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How can I get my BF to understand our situation just isn't working for me anymore? LONG!

227 replies

DarkRose · 06/02/2020 13:19

Hi everyone, I am new here but could really do with some advice on my current relationship as I'm at the end of my tether. This may be long so I apologise now.
I am a 31-year-old female, left home at 16, was married for 14 years and divorced in 2018, on good terms with my ex for my families sake, I have children, successful self-employed business, my own home, dog, cats and various other animals. ( My animal's references will make sense shortly).
I have been with my new man (44) for almost 2 years but we have been friends for roughly 5 years. He lives about 35 minutes drive from me, also self-employed. He is a lovely, kind, gentle, protective man, we have so much in common, he gets on with my children brilliantly. I love him. I am just tired of our situation. I've brought it up with him a thousand times I'm just starting to sound like a nag and he just can't see its a problem.
He still lives at home with his mum and 46-year-old brother. His brother is just always there. I feel like I'm competing for my boyfriend's attention constantly. He only sees me on the nights I don't have my children unless I really arrange it in advance and he will not drive to my house. He hasn't driven here once in the whole 2 years we've been together. If I want him to come down I have to pick him up and bring him here. He drives to various places during the week. Just not to mine and always has excuses.
He does so much with his brother that I am starting to resent his brother. If I bring up his brother's constant presence he always makes me feel bad saying my brother likes you and considers you a friend etc..
Our current week looks like this:
Monday - I have my children so stay at home, He goes out with his brother.
Tuesday - I have my children so stay at home, He goes to martial arts with his brother.
Wednesday - My ex has the kids, I drive to his once he's been out into town with his brother - his brother wants to get into town by 4 pm each Wednesday, I do all the school runs as my ex works until 5 so I can't ever join them as the shops will be shut by the time I reach them. So I seem him from 7 pm onwards. We have a few hours to ourself in his room then join his brother to watch something. I leave around 1 am.
Thursday - I have my children so stay at home, He does martial arts with his brother in the afternoon then have the evening watching things with his brother.
Friday - I have my children so stay home, He "needs to have some time to himself" so usually goes out with his brother or has friends over.
Saturday - I meet him and his brother at 3 pm and we go off and do something together. occasionally something just the pair of us. I pop back to mine later afternoon to deal with my animals. In the evening we sit down with his brother and mum for tea (cooked by his mum) then his brother goes out with their mum to "give us an empty house" from 9 pm to 1 am. When he comes home we watch something with his brother until we go to bed.
Sunday - We wake and have Sunday lunch with his mum and brother, cooked for by his mum. I go home as I have to look after my animals as he and his brother do martial arts and go to the cinema after. I sometimes join them in the cinema but what we go to watch isn't open for discussion, some films I don't want to see, those times I don't go I always get made to feel bad for not joining him at the cinema. When I say I'd love it if just the two of us went sometimes, like on a date, he claims his brother joins him and he cannot just tell him he isn't welcome.

I am made to feel guilty if I don't accept his hospitality when he invites me for tea on a Wednesday as well. But they eat at 6, by the time I've packed my children off, sorted my animals etc.. I cannot get to him on time. But apparently I am coming across rude when I don't join them and turn down hot food. He says I should accept his hospitality but he doesn't cook the meals, his 70-year-old mother does, he doesn't even know how to cook. So I feel uncomfortable doing it too often.

I argue with him constantly, just because I have my children It doesn't make me off-limits, they are young, they are all in bed by 8.30 pm, all good sleepers, sleeping through until 7 am. If they are such an issue why did he bother dating someone with children? Why can't he come down here once in a while once they are asleep? Or even when they aren't here, why do I always have to be the one that goes to his? He fobs me off with that this is only temporary and I need to be patient. Nothing has changed in 2 years! He says I should be grateful that his family like me and accepted me into the family so well, anyone else would love to spend time with a close-knit family. He understands that I'm not used to it as I left home so young but in other culters, his set up is considered normal and he considers himself lucky. He thought I liked that he was close to his family - Yes I do, but not so close that we have no breathing space. He claims if he came down during the week I would end up never going to his house and not seeing his family anymore and that would hurt them, and he can't ignore them or just not spend any time with them. I'm not asking that.

When I say his brother is too much, that I'm starting to resent him as he is always there and I want some time with my boyfriend to myself. He says as I mentioned above, makes me feel so guilty say his brother likes me and sees me as a good friend. I should be lucky to have a good friend he can completely vouch for.

