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If I were to report my parents for historical abuse....

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oprahfan · 07/02/2020 19:58

some of the details could be triggering re: historical child abuse

I am really struggling with what to do, if anything, about the emotional, physical and psychological abuse I endured during my childhood, adolescence and early adulthood.
I have been going through CBT and EMDR therapy for over 3 years now. It happened in England and Scotland.
The Dr who performs the therapies has warned me several times about going down the legal route, saying it would be harrowing, I would be chewed up and spat out basically.
My partner of 25 years, who has also been on the receiving end of my parents abuse has said not to take them to court.
I have seen my medical records from when I used to live at home, there are pages and pages about my mother and her manipulative behaviour, my role as a scapegoat, my father the enabler, brother golden child.
I still have flashbacks, really terrible flashbacks, I won’t give details right now.

My question is....can I make a report to the police? Can it be noted? Does it have to go to court? I still believe my mother is a danger to others, not just children. I believe she displays munchausens (not sure of spelling) is a compulsive liar, told me she was dying when I was in early pregnancy, tells anyone that will listen horrific lies about me.
I have not had contact with my parents for over 10 years, same with my brother, I blocked all communication.
I hated the horrific lies she tells other relatives about me, she has torn two sets of family apart.
I just want the truth out there. I’ve told the truth all along, yet I’m the one who has had to face the fire, stop the cycle of abuse so my children didn’t have to. The hardest work of my life. I could not have my children being unable to come to me, or hate me. To be alone. I had to be a good loving parent alongside my partner.
My children are grown now and we have a great relationship, they are doing well in their lives compared to my upbringing. I feel so cheated.
But why should my parents be allowed to get away with it?

OP posts:
user1497997754 · 08/02/2020 15:52

When they die.....and they will....you will be free it's a wonderful empowering feeling

user1497997754 · 08/02/2020 16:34

What I would be worried about if I were to go down the court route and all that emotionally difficult stuff. I would actually be re emersing myself in it all over again ....and for what....you are never going to get your childhood back the way you wanted it to be. You would be far better not going that route but putting all your energy into creating a healthy positive life that will hugely benefit you and your loved ones. X

Gingerkittykat · 08/02/2020 16:35

I reported abuse in Scotland so thought I would share my experiences.

The police were very good and sensitive, they believed me and listened to me.

I was niave and thought me reporting would be enough to get a conviction when it didn't even get to court. The one person who backed up what happened to me made a statement but refused to testify.

The rest of my family turned against me, he became the victim in their eyes and needed to be protected from me.

The outcome was absolutely devastating to me, he was innocent in the eyes of the law but I was seen by many as a liar. I have times when there is a burning feeling of injustice.

I too have had many of the same problems you have in the process of coming to terms with it. I have also broken the cycle and gone on to build a healthy family unit of my own.

In your case it might be different because you do have evidence, many charities out there who counsell abuse survivors have a worker who specialises in helping people through the legal process.

Ulterego · 08/02/2020 17:24

The rest of my family turned against me, he became the victim in their eyes and needed to be protected from me
I suffered CSA as child, when I disclosed to family I faced a similar DARVO maneuver
My parents...I hate the c*nts:(
I'm so sorry for what you went through GingerkittyFlowers

oprahfan · 08/02/2020 18:08

@user1497997754
It’s true. There’s no chance of getting the childhood back.
The damage is done.
Thing is, I feel free already. I don’t celebrate, it’s bittersweet.
I would love to have had a good mum and dad. Grandparents for my little family growing up.
But would abusive, controlling and coercive parents just suddenly turn into good people and have an epiphany one day? I wasn’t willing to put my family through that to find out. I got away and stayed away.
The best thing I ever did. Life started for me then. Thank you for your thoughts, very much appreciated x

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TrueRefuge · 08/02/2020 18:10

@oprahfan Firstly I'm so sorry for what you've suffered. I know the pain of having just one parent who was an abusive arsehole, and still dealing with the pain of that in my 30s, so I really empathise and I'm sorry that you've suffered so much. I'm just going to share some of my personal thoughts, so im sorry to ramble, but I hope some of it is useful. I also hope you'll check out the Stately Homes thread here on Relationships, as it's full of people who've experienced what you and I have, and it is a place full of the most amazingly knowledgeable, experienced and compassionate people who will support you, regardless of your decision.

I do think, as other PPs have noted, that historical abuse cases can be so arduous for the survivor. It could be really re-traumatising for you. I know that you live this every day, but it could undo a lot of the work you've inevitably done. In the grand scheme of things, three years of therapy is not much when you've made it to your fifties dealing with all this. You will still be in the early stages of establishing trust and a safe space and dealing with the emotions that must have been bottled up so long...

