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How can I get my BF to understand our situation just isn't working for me anymore? LONG!

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DarkRose · 06/02/2020 13:19

Hi everyone, I am new here but could really do with some advice on my current relationship as I'm at the end of my tether. This may be long so I apologise now.
I am a 31-year-old female, left home at 16, was married for 14 years and divorced in 2018, on good terms with my ex for my families sake, I have children, successful self-employed business, my own home, dog, cats and various other animals. ( My animal's references will make sense shortly).
I have been with my new man (44) for almost 2 years but we have been friends for roughly 5 years. He lives about 35 minutes drive from me, also self-employed. He is a lovely, kind, gentle, protective man, we have so much in common, he gets on with my children brilliantly. I love him. I am just tired of our situation. I've brought it up with him a thousand times I'm just starting to sound like a nag and he just can't see its a problem.
He still lives at home with his mum and 46-year-old brother. His brother is just always there. I feel like I'm competing for my boyfriend's attention constantly. He only sees me on the nights I don't have my children unless I really arrange it in advance and he will not drive to my house. He hasn't driven here once in the whole 2 years we've been together. If I want him to come down I have to pick him up and bring him here. He drives to various places during the week. Just not to mine and always has excuses.
He does so much with his brother that I am starting to resent his brother. If I bring up his brother's constant presence he always makes me feel bad saying my brother likes you and considers you a friend etc..
Our current week looks like this:
Monday - I have my children so stay at home, He goes out with his brother.
Tuesday - I have my children so stay at home, He goes to martial arts with his brother.
Wednesday - My ex has the kids, I drive to his once he's been out into town with his brother - his brother wants to get into town by 4 pm each Wednesday, I do all the school runs as my ex works until 5 so I can't ever join them as the shops will be shut by the time I reach them. So I seem him from 7 pm onwards. We have a few hours to ourself in his room then join his brother to watch something. I leave around 1 am.
Thursday - I have my children so stay at home, He does martial arts with his brother in the afternoon then have the evening watching things with his brother.
Friday - I have my children so stay home, He "needs to have some time to himself" so usually goes out with his brother or has friends over.
Saturday - I meet him and his brother at 3 pm and we go off and do something together. occasionally something just the pair of us. I pop back to mine later afternoon to deal with my animals. In the evening we sit down with his brother and mum for tea (cooked by his mum) then his brother goes out with their mum to "give us an empty house" from 9 pm to 1 am. When he comes home we watch something with his brother until we go to bed.
Sunday - We wake and have Sunday lunch with his mum and brother, cooked for by his mum. I go home as I have to look after my animals as he and his brother do martial arts and go to the cinema after. I sometimes join them in the cinema but what we go to watch isn't open for discussion, some films I don't want to see, those times I don't go I always get made to feel bad for not joining him at the cinema. When I say I'd love it if just the two of us went sometimes, like on a date, he claims his brother joins him and he cannot just tell him he isn't welcome.

I am made to feel guilty if I don't accept his hospitality when he invites me for tea on a Wednesday as well. But they eat at 6, by the time I've packed my children off, sorted my animals etc.. I cannot get to him on time. But apparently I am coming across rude when I don't join them and turn down hot food. He says I should accept his hospitality but he doesn't cook the meals, his 70-year-old mother does, he doesn't even know how to cook. So I feel uncomfortable doing it too often.

I argue with him constantly, just because I have my children It doesn't make me off-limits, they are young, they are all in bed by 8.30 pm, all good sleepers, sleeping through until 7 am. If they are such an issue why did he bother dating someone with children? Why can't he come down here once in a while once they are asleep? Or even when they aren't here, why do I always have to be the one that goes to his? He fobs me off with that this is only temporary and I need to be patient. Nothing has changed in 2 years! He says I should be grateful that his family like me and accepted me into the family so well, anyone else would love to spend time with a close-knit family. He understands that I'm not used to it as I left home so young but in other culters, his set up is considered normal and he considers himself lucky. He thought I liked that he was close to his family - Yes I do, but not so close that we have no breathing space. He claims if he came down during the week I would end up never going to his house and not seeing his family anymore and that would hurt them, and he can't ignore them or just not spend any time with them. I'm not asking that.