When we are in his room, or downstairs with his brother, I can't quietly show my boyfriend something on my phone or talk to him quietly, his brother asks to see what we are looking at and what we are talking about every time. He will continue to ask until we answer him or tell him its private. Privacy isn't something he has much concept off as he doesn't have a FB so he always longs on to my boyfriend's computer and on to his FB so sometimes I don't know who I'm messaging. He takes my boyfriends car without asking most nights we are together so if I do manage to talk my boyfriend into being the one who drives. We can't as he has no car.

Every time I mention how much his brother is becoming an issue. He gets quite upset and says he can't go through this again. It turns out all his other relationships have ended just around the 2-year mark because of his brother. When I ask why he hasn't learnt from this, he says that it's his brother. He's lucky to have a brother like him.

I tell him I worry about a future with him, I would love to get married again but don't see how that is possible when he is that close to his brother and not willing to spend any time at mine or extra time with me. He says it will get better and I need to be patient. To prove how committed he is to me and our future we have recently bought a pet together, only the animal is at my house and he's only seen him once on the day we bought him.

I honestly thought a man who does live at home would jump at the chance to spend some alone time in an empty house each week. But now I'm just questioning what the hell is wrong with me.

Does anyone have any advice? I just don't know how much longer I can be a part-time girlfriend and he doesn't see that there's a problem. If not I'm just grateful for the opportunity to rant.

OP posts:
Bluntness100 · 06/02/2020 20:58

This is just odd. Is there some form of cultural thing going on here, although I can't think what?

Is he maybe not neurotypical op? It's not normal behaviour, more like that of a young teenager, who is not neurtypical and scared to be away from his family.

I'm not sure how you find it attractive, I'm sorry. I couldn't. I like my men to be adults.

FlaskMaster · 06/02/2020 21:01

He's a teenager in a 44 year old body. Have some self respect. He does nothing for you, he barely does anything for himself. He's ridiculous and this relationship is you delivering him sex and company on his terms while mummy's in the next room washing his pants. Ditch him and find a grown up to date.

othervoicesotherrooms · 06/02/2020 21:27

Does he work? With his brother?

CrimsonCattery · 06/02/2020 21:48

Does his brother have SEN? Has brother ever had a girlfriend? Very odd

fuckoffImcounting · 06/02/2020 21:51

Sorry OP, he may be a lovely man, but he is an unavailable lovely man. For reasons that most adults who have made the move away can't understand, he is still deeply connected to his family of origin and wants to continue to be so, to the detriment of any other relationships, sadly like yours. He is telling you who he is, very, very clearly. You should listen so that you don't get hurt (any worse).

DoAsYouWouldBeMumBy · 06/02/2020 22:01

OP, I'm not saying that you are making this up - but the situation is so ridiculous that I find it impossible to believe that a woman who could write such a clear, coherent post would be stupid enough to fall for that crap.

Maybe something awful happened to you when you were younger, and that's why you have so little self esteem. Don't be such a poor role model to your kids - dump him and move on. That's if it's true - it's REALLY hard to believe.

AnuvvaMuvva · 06/02/2020 22:16

But now I'm just questioning what the hell is wrong with me.

Remember, HE DOES THIS EVERY TIME WITH EVERY WOMAN. It's 100-% nothing to do with you!

The only time you should worry what's wrong with you is when you don't dump him. 😆

AnuvvaMuvva · 06/02/2020 22:19

And he's a commitmentphobe.

Some other clues:

Did he get quite keen on you early on?

Does he now seem to criticise you for things which he knew about you when you first met?

Does he work for himself, or freelance/contract, instead of having a permanent full time job?

Has he avoided making financial commitments, like buying property?

Has he only a few friends?

TheMotherofAllDilemmas · 06/02/2020 22:25

Honestly... I think he us having his cake and eating it, he puts zero effort, has sex delivered to his door and spends the rest of the time enjoying himself with other people.

I can assure you that there is no way you can convince him to progress the relationship. He has known from the start you are not the one for him. If what you want is a live in partner and family life, please don’t waste more time on him, this is not going anywhere.

DarkRose · 06/02/2020 22:31

Evening everyone.