I wanted to ask (not for you to answer here online but to ponder), do you feel that you and your therapist have a close relationship and one that is loving (in a safe, professional way)? The most healing thing for me to overcome my childhood was not processing the memories per se (though that has helped), but seeing a relational therapist (someone who uses more psychodynamic approaches) who believes that 70% of my healing will come from our relationship: the things he offers me that include consistency, security and safety, total non-judgment and, for want of a better word, the love that I did not get from my parent. I wonder if you were to get that, the need to prosecute/bring charges would settle, because you would feel - finally - heard and seen and totally validated, and loved.

However, at the end of the day, I firmly believe that you do what you have to do. I knew my parent wouldn't react well to the letter I sent telling them how I felt about their behaviour during my childhood, but I didn't send it because of the reaction I was looking for - I sent it because I needed to stop carrying that pain around in secret and pretending all was fine. If you feel, deep down, that this is what you need to do, then build up your support network, gather all the emotional resources you can, get yourself in the best mental space you can, and do it. But you need to do it FOR YOU, and not in some childlike hope that they will turn around and acknowledge your pain and that they caused it (I say that because I know that there was a tiny part of me that hoped for that - I think it's only natural for our inner child to want that!). So do it, but do it for you. But be prepared for the very many negative outcomes that could happen, and make sure you are in a financial position to keep seeing your therapist throughout and afterwards.

And finally, I think you'll need to come to terms with the fact that, most likely, whatever you do, however much therapy you have, for the rest of your life you will carry this sadness of what you missed out on, what was so unfairly stolen from you. I understand how hard that is to bear, but the sooner you can accept it, the more at peace you can be. To me it's a lot like grief. Sometimes it feels completely unbearable. Sometimes, it feels okay and like just a thing that is part of my life. I just hope one day I get to a point where it doesn't define my life (and I feel like therapy delays that and I'm looking forward to moving past therapy and being able to be a little less self-focused!). And I hope you get to that point too, and no matter what decision you make regarding reporting your parents, I hope that you find peace, and enjoy happy years on this earth, having survived what you survived, and clearly being a strong and resilient person who has built a life out of rubble. You deserve peace, and you are worthy of a happy life.

Flowers for you.

TrueRefuge

oprahfan · 08/02/2020 18:22

@Gingerkittykat
I am so so sorry to hear about what you went through.
I want to believe Police Scotland have got it together, but I do not trust any institution or service to get it right. No one catches you. No one looks out for you.
I’ve wanted to break into little pieces. No one will put you back together again. It’s all down to you. Alone.
And you have paid a very high price for telling the truth.
You see, people are funny! They prefer lies! Even if it involves family. So incredibly sad and wasteful.
I can understand the person who backed you up, making a statement then not testifying.
Believe me when I said it’s not because of you.
I think back when I could have helped a neighbour many years ago who was being bullied by his employer.
His boss and assistant boss was banging on his door and windows, shouting, yelling, laughing, humiliating him. I witnessed and heard the whole lot.
I even yelled at them and made them leave. But when it came to a court case, I let my neighbour down.
I didn’t want to go through all the hassle of testifying, I was pregnant at the time, pukey as hell, and didn’t need the stress. I let him down.
You were let down. It’s what people do. Its rare to get a good one, but they are around all the same.
I’m very heartened to hear you have your own healthy family unit, but I know the slow burn of injustice will always be there. X

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lesleyw1953 · 08/02/2020 18:24

Sending you love and support - take legal advice. Knowledge is power, once you know all the options open to you you can make a decision. My heart goes out to you Flowers

UYScuti · 08/02/2020 18:32

But would abusive, controlling and coercive parents just suddenly turn into good people and have an epiphany one day?
nope, as they get older and their power and agency wanes they double down, they become more domineering and manipulative

oprahfan · 08/02/2020 18:36

@TrueRefuge
Fantastic words and thoughts from you there.
I do get on very well with my therapist, there is certainly a lot of trust there, I have come away for a little while as touching the wound is getting to me.
Not only do we talk about what I went through, we certainly have some lighter moments, which are much needed!

I know, and have known for many years, that I will NEVER get a single acknowledgment from my so called parents of their wrongdoings. They will never pipe up and say “oh, oprahfan, we were rotten to you on so many occasions and we were wrong to do and say so many hurtful things”.
The sadness will be with me until my final days, I realise that.
I get the point where you don’t want it to define your life.
Me neither.
I am more than what happened to me.
True, it has taken up a lot of space in my life.
I need to make space for new things now. I have to declutter and dejunk, and as we know with any kind of sorting, it’s dirty work!
Yes, there is grief. Lots of it.

