a potential

halfthesun · 27/02/2020 07:19

Hello, just caught up with the thread, first date tonight with someone who actually lives in the same town as me! We are meeting in the local pub which he said will be an adventure as he doesn’t go to pubs ...I don’t really go to that many pubs but would certainly not describe it as an adventure. Bloody hell he is going to be odd isn’t he?

SortingItOut · 27/02/2020 07:22

Were you at my house EchoGrin

I'm not too fussed about mess but really dirty would put me off.

My house is a disgrace, I hate housework and do the least possible, I have a really busy life and smallholding and would rather be doing other things. Plus 2 dogs which are so bad in winter - my poor kitchen floor!!

I have only recently started letting people to my house and they would only see the lounge, stairs and bedroom which I kept clean but not always as tidy as I'd like.

My new guy has seen my whole messy house and doesnt care, so he says, it cant get much worse than him fixing my broken toilet while I had sickness and upset tummy and looked like death warmed up.

If you're not looking for a relationship and to live together do his cleaning habits matter?

SortingItOut · 27/02/2020 07:23

Forgot to mention the cuddly toys - I'd find that odd but maybe he has an attachment to them....

SimonJT · 27/02/2020 07:31

@EchoElephant Had he broken into my flat?!

SortingItOut · 27/02/2020 07:42

@UtterSocks
Please do not apologise for clogging up the thread, no one has ever clogged the thread up, all feelings whether positive or negative are welcome here.

Maybe speaking to 5 was a step too far!!
Can you go with the solicitor you liked the most? I know most people go with the one who would promise you the most but I think having a good rapport with your solicitor is paramount especially if it could be a drawn out process.

Had your ex started the divorce process yet? If he hadnt I personally would do the court application asap and then engage a solicitor. I know the application is £550 but it would give you the upper hand and give you back some control which might help with some of the sleep issues.

I started my divorce quite quickly and did it on unreasonable behaviour, I just wanted him out of my life asap.

Sounds like you need a new job as well, now probably isnt the time to be looking but if your ex wants a lot from you could you move jobs and take a salary cut, you dont want to work your arse off and give it all away.

And as for DD, I can relate to this, my DD is 17 and has never washed up anything in her life, apparently she cant touch dirty water!!
I allow it for now as she's young and busy and quietly smile because she's going to Uni in a few years so who will wash up then???

Are you able to talk to your DD? How old is she?

I dont know you but I bet you are attractive but right now your confidence and self esteem is rock bottom so you can only see the negatives.
Men dont expect women in their 50s to be line free, everyone has lines.
I'm 39 and have loads, I pretend they're laughter lines, christ knows how wrinkly I'll be at 60!!
OLD is great for giving you confidence issues, if you're already fragile it just hurts even more when you are already low.

Remember- you are enough, do not change for anyone.

BatshitCrazyWoman · 27/02/2020 07:48

I'd find cuddly toys a bit weird, but I hate them anyway 😂

Sounds like a good date dancer

unambiguous keep swiping, while you're chatting to Mr Baggage. He's probably looking for an ego boost. I've always put my real age on sites - I'm 55 now, so was 54 and on Tinder etc. It didn't seem to only attract grandads 😂 I look a bit younger than mid-fifties I suppose. But if you tell an iron and don't continue the lie I don't see the problem.

I rarely use Facebook - there's a picture on there of me trying my wedding dress on, 26 years after I got married (still fits) 😂😂 but none of me and exh. He never took pics of me. Mr BC doesn't have FB (I'm thinking of getting rid of it as don't have time for it) but I googled him after our first meet and found him on his company website - he's high up and well known in his field so easy to find 😂

unambiguousbeard · 27/02/2020 07:49

@echoelephant sounds a little like mine. Life's too short for cleaning.

@uttersocks I hear you on so much. Not the divorce my ex is being very good as we have young children but the rest. We're at a terrible age. Was it you that said you spent years in an abusive marriage waiting to leave and sure you would find someone who would just be nice to you? Well that. I don't understand how exH who was an utter utter shit to me can have an apparently happy and healthy relationship while I'm left swiping in an endless stream of boozy potato heads looking for partners in crime. My tinder stream has rapidly deteriorated, don't think I swipe right on more than 1 in 100. I feel like time is running out. I thought I was quite attractive too, I certainly look after myself. But yeah I'm now looking at every sag and starting to despair. Plus it's so bloody time consuming, I've spent two entire evenings messaging and swiping but I have a life! I'd like to read or something. Or just go on Mumsnet. But I've been messaging 8 different blokes (whittled down now to er 2. One Mr Baggage the other a very odd artist) and it eats up all my time.
Anyway. I'm trying to be upbeat about it all but two days in and it's feeling a bit pointless. Definitely age-related. And Im starting to feel offended by the 35 year olds looking for sex.

TigerDater · 27/02/2020 07:55

echo at least his bathroom was clean. I went to a guy’s place which was so dirty eg cat shit all over the floor that my skin still crawls at the thought of it. Made him pay for hotels after that! As for cuddly toys: I have one which I cuddle every night, I literally can’t sleep without it. I’ve Only had it two years, and never cared for them before. Weird. But I put it away when Mr GN is here, and I’m surprised your iron didn’t think to do so. Hmmm.

uttersocks I really feel for you, life sounds uncredibly tough for you. Just one word of comfort: I was 54 when I started OLD, my head was in the right place (two years post divorce) and it’s been a blast. It’s never too late, but the time has to be right.

EchoElephant · 27/02/2020 07:56

Ok. That seems like a unanimous vote! Life's too short for cleaning Grin

The cuddly toys were weird though.

I forgot to mention that he was completely silent during sex. I don't want a running commentary but a little indication of enjoyment would be good.

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