Thanks again for all your replies. You've definitely given me a lot to think about.
To answer some questions.
No his brother is no SN. But has also never had a girlfriend or any relationships of any sorts.
His mum is in good health.
Not a farmer but has a successful business he owns.
No we have never gone away from the weekend, been out for a meal once last year, followed by a gig for my birthday. I made it very clear I didn't want his brother joining us at all, it was my day and just the two of us, he agreed to this and our evening was going brilliant until his brother appeared by our table at about 10.30pm. My BF was as surprised to see him as I was.
He is a nice guy, we have a laugh when we are together. And I do love him. I just need him to not be so attached to his family. But a few of you have said things that have made me see the whole situation through new eyes and that is never going to happen. I will never be more important than his brother and mum. I want to be someones number one priority and I'll never be his.
Going to have lunch with my mum next week and show her your replies and ask for her advice on how to leave him. I can't just ghost him, I don't want to hurt him as it's not in me to be nasty when I don't have to be.

Thanks again.

OP posts:
morrisseysquif · 06/02/2020 22:34

You say He is a lovely, kind, gentle, protective man, we have so much in common

Yet your post suggests the opposite.

You are deluded, he has you where he wants you.

Melissana · 06/02/2020 22:39

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FancyPants20 · 06/02/2020 22:43

Well, he sounds like a giant loser. His whole situation is just....eurgh. Run away, Op.

seltaeb · 06/02/2020 22:47

IMO you are wasting your time with this man.

Stephminx · 06/02/2020 22:50

What on Earth did I just read. No, just.... no. Move on. Quickly.

Squirrelpeanutbutter · 06/02/2020 22:57

You just need to tell him it’s over. He’ll know why, there’s no need for any explanation. Dump and move on.

candycane222 · 06/02/2020 23:11

It will be kinder (to both of you) to be very clear, rather than be vague and give him hope or scope to argue and try to guilt you again.

Mintlegs · 06/02/2020 23:19

It’s great that you are acknowledging the issues but I’m sure very sad at the thought of ending things. The person is a ‘manchild’ and the problem is there. You deserve better x

Walkacrossthesand · 06/02/2020 23:27

As someone said upthread, this relationship will be very easy to end, once you're ready - all you have to do, is say you're tired of driving to his place and want him to come to yours. That's it. You'll see him when he comes to your house - without his mum/ brother of course!

yesterdaystotalsteps123 · 06/02/2020 23:34

Just text him "my needs are not being met in this relationship and I love and respect myself too much to continue it. Good luck and wishing you the best Darkrose" then when he tries to blame you and start the FOG (fear, obligation, guilt) then just say"I'm sorry you feel that way but my needs are not being met in this relationship" no matter what he says.

dustibooks · 06/02/2020 23:46

So who told his brother where the two of you were going to be that evening? Bruv must have known where you were going, otherwise how did he manage to just turn up as if by magic? And your bf being 'surprised' he was there... not.

JaniceBattersby · 06/02/2020 23:52

Good Lord. I think once you’re out of this relationship you will look back and realise quite how absolutely odd it is. His brother turned up at your birthday after expressly being told not to?! SURPRISE!

I can’t believe you didn’t end it there and then.

What stood out in your pots for me was that he consistently tries to make you feel guilty for not just STFU and accepting this situation. He acts as though you should in some way be grateful. It’s gaslighting. He’s making the problem yours when he knows full well it’s his. There is no way back for this relationship.

SandyY2K · 06/02/2020 23:58

So who told his brother where the two of you were going to be that evening?

My sentiments exactly. Unless there's only one restaurant in a 50 mile radius...your BF told him where you would be.

You say he's not SN? Well I beg to differ...a normal 46 year old wouldn't do that.

A 46 year old of any gender who has never had a relationship, would be a sign something isn't altogether right.

It doesn't sound like he or his brother have any friends.

Having said that, a woman your age shouldn't need to show this thread to your mum for help on how to end it.

Bartlet · 07/02/2020 00:29

Neither of you sound like particularly fully functioning adults. The situation with him and his weird family setup seems irretrievable but should have been ringing alarm bells in your head on the first date.

You seem so dependent on your parents even to the point of needing your mum to help you dump him. This implies that you probably have similar reliance issues so his behaviour doesn’t seem as crazy to you as to many other people.

SurpriseSparDay · 07/02/2020 00:47

Oh.

Are you all members of a particular sect? Only, some of the advice here might be pointless if so.