Grief for the childhood I never had.
Grief for the parents I never had.
Grief for the life I could have had.
But I know you have to work with grief and there is never a time limit to grieve. Otherwise, if you don’t deal with grief, it deals with you, doesn’t it?

I too am longing to get past therapy. I think I want to live.
Thank you for your eloquent words and thoughts. With my best wishes to you x

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UYScuti · 08/02/2020 18:36

built a life out of rubble
I find this ^ a very powerful phrase

aroundtheworldyet · 08/02/2020 21:33

People let other people down all the time. It’s human. So if you need someone else to back you up. Then don’t rely on it.
People protect themselves - it’s easy to be “out of sight, out of mind” most people don’t help when it comes to a prosecution.

Sadly I think going down any route will be harder for you than it is for them.

I know this might be slightly controversial, but they’re not living a happy life, they are clearly deeply deeply damaged people themselves. I do believe that people are formed by their childhood in the majority. To one extreme or the other, which is important. I’m not saying they deserve sympathy btw.

At the end of the day, they haven’t won, they have desperately lost in the game of life. We are all here for a short period of time and to love and be loved is the greatest thing. This they know nothing of. Whereas you, well, you did win really, when you look at what life is supposed to be about.

FAQs · 08/02/2020 21:39

I also failed all my exams at school, school was my safe space, dreaded school holidays but just messed around. I went to Uni aged 29 via professional qualifications after talking my way into jobs and working my way up. Hugely held me back though, I also don’t like confrontation OP, so I understand but I do react differently, I match anger with anger, someone shouts I go from 0 - 60 but have huge adrenaline running through me and then crash and shake in private.

I’ve been know amongst other things to jump out of a car and take on an armed man attacking a family in a road rage incident he was so startled he jumped back in his car, after I told him to just fucking hit me if it made him feel better, the poor family in the car with two kids didn’t know what to do. I’d never hit anyone but can react as though I might do protecting others.

I’ve never held down a relationship because I have no trust or desire to trust, so you have done very well. You don’t need them, you’ve built your life despite them and should be very proud.

Gingerkittykat · 08/02/2020 21:48

I think people want to hold onto lies especially when it is family. It is so much easier to believe that a one dimensional bad stranger can do bad things but when it is someone who you love and have had good times with it is much harder.

You sound like you are doing brilliantly in moving on with your life and making sense of what has happened to you. I don't think this stuff ever goes away completely but rather you learn to live with the fallout.

oprahfan · 08/02/2020 21:53

@FAQs
So your response is 100% fight......have you heard of the fight/flight/freeze scenarios?
I tend to freeze or run.
I know you wouldn’t hit anyone, but I’m delighted to hear about Mr Roadrage scarpering, he’ll think very very carefully in future!
I had trouble staying in a job for years .....I would only stay months. First sign of yelling, screaming or lies, I was off! The adrenaline would course through my veins and I’d take a long time to come back to normal.
Whereas it’s relationships which trouble you.
I understand the trust thing. Totally.
The responses to being triggered.
And I never ever feel I’ve achieved a damn thing.

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oprahfan · 08/02/2020 21:58

@aroundtheworldyet
They’ve missed out on their only grandchildren. But they chose their course of behaviours. They fight and argue with each other constantly.
I remember my dad saying that him and my mum were a team.
Good on them.
What was their prize for the win?

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aroundtheworldyet · 08/02/2020 21:59

There’s no prize for them. And deep down they know it.
But people justify all kinds of crap to themselves. It’s amazing the capacity of humans to reconstruct things in their own minds so they don’t have to deal with the trauma.

IAmBeatrixKiddo · 08/02/2020 22:44

Just wanted to say you take my breath away too OP. The way you have brought up your children is frankly bloody amazing given the horrendous things you went through. Unfortunately so many people repeat the cycle of abuse, but you didn't. You're incredible. They are lucky to have you as their mum.

Those bastards can never take that away from you. And you have done that little girl you were so proud.

oprahfan · 09/02/2020 10:42

@IAmBeatrixKiddo

What a lovely post, thank you so much.

