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Husband grieving for OW

999 replies

Filly2011 · 14/02/2020 21:25

Anyone had experience of this?
Husband had 14 month affair with woman at work. Told me about it when she finally dumped him in favour of her husband. DH says he wants to keep marriage and willing to work at it. After months of counselling he now admits he is very upset as still loves her and knows he’s lost her. I feel very cut up by this. Can’t stop thinking about it.

OP posts:
Mix56 · 15/02/2020 08:57

he hasn't chosen you though has he, she dumped him

Starlight456 · 15/02/2020 08:58

I would give the couples counselling the boot too.

It all suggests it is passive. He didn’t chose you he got dumped.

This thing with any marriage/ relationship . It only works when 2 people are trying and it doesn’t sound like he us . He is trying to blame you and turn himself into the victim.

BuckingFrolics · 15/02/2020 08:59

"He's chosen you"?? Are you kidding? And the therapist sounds shit.
You are trying to find a logical way out of the pain. There is no way out of it. You will hurt, grieve, mourn, feel alone and scared and angry, whether you stay with him or divorce him. The fact is, those feelings only have a chance to pass, or to be interleaved with joy peace and happiness, if you divorce him. I'm aghast frankly, that anyone would put up with this! He's intolerable and yet you are tolerating him. Why?

What is really stopping you from divorcing him?

PhoneTwattery · 15/02/2020 08:59

I’ve been single by choice for about 5 years and intend to be that way until the day I die.

Leave him, give it a year and you’ll find yourself doing what YOU want when YOU want and without a prick making you feel like shit. You’ll Look back and wonder why you didn’t do it years ago!

Lottapianos · 15/02/2020 09:01

Filly, I think you're doing brilliantly. You've been treated like utter shit by this man for a long time and your self esteem has taken an absolute battering. It's not surprising that you're feeling depressed and anxious - they're totally normal reactions to what you've been through.

The driving absolutely will get better in time, and think of the freedom it gives you

I would stop the counselling with him, but start counselling for yourself. Also a great idea to confide in friends who you know you can rely on

You are making steps to get your life back. Do it in your own time, but do it. Do not waste any more of your life with this ridiculous man. You absolutely deserve better than him. Very best of luck and keep posting if it helps!

OhamIreally · 15/02/2020 09:01

Hi OP I think you've started down the road to your fabulous new life without realising. You've bought a car and started driving again (I bet he was critical of your driving and you left it to him as it was easier - I know this because it is what my ex did. He drained away all my confidence and I became terrified of driving- now I love my little car and confidently drive around London). You have reached out to the women of Mumsnet and are really thinking about what you want.

The "fabulous" lives of these women described will all have started with this journey, it takes work and courage. You definitely seem to be someone who is not afraid of hard work- you need to find your courage and keep taking those steps.
None of this is about him now - this is all about you and what you want.

C8H10N4O2 · 15/02/2020 09:01

He's a whinging git trying to blame you for his own behaviour. He's made his bed, let him lie in it and focus on your own life. However this is what caught my eyeP

Can I have a fabulous life at 60? On my own? Kids all gone. Family all in another country. Closest friends 100 miles away.

50s/60s was one of the commonest ages for divorce last time I looked at the stats.

Anecdotally I've seen several women do this, usually when the DH swans off with their mid life crisis woman. Each has ultimately come away happier, usually in comparable situations to you. A former colleague discovered her husband of 40 yrs had another, younger woman on the side. It was a tough initial year but now she does all the things she compromised on or deferred when married and has a great life, focused on friends, her wider family and what she wants to do.

I think many women are afraid of being alone after long marriages and underestimate themselves.

mathanxiety · 15/02/2020 09:03

I can completely understand you wishing he hadn't told you. The necessity for a decision has been lobbed into your lap. After the shock you now know that everything you thought you knew about your life up to now was an illusion. Right now you are at the point where your life has figuratively fallen down around your ankles. Your confidence is shattered but you know you have to regain it somehow.

This man really is a stranger - the shock of that realisation can take your breath away. He has betrayed you and your family and continues to prove himself to be selfish to the core, a true narcissist.

He seemed to think I’d make it better but it just dumped all the pain on me.
And now he won't listen to you or accept that this has caused you immense pain. His refusal to deal with your feelings or acknowledge what he has done to you while at the same time expecting you to absorb the emotional garbage he is dumping on you is outrageous. He has no respect for himself or for anyone else. He is so selfish that what you are now experiencing from him is nothing short of emotional and psychological abuse.

My advice to you is to stop talking to him about this. Stop responding to him when he brings it up. No more painful conversations where he walks all over you and insults you. Tell him you are not interested in his problems and that he is not to try to talk to you about them ever again. You are no longer his friend and he certainly isn't yours. Repeat as necessary. Don't take any bait he throws at you. Get up and walk out of the room if he persists in trying to engage you. You have to stop him talking to you because his words are going to cut you like knives.

WorriedMum6868 · 15/02/2020 09:04

Jesus OP. I read a lot of the stuff about the aftermath of affairs on the Relationship board, but this is something else. I totally appreciate how frightened you must feel going it alone in your 60s, but you husband doesnt want you. He doesnt love you. He doesnt respect you. Please please please tell your children. Get shit hot lawyer and start the separation process. I guarantee your life without him will be better thsn this misery you are enduring. Your dh is a colossal wanker. Dont waste another minute of your life on him.

mathanxiety · 15/02/2020 09:07

He seemed to think I’d make it better...

Says everything you need to know about him and how he sees you.

AnotherEmma · 15/02/2020 09:11

What an utter shit. LTB, obviously.

Get your own counselling and stop the couple's counselling. It sounds as if it's doing you more harm than good.