When I say his brother is too much, that I'm starting to resent him as he is always there and I want some time with my boyfriend to myself. He says as I mentioned above, makes me feel so guilty say his brother likes me and sees me as a good friend. I should be lucky to have a good friend he can completely vouch for.

When we are in his room, or downstairs with his brother, I can't quietly show my boyfriend something on my phone or talk to him quietly, his brother asks to see what we are looking at and what we are talking about every time. He will continue to ask until we answer him or tell him its private. Privacy isn't something he has much concept off as he doesn't have a FB so he always longs on to my boyfriend's computer and on to his FB so sometimes I don't know who I'm messaging. He takes my boyfriends car without asking most nights we are together so if I do manage to talk my boyfriend into being the one who drives. We can't as he has no car.

Every time I mention how much his brother is becoming an issue. He gets quite upset and says he can't go through this again. It turns out all his other relationships have ended just around the 2-year mark because of his brother. When I ask why he hasn't learnt from this, he says that it's his brother. He's lucky to have a brother like him.

I tell him I worry about a future with him, I would love to get married again but don't see how that is possible when he is that close to his brother and not willing to spend any time at mine or extra time with me. He says it will get better and I need to be patient. To prove how committed he is to me and our future we have recently bought a pet together, only the animal is at my house and he's only seen him once on the day we bought him.

I honestly thought a man who does live at home would jump at the chance to spend some alone time in an empty house each week. But now I'm just questioning what the hell is wrong with me.

Does anyone have any advice? I just don't know how much longer I can be a part-time girlfriend and he doesn't see that there's a problem. If not I'm just grateful for the opportunity to rant.

OP posts:
ChuckleBuckles · 07/02/2020 09:12

By the way, I would also be checking for hidden cameras in his bedroom if I were you

By the sounds of this set up his brother is probably just in the top bunk of their bunk beds when OP sleeps over, no need for hidden cameras at all.

Notwiththeseknees · 07/02/2020 09:13

You sound amazing OP. It's so easy to settle for something, but honestly, this man doesn't treat you even as second best.
Please, use your spare time to find a group to join and get out of this dreadful rut of making someone's twilight half-life your own. Join a running group, needlepoint, cycling, anything to remind you that life is for living. While you are independent, healthy and solvent get out there and have fun. Stop mouldering away in his bedroom.
Channel someone strong (Meghan Markle?) and tell him by phone. I'm sorry not working for me and then block and move back into the Life Lane!!

ravenmum · 07/02/2020 09:14

it appears you are repeating history with your own children if it's seen as normal for a 15 year old to be in bed by 8.30pm
If OP had a child at 16 I'm going to say that she might not have gone to bed by 8.30 every night at 15; what do you mean be repeating history?
Pretty normal for a 15-year-old to go to his bedroom by 8.30 on a school night and manage not to come into his mum's bedroom before 7 am, isn't it??

HowlsMovingBungalow · 07/02/2020 09:16

Failing to see how this man gets on well with your children when he refuses to visit your home, you don't take your children around to his mothers?

Get rid, he sounds like an utter immature bellend.
You can do so much better if you wish - I personally would be revelling in single life.

FilledSoda · 07/02/2020 09:32

I'd have left the pair of them to it the moment the brother turned up at the restaurant.
How did he explain that ?

Ragwort · 07/02/2020 09:37

You are 31, with your own home, family and business - why on earth do you stay in this non-relationship?

Where is your self esteem, just leave him, enjoy your life, you are so young. I am shocked that anyone would live like this.

