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How can I get my BF to understand our situation just isn't working for me anymore? LONG!

227 replies

DarkRose · 06/02/2020 13:19

Hi everyone, I am new here but could really do with some advice on my current relationship as I'm at the end of my tether. This may be long so I apologise now.
I am a 31-year-old female, left home at 16, was married for 14 years and divorced in 2018, on good terms with my ex for my families sake, I have children, successful self-employed business, my own home, dog, cats and various other animals. ( My animal's references will make sense shortly).
I have been with my new man (44) for almost 2 years but we have been friends for roughly 5 years. He lives about 35 minutes drive from me, also self-employed. He is a lovely, kind, gentle, protective man, we have so much in common, he gets on with my children brilliantly. I love him. I am just tired of our situation. I've brought it up with him a thousand times I'm just starting to sound like a nag and he just can't see its a problem.
He still lives at home with his mum and 46-year-old brother. His brother is just always there. I feel like I'm competing for my boyfriend's attention constantly. He only sees me on the nights I don't have my children unless I really arrange it in advance and he will not drive to my house. He hasn't driven here once in the whole 2 years we've been together. If I want him to come down I have to pick him up and bring him here. He drives to various places during the week. Just not to mine and always has excuses.
He does so much with his brother that I am starting to resent his brother. If I bring up his brother's constant presence he always makes me feel bad saying my brother likes you and considers you a friend etc..
Our current week looks like this:
Monday - I have my children so stay at home, He goes out with his brother.
Tuesday - I have my children so stay at home, He goes to martial arts with his brother.
Wednesday - My ex has the kids, I drive to his once he's been out into town with his brother - his brother wants to get into town by 4 pm each Wednesday, I do all the school runs as my ex works until 5 so I can't ever join them as the shops will be shut by the time I reach them. So I seem him from 7 pm onwards. We have a few hours to ourself in his room then join his brother to watch something. I leave around 1 am.
Thursday - I have my children so stay at home, He does martial arts with his brother in the afternoon then have the evening watching things with his brother.
Friday - I have my children so stay home, He "needs to have some time to himself" so usually goes out with his brother or has friends over.
Saturday - I meet him and his brother at 3 pm and we go off and do something together. occasionally something just the pair of us. I pop back to mine later afternoon to deal with my animals. In the evening we sit down with his brother and mum for tea (cooked by his mum) then his brother goes out with their mum to "give us an empty house" from 9 pm to 1 am. When he comes home we watch something with his brother until we go to bed.
Sunday - We wake and have Sunday lunch with his mum and brother, cooked for by his mum. I go home as I have to look after my animals as he and his brother do martial arts and go to the cinema after. I sometimes join them in the cinema but what we go to watch isn't open for discussion, some films I don't want to see, those times I don't go I always get made to feel bad for not joining him at the cinema. When I say I'd love it if just the two of us went sometimes, like on a date, he claims his brother joins him and he cannot just tell him he isn't welcome.

I am made to feel guilty if I don't accept his hospitality when he invites me for tea on a Wednesday as well. But they eat at 6, by the time I've packed my children off, sorted my animals etc.. I cannot get to him on time. But apparently I am coming across rude when I don't join them and turn down hot food. He says I should accept his hospitality but he doesn't cook the meals, his 70-year-old mother does, he doesn't even know how to cook. So I feel uncomfortable doing it too often.

I argue with him constantly, just because I have my children It doesn't make me off-limits, they are young, they are all in bed by 8.30 pm, all good sleepers, sleeping through until 7 am. If they are such an issue why did he bother dating someone with children? Why can't he come down here once in a while once they are asleep? Or even when they aren't here, why do I always have to be the one that goes to his? He fobs me off with that this is only temporary and I need to be patient. Nothing has changed in 2 years! He says I should be grateful that his family like me and accepted me into the family so well, anyone else would love to spend time with a close-knit family. He understands that I'm not used to it as I left home so young but in other culters, his set up is considered normal and he considers himself lucky. He thought I liked that he was close to his family - Yes I do, but not so close that we have no breathing space. He claims if he came down during the week I would end up never going to his house and not seeing his family anymore and that would hurt them, and he can't ignore them or just not spend any time with them. I'm not asking that.

When I say his brother is too much, that I'm starting to resent him as he is always there and I want some time with my boyfriend to myself. He says as I mentioned above, makes me feel so guilty say his brother likes me and sees me as a good friend. I should be lucky to have a good friend he can completely vouch for.

When we are in his room, or downstairs with his brother, I can't quietly show my boyfriend something on my phone or talk to him quietly, his brother asks to see what we are looking at and what we are talking about every time. He will continue to ask until we answer him or tell him its private. Privacy isn't something he has much concept off as he doesn't have a FB so he always longs on to my boyfriend's computer and on to his FB so sometimes I don't know who I'm messaging. He takes my boyfriends car without asking most nights we are together so if I do manage to talk my boyfriend into being the one who drives. We can't as he has no car.