I keep forgetting about the little girl.....that little girl I think, would like the woman who takes her hand and tells her they will live a long way from any more hitting and shouting.
That little girl would love to be picked up, had stories read to her, had pretty clothes picked out for her.
That little girl would have had someone who stood right by her side, would have listened to her, taken her on little seaside holidays with ice cream and fish and chips, donkey rides and sandcastles.
Fishing in streams and rock pools, loving nature, looking for where the wild things are.
The woman would show her how to deal with bullies, maybe teach her some ninja martial arts moves, to stay away from liars, to show her all the amazing things that can make a life worthwhile.
The woman would encourage her in her school work, find the resources, and that she wouldn’t be left on her own to figure so much stuff out. To teach the girl she was capable of so much.
That little girl would know the woman thought her curious, a live wire, bright and energetic, they would know exactly what bird was around them and where they lived. Where to find frogs. The woman would keep her safe from so many predators.
And they’d make cakes. Grow vegetables. Run after cats then feed them bits of best ham.

That she was wanted.

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Ohchristmastreeohchristmastree · 10/02/2020 20:22

I just want to say that I am so sorry to hear what you have been through OP.
I also just wanted to say that ime healing comes from both letting feelings come out (in therapy and maybe mindfulness) but also taking attention away from suffering (spending time with your children, going on nice walks, watching funny films). Getting a balance is really important or you just get filled up with negative emotions by revisiting the bad stuff. And you don’t have to do that.

Also well done for the cycle of abuse stopping with you. It’s probably the hardest thing to do as it’s like you have take the impact of a punch (or the impact multigenerational abuse) so your children don’t have to. It means that you deal with all the pain and crap and it comes out of you. But it not only saves you children, but your grandchildren, great grandchildren etc. Just make sure you are kind to yourself too.

PregnantCat · 11/02/2020 03:44

Hiya. I completely sympathise with you. I was sexually abused by a parent and went to the police to report historic abuse. At times I regretted it because of how much pain it put me through (as you can predict, it didn’t go anywhere, ‘not enough evidence’). However I’m now three years on and don’t regret it most days. There is something liberating about speaking truth you’ve buried, so I would never tell anyone not to do it - just not to expect too much.

PregnantCat · 11/02/2020 03:48

Just reading your replies @oprahfan you sound like a wonderful, balanced person. Honestly it sounds like it would do your ‘parents’ a world of good to have the lid blown off on their version of reality. How wonderful that you’ve got away from their insanity - that’s the real victory here.

FartnissEverbeans · 11/02/2020 04:14

I don’t have much to add but as someone who has reported historical abuse to Police Scotland I can share my experience.

The police did not put one foot wrong throughout the entire process. They were excellent. They were so kind without being infantilising and were very honest about our chances of conviction. Honestly, after everything I’d heard about how the police deal with such issues in the media, I was shocked at just how skilfully they dealt with us.

If you report to Police Scotland the case will be sent to the procurator fiscal, who will decide whether there is evidence to push the case forward. In our case, the procurator fiscal decided not to pursue it, which in retrospect I think was the correct decision - the worst possible outcome would have been a ‘not guilty’ verdict. As it stands, the file is still open, waiting for any new evidence; the case can be reopened at any time.

Personally I didn’t find anything cathartic in the process. People kept saying ‘oh you must feel so much better now, like a weight has been lifted’, but I didn’t, at all. What happened had still happened. Over time it lifted slowly and I was so glad I didn’t have to carry the burden of that horrible secret around with me like a guilty child. It took time though.

oprahfan · 11/02/2020 07:26

@FartnissEverbeans @PregnantCat @Ohchristmastreeohchristmastree thank you so much for your thoughtful replies.
It’s a minefield.
I HAD to face the abuse cycle, as no more children down the line will have to face it. Life is confusing enough without the added mess of name calling, hitting, whatever. There’s plenty of that on the streets and beyond.
Home and family should be a place of safety, trust and warmth. It is the absolute truth that I knew to give my children a very solid foundation from which they could grow off.
To not keep moving schools and homes, to have their other grandparents a 5 minute walk away. I cannot tell you the horrific impact of being moved 500 + miles away from relatives, cousins, uncles and aunts. When I asked if I could have their telephone numbers to speak to them, my mother would fob me off. “Why do you want to speak to them?”.....to a flat “No” and no discussion. Now I know she was hiding something.
I have so much to think about in the coming days and weeks, I know there is no cathartic miracle.
The damage is done.
But I’m heartened to hear about your experiences with Police Scotland @FartnissEverbeans.

I’m very touched with your replies.

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Nyctophyllia · 11/02/2020 07:49

OP you do what you need to need to do, no one has the right to tell you your feelings are wrong, my parents are dead now but I wish I'd done something about it at the time, I understand the feelings of having to do something
I once posted on here about how to go about getting their gravestone taken down, I just felt like I had to something, anything, as an acknowledgement of what I'd been through
If this is what you need to do then you do it xx