I am nearly his mother's age, I would be mortified if my adults DS behaved like this (and as for 'leaving you alone on a Sat night for some privacy Hmm) - seriously can't you see that he is just using you for sex. He's got his mother for domestic duties, his brother for companionship so where does this leave your role ........................... would you want your DD to have a 'relationship' like this?

timeisnotaline · 07/02/2020 09:44

I just need him to not be so attached to his family.
With respect OP, you still can’t see the wood for the trees. It’s not just that his family are his priority; it’s really that you are NOT his priority. He will only see you if you drive to his. When he ‘needs some time on his own’ that comes out of time with you. Time with you is the LEAST important thing after his mum his brother his karate his job his life.
Find someone who prioritises you OP. The pathetic emotional blackmail approach he pulls whenever you want to just see him or not have lunch his MUM COOKED or god forbid see a movie you want to see is pukeworthy.

fastliving · 07/02/2020 09:50

It sounds like a very casual arrangement where you are friends with benefits - but somehow you think you are in a relationship?

He's not going to see you as relationship material after all these years - I doubt he will ever move out of his mums house, and when she passes away he will continue to live there with his brother.

If you want a relationship that is going to develop, this guy will not give you this, time for you to move on.

You are so young, don't you want to have a proper relationship at some point ?

fastliving · 07/02/2020 10:06

You seriously haven't realised you are being used for sex only?
But you have only been on one date in two years & even then the brother joined you?
They sound like creepy as fuck serial killers!

fastliving · 07/02/2020 10:07

(Sorry my first post was me not reading the whole thread, my second one after reading it properly!)

SurpriseSparDay · 07/02/2020 10:13

Sorry, not helpful - but I doubt I’ll be able to get a PP’s speculation about hidden cameras out of my mind all day ...

Roussette · 07/02/2020 10:31

We don't even know they have sex do we? OP, you sound so switched on apart from in this area of your life. Don't even think about trying to make it better, this is so far down the selfish strange road, he isn't going to change. If he does, he will just be paying lip service to it and it won't last.

Dozer · 07/02/2020 10:47

Talk to your mum if you wish, but don’t drive to see your boyfriend in the meantime. He won’t bother to drive to you so that will pause or even be enough to end it.

If your mum says anything other than “thank goodness you’ve finally seen the light” / “run for the hills” then she isn’t a sensible source of advice!

Bartlet · 07/02/2020 10:52

It doesn’t sound like a FWB scenario as that wouldn’t involve watching tv with his mum and brother. This sounds like a teenage romance. The OPs relationship maturity and expectations seems to have stalled when she met her ex and she has found someone else who is in that stunted “let’s date like a 15 year old” stage

DarkRose · 07/02/2020 11:03

Morning all.

So I would say thanks again for all your messages but some peoples replies are actually becoming a little cruel almost now and I didn't come here for that. Anyway to answer some questions.

We have the same circle of friends so we had been out to various gigs and nights out before we started dating. When we first started dating or whatever you want to call this weird situation. I didn't know he was living at home with his mum and brother straight away. When I found out he told me it was only temporary as his dad had recently died and he was helping out with the run of the house for his mum.

Yes this set up was working for me in the beginning as I didn't want anything serious as I'd come out or a long marriage and it was fun the sex was and is really good. I was under the allusion that, that was all temporary and within a few weeks/months when the feelings set in we would move on and he would move out.im still patiently waiting like a fool.
I've been so busy with my life aswell I guess I let it slide longer than it should have.

Those who have questioned my parenting. My eldest child is 14, will be 15 at the end of April. I do not tuck him in to bed at 8.30 when his youngest siblings go to bed. He and my other teenage son stay up until 9.30/9.45 PM a school night at 10 occasionally 10.30 PM on a weekend. At 8.30 PM I want a quiet house as my 6-year-old who is a painfully light sleeper goes to bed. So my eldest 2 are allowed to play on their computers in the bedrooms, downs stairs on the family console or watch a movie with me. They can go to bed when they like but they aren't allowed up later then then.