Every time I mention how much his brother is becoming an issue. He gets quite upset and says he can't go through this again. It turns out all his other relationships have ended just around the 2-year mark because of his brother. When I ask why he hasn't learnt from this, he says that it's his brother. He's lucky to have a brother like him.

I tell him I worry about a future with him, I would love to get married again but don't see how that is possible when he is that close to his brother and not willing to spend any time at mine or extra time with me. He says it will get better and I need to be patient. To prove how committed he is to me and our future we have recently bought a pet together, only the animal is at my house and he's only seen him once on the day we bought him.

I honestly thought a man who does live at home would jump at the chance to spend some alone time in an empty house each week. But now I'm just questioning what the hell is wrong with me.

Does anyone have any advice? I just don't know how much longer I can be a part-time girlfriend and he doesn't see that there's a problem. If not I'm just grateful for the opportunity to rant.

OP posts:
Deb2020 · 06/02/2020 14:01

Leave this is not a relationship at all. It's all one sided from the sounds of it

DivGirl · 06/02/2020 14:04

44?! Forty four?!

I refuse to believe this situation is real - it sounds mental.

bumpertobumper · 06/02/2020 14:05

I agree with what everyone has said about him. But am curious about you and why you have got into and stayed in this situation...
From the info you gave it seems that you left home at 16 and at that point were with your exH, after your marriage broke up you must have almost immediately started seeing the boyfriend. So I am struck that you have never been single as an adult. The relationship you are having is very teenage in its nature.
You learn a lot about yourself and who you are when not in a relationship and it seems that this could be a beneficial thing for you to do. Get some perspective about what what makes and you want from a mature, functional, relationship.

PinkMonkeyBird · 06/02/2020 14:07

Jesus...sorry I couldn't deal with this at all. He and his brother are still Mummy's Boys and mentally aged 10 and 12 years old. I'd dump. You deserve someone who is going to be a proper bloody adult and equal. How you've put up with this for 2 years is beyond me!

oldfashionedtastingtea · 06/02/2020 14:13

It almost sounds pedophile, having a relationship with someone who hasn't matured beyond 12. Fuck that, my brother and I could cook and do stuff alone at 12....

Just dump him, he is wasting your time. He doesn't need to understand.

Qual1tyQuantity · 06/02/2020 14:15

He is not going to change

If you want romance, holidays, marriage, he is not the man for you

You currently do "all the traveling/running to him" do you think that he would put even one percent effort in for you ?

He has it too easy

Lambster · 06/02/2020 14:17

This sounds utterly bonkers!! So much so that I can't believe you're asking what to do - after TWO years of this shit..

Was your previous relationship abnormal / abusive? As I can't understand why anyone would put up with this relationship set-up for so long.

74NewStreet · 06/02/2020 14:20

Sadly, he doesn’t give a toss that it’s not working for you. Hasn’t he made that clear enough?

HelenUrth · 06/02/2020 14:21

Not only is he not listening to you, he's telling you how to feel.
Major red flag.

Through his previous relationships he has demonstrated that his mummy and brother are his priorities, so its "get with the programme or get out". He has no intention of changing. Ever.

He's quite happy to use your background against you and suggest he is living the "proper" way. He isn't, it's far from a normal setup.

Not a nice guy really. I'm sure you could do better.

pickletickled · 06/02/2020 14:22

Agree with others that he's not going to change.

He's told you his other relationships have been affected by his relationship with his brother and gets upset when you mention it - that in itself is telling....he obviously isn't upset in a way that he's afraid of losing you or he'd have taken on board what you said the first time you mentioned it and then tried to sort it out.
He's upset because he knows he won't change but he's going to lose his regular leg over under mummy's roof (sorry but grim unless you're a teenager with nowhere else to go) that YOU have to deliver to him because he won't drive to you and behave like an adult!
In your shoes I'd end it with this manchild. Sorry!
You are worth so much more than what he is offering you OP

TwentyViginti · 06/02/2020 14:24

You are describing a teenage bf/gf situation, not a mature adult one.

HollowTalk · 06/02/2020 14:25

This sounds insane. As a PP said, you are a great catch. Him, on the other hand... bloody hell. They live like teenage boys who haven't developed to the point they're interested in girls.

Oulu · 06/02/2020 14:25

Friday - I have my children so stay home, He "needs to have some time to himself" so usually goes out with his brother or has friends over.

He needs time to himself despite having all of Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday mornings to himself? What are his excuses for not driving to yours?

It turns out all his other relationships have ended just around the 2-year mark because of his brother. When I ask why he hasn't learnt from this, he says that it's his brother. He's lucky to have a brother like him.

So what you learn from that is that he will always put his brother ahead of any relationship.

This is just not going to change. You need to cut your losses and move on.

RantyAnty · 06/02/2020 14:25

They remind me of the 2 brothers in the movie Stepbrothers.
They're always playing karate in the garage.

Where on earth did you meet this guy?
I am speechless how he's managed to get any girlfriends. He must be attractive.