And get legal advice. Then divorce the fucker.

oncemorewithfeeling99 · 15/02/2020 09:11

what are you actually gaining by staying with him?

AnnaMagnani · 15/02/2020 09:11

I'd suggest you have some individual counselling, that is just about you and what you want to do.

You can still do the couples therapy but you need to know what you want, and to have support to get your self esteem off the floor, and regain your identity.

Chamomileteaplease · 15/02/2020 09:11

Dear Filly

Your sadness is almost palpable and i really do feel for you.

It is great that you are in the house and now have your car. And your dog Smile.

My suggestions for improving your life are:

forget the couple counselling and go for counselling on your own with a view to reframing your future and getting some help to look at the unexpected future before you with optimism and strength

concentrate on finding a couple of more local friends so that you have things to look forward to. It is great that you have a best friend but if she is 100 miles away she won't fill that local friend gap.

I think you said you still work, but if you could start one or two new interests that would help you meet people and do things which have no connection to your husband.

I really hope you can find the strength to end things with him. You may well be on your own at least for a while, but being with this man must surely make you so unhappy on a day to day basis.

Best of luck Flowers

Vinosaurus · 15/02/2020 09:13

He absolutely hasn't chosen you - you are the consolation prize after being dumped, he's making do with you until she (he hopes) comes to her senses and comes running back to him, or he finds another replacement.

Please please take control of the situation and prioritise your own happiness and wellbeing and unceremoniously dump the fucker.

mathanxiety · 15/02/2020 09:13

The therapist says I have to be patient and wait for OW to fade from DH mind. He can’t just switch his affections apparently but he's ‘chosen me’ as he’s committed to counselling and the marriage.

Stop the relationship therapy. Your therapist is a dangerous fantasist.

He hasn't 'chosen' you. He got dumped. He is now showing you how he really feels about you.

Fluffycloudland77 · 15/02/2020 09:14

I’m really pleased you’ve got a dog, their brilliant company.

Your counsellor sounds batshit though.

SlippersAndThePaper · 15/02/2020 09:14

The therapist says I have to be patient and wait for OW to fade from DH mind.

Your therapist sounds like shit.

Greenandpleasanter · 15/02/2020 09:17

What a load of shit that therapist is talking. Ignore all that surrendered wife bollocks. You don't have to be patient, and he hasn't 'chosen you' the other woman dumped him. He hasn't committed to either counselling or the marriage. Committing to them would involve admitting to the pain he has caused, examining what's lacking in himself that he needs to find it outside of his marriage, taking responsibility for making your marriage better. He hasn't done any of those things, he's thrown the grenade into your lap and then blamed you for catching it.

Dump that therapist, who frankly sounds hopeless, and find your own personal therapist. If you want some help in finding one, PM me as I can give you advice about finding someone good in your area.

Bluntness100 · 15/02/2020 09:18

Op, this is difficult, because it sounds like you're both staying in the marriage because you prefer that to going it alone.

And that's ok. But you need to be honest with each other about why you're trying to make it work, and come to some form of agreement on the way forward.

As for telling your kids, you don't need to do this if it makes your life harder. It's not about protecting him, it's about protecting yourself.

However I'd echo what pp have said, you're already living apart. Think long and hard about what you want for your future. And why you want it. Then talk to him and be honest.

Do you want romantic love, faithfulness, togetherness? Or do uou wish companionship and to continue as is? To maybe have an open marriage?

He was clearly willing to leave the marriage for this woman, and is treating uou like a companion he can he can off load on.

Think of the terms you wish to continue under and then lay it out for him.

Kit19 · 15/02/2020 09:19

Echoing what others have said. OP you are living apart so you’ve already taken a big step. He doesn’t want to be with you sorry that sounds harsh, he just wants to dump on you and whine about his affair that didn’t work out. If the OW changed her mind he’d be there in a heart beat. You are getting nothing from being married to him at all, nothing.

When my mum left my dad after 25 years she said to me that it was better to be alone than to feel lonely with someone and she was 100% right

Your marriage is dying lovey time to kill it & put yourself & it out of misery xxx

Nanny0gg · 15/02/2020 09:20

The therapist says I have to be patient and wait for OW to fade from DH mind. He can’t just switch his affections apparently but he's ‘chosen me’ as he’s committed to counselling and the marriage.

Bollocks! Find another counsellor. One for you.

Then find a lawyer.

Get your ducks in a row.

Tell your kids

Then dump him.

You want 20+ more years of this?

HelgaHere1 · 15/02/2020 09:21

Your DH is in love with a fantasy - the idyllic life he would have had if the OW had left his wife for him, the love, the sex, the blissful future - because we all know that's how romances end - but of course they don't.
You are competing with his fantasy and as she has dumped him he won't ever get there. But I strongly suspect that someone else will pop up to fulfill his fantasy and you will be dumped.
If you have the highest pensions you need solicitor's advice. Why would you even want such a weak willed, critical, silly shadow of a man back. Please cover your back, if he pops up with a new younger girlfriend who wants to start a family he will take every penny he can as he will need it.
Cover you back OP.

HelgaHere1 · 15/02/2020 09:22

not wife, her husband

DobbyLovesSocks · 15/02/2020 09:26

Op, I am so sorry to hear you are going through this. It's easy to bumble along in a marriage because it's all you know - however your (D)H had an affair and the only reason it ended was because SHE left HIM. He hasn't chosen you. As for what your therapist said - that is just ridiculous
Can you still have a fabulous life after 60 without him - of course you can. Can you really face another 20-30 years with him (assuming you live into your 90's which is entirely possible these days). You can do as PP have said; travel, sightsee, take up a hobby (I can highly recommend quilting/patchwork) anything you want.

Seek legal advice and begin a new chapter in your life

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