Last little update as the way some of the messages have turned from advice to criticism and reluctant to really reply much more. I finished it with him via text last night. He knows on a Friday I have a friend over in the evening for a glass of wine. I have done since I left my husband. She came over to keep me company and it sort of turned into a regular thing. He gave me the money earlier on in the week to pick something up from my local Argos as it wasn't in his. I did that. He messaged last night asking if I can drop it up. I said no. I have my friend coming over and obviously my kids. The tone of his messages changed and he was trying to bribe me, was saying he really wants it, hes been waiting for it. He'll have nothing todo this evening without it bla bla bla.. For the first time ever offered to give me something towards petrol as he could see I wasn't going to budge. I'm technically seeing him tomorrow so I couldn't understand why he couldn't wait another night. He then was saying how hes being cute offering me money and the bit that was my final straw said "I thought you would want to see me" not I want to see you. I said no again, told him he was being pushy and if he wanted it that bad then he could drive down. He replied that, that was a nasty accusations to call him pushy and asked how shallow I think he is. I just said this isn't working out anymore. I'm miserable with this set up, it has no future and I refuse to continue to wait patiently for nothing. I told him if he wants his thing he can drive down and get it. I woke up to 18 messages from him and 2 missed calls. Will see if he makes the effort to come down or not. It depends on how badly he wants his Argos item.

OP posts:
Roussette · 07/02/2020 11:13

DarkRose Well done. I'm sure you feel sick with all of this but you really have done the right thing
Especially when the item from Argos means more to him than you do.

I am so glad to hear you have a friend coming over. Stay strong. Don't accept small changes like he'll come to you as a one off. He has treated you very badly and actually lied to you. It was never a temporary arrangement him living at home. Good luck

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 07/02/2020 11:18

I told him if he wants his thing he can drive down and get it.

Well done @DarkRose.

I woke up to 18 messages from him and 2 missed calls.

Please, please avoid the temptation to text or call back.

He's not worthy of your time.

fedup21 · 07/02/2020 11:25

What excuses does he give for never driving to yours (Other than the crap one about if he comes to yours then you’ll never go to his?)?

I’m intrigued! He can drive, and you’ve got something he wants. He asks you to it to him, you tell him you’re busy but he can come and get it-what is his actual excuse for not coming?

ravenmum · 07/02/2020 11:28

Well, that was kind of him to make it a little easier for you to finish it quickly, I guess. I hope this hasn't left you feeling too battered.

SurpriseSparDay · 07/02/2020 11:28

Let me guess, it’s a PS4 wireless controller isn’t it? Green Camo version?

And now he’ll have nothing to do all evening ... In other words he won’t be able to play games with his brother.

TwentyViginti · 07/02/2020 11:29

"I thought you would want to see me" not I want to see you.

Says it all. He thinks he's quite the thing doesn't he?

OP some replies may seem harsh but posters are enraged for you, at the way this man has strung you along in this fucked up non relationship, and are incredulous that it has gone on for as long as it has.

The Argos palaver seems to sum up his thinking, which is ME ME ME.

How dare you not run his errands and be grateful for the extra chance to see him!

ravenmum · 07/02/2020 11:32

@SurpriseSparDay I was going to say the same thing but chickened out

Dozer · 07/02/2020 11:34

V hopeful that you have (sort of) ended it. Suggest no contact from now on. Don’t cave!

He wanted you to drive over an hour, on a day when you have regular plans, just to drop off a parcel for him. Does he think you’re a delivery service?

Don’t drive over there at the weekend either. As you say, if he wants it that badly he can come and get it. Other (better) options would be to return it to the retailer or to drop it off at a willing mutual friend’s closer to you and he can arrange to collect it from them.

Dozer · 07/02/2020 11:35

Then you don’t have to see the lazy, selfish git.

Trahira · 07/02/2020 11:43

He’s so arrogant! “I thought you would want to see me” - so you can have the privilege of driving over with his item and seeing him very briefly before heading back to spend the evening with your friend - lucky you! He really thinks a lot of himself.