There is nothing nice or kind about him at all.
His family situation is highly dysfunctional and weird.

Does he really actually work as it doesn't sound like it? It sounds like some hobby thing he plays at while mum pays for everything.

But yes 100% LTB

Sign up for the freedom programme and do that. Stay single for a good while as in a couple of years, and get some counseling.

EKGEMS · 06/02/2020 14:26

My advice? Date someone who's a grownup, mature adult and not an emotionally stunted self centered prick

hambledon · 06/02/2020 14:27

OP you mentioned that you left home at 16. I guess you realise this is significant and sheds light on your present situation. It's like you had a missing stage in your life, the stage where most people begin romantic relationships but with their boyfriend's family in the picture. This is kind of normal from the ages of 16 to 25 and also can provide protection during the early stages of adulthood because your partner's family are looking out for you, maybe cooking for you etc. I remember my boyfriends parents were role models to me at that age. It was great to find out how other families did things.

But you are a fully mature woman with children of your own. The situation you describe is really odd and can't possibly make you happy long term. You need to finish the relationship, get some counselling to talk about what attracted you to this strange set up (which will involve unpicking that period of your life when you left home). Then go out and develop relationships with mature adults. Despite this odd relationship you sound like a great person and I'm sure you will find someone!

alliwantisabitofpeace · 06/02/2020 14:28

Wow. The fact he will no drive to you is enough of a reason alone to LTB.

My partner of 3.5 years lives with his mum and drives the hour to my house once or twice during the week and then stays Friday through to Monday morning. The first 6 months of our relationship he'd spend 4-6 hours on a Friday to get from his place of work to me just for one night!

If you have told him all of this and he is not listening and taking your feelings into consideration its time you just tell him its over. You are clearly not a priority in his life and given all his previous relationships have failed for this very reason he WILL NOT CHANGE.

Apolloanddaphne · 06/02/2020 14:29

He is not going to change. He has his life exactly how he likes it and wants it. You need to leave him as it is not working for you and you deserve better.

CheddarGorgeous · 06/02/2020 14:39

Yes, absolutely LTBB (leave the bastard and brother).

Or, fix the brother up with someone so he leaves you!

I'm fascinated by the family dynamic though. Men in their 40s inseparable from each other .

TreatMyself · 06/02/2020 14:42

Omg their poor mother having her children in their 40s still living with her! The thought of my teenage dd still living with me in 30 years time fills me with dread.

On the other hand she must be getting something from it and so are they. Very weird.

Has he ever left home?

Why oh why did you carry on seeing him after he first told you his living arrangements?

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 06/02/2020 14:47

RUN LIKE THE WIND.

Honestly, the whole thing has covered with red flags. He still lives with his Mum, expects her to cook for him, is co-dependent on his brother, hasn't bothered to drive to your place in 2 YEARS!?!?!...

How in God's name have you put up with being treated like this for so long? Bin him now and have some self-respect.

FairyBatman · 06/02/2020 14:50

The whole set up sounds like the brothers are trapped in their teenage years. Overgrown man children.

I bet you £££ if you managed to get him to separate a bit the mum would turn on you.

I’d dump him as it all sounds like very hard work.

DarkRose · 06/02/2020 14:59

Hi all, thank you for all your replies. I'm on the school run now so will reply better later. I really appreciate the honest answers. It makes me feel less crazy about this situation as I knew it wasn't right and getting more and more miserable by the week.

For those of you who questioned me and my past relationship and leaving home so young. I met my exhusband when I was 15 and still living at home. We fell pregnant with our eldest when I was 16. 3 months before my son was born my gran died and left house and inheritance to my dad who is an only child. They bought me a little flat 2 minutes down the road from them so I could raise my son how I wanted to raise him and start a family with my then boyfriend. We got married, had a long happy marriage. If 2013 he got his dream job and thrived in it. Within the year he was team lead. But being team lead came with more hours and more commitments. He was coming home stressed and tired and it soon escalated in him not really wanting to spend time with me and the children as he was just exhausted. We separated when he realised how unhappy I was. Lived as housemates for 4 months or so until he found somewhere close by to where I now living, hes 2 minutes down the road. We divorced a year or so after that.
I'm still what I consider close to my family dispite leaving home so young. They live 15 minutes away, I speak to my parents on the phone every morning for about 5 minutes or so. They are both in their 70s now so I feel like I want to check in on them a little more. I meet my mum once a week for lunch and my children go up to theirs once a fortnight for dinner. I speak to my brother via text once or twice a month. Hes a lot older than me and busy but we know the other one will be there if needed.

OP posts:
Sunflowersok · 06/02/2020 15:53

Oh my word you are in a three way relationship with him and his brother. Way too much that’s mad.

It sounds like brother will Always come before you. Always. And him saying you need to be patient is just a passive aggressive tactic to cling on to his way of life for a little bit longer. And then longer. And then longer.

Whatisthisfuckery · 06/02/2020 16:01

I got fed up just reading that op. It’s not a real relationship. MoveOn.