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How can I get my BF to understand our situation just isn't working for me anymore? LONG!

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DarkRose · 06/02/2020 13:19

Hi everyone, I am new here but could really do with some advice on my current relationship as I'm at the end of my tether. This may be long so I apologise now.
I am a 31-year-old female, left home at 16, was married for 14 years and divorced in 2018, on good terms with my ex for my families sake, I have children, successful self-employed business, my own home, dog, cats and various other animals. ( My animal's references will make sense shortly).
I have been with my new man (44) for almost 2 years but we have been friends for roughly 5 years. He lives about 35 minutes drive from me, also self-employed. He is a lovely, kind, gentle, protective man, we have so much in common, he gets on with my children brilliantly. I love him. I am just tired of our situation. I've brought it up with him a thousand times I'm just starting to sound like a nag and he just can't see its a problem.
He still lives at home with his mum and 46-year-old brother. His brother is just always there. I feel like I'm competing for my boyfriend's attention constantly. He only sees me on the nights I don't have my children unless I really arrange it in advance and he will not drive to my house. He hasn't driven here once in the whole 2 years we've been together. If I want him to come down I have to pick him up and bring him here. He drives to various places during the week. Just not to mine and always has excuses.
He does so much with his brother that I am starting to resent his brother. If I bring up his brother's constant presence he always makes me feel bad saying my brother likes you and considers you a friend etc..
Our current week looks like this:
Monday - I have my children so stay at home, He goes out with his brother.
Tuesday - I have my children so stay at home, He goes to martial arts with his brother.
Wednesday - My ex has the kids, I drive to his once he's been out into town with his brother - his brother wants to get into town by 4 pm each Wednesday, I do all the school runs as my ex works until 5 so I can't ever join them as the shops will be shut by the time I reach them. So I seem him from 7 pm onwards. We have a few hours to ourself in his room then join his brother to watch something. I leave around 1 am.
Thursday - I have my children so stay at home, He does martial arts with his brother in the afternoon then have the evening watching things with his brother.
Friday - I have my children so stay home, He "needs to have some time to himself" so usually goes out with his brother or has friends over.
Saturday - I meet him and his brother at 3 pm and we go off and do something together. occasionally something just the pair of us. I pop back to mine later afternoon to deal with my animals. In the evening we sit down with his brother and mum for tea (cooked by his mum) then his brother goes out with their mum to "give us an empty house" from 9 pm to 1 am. When he comes home we watch something with his brother until we go to bed.
Sunday - We wake and have Sunday lunch with his mum and brother, cooked for by his mum. I go home as I have to look after my animals as he and his brother do martial arts and go to the cinema after. I sometimes join them in the cinema but what we go to watch isn't open for discussion, some films I don't want to see, those times I don't go I always get made to feel bad for not joining him at the cinema. When I say I'd love it if just the two of us went sometimes, like on a date, he claims his brother joins him and he cannot just tell him he isn't welcome.

I am made to feel guilty if I don't accept his hospitality when he invites me for tea on a Wednesday as well. But they eat at 6, by the time I've packed my children off, sorted my animals etc.. I cannot get to him on time. But apparently I am coming across rude when I don't join them and turn down hot food. He says I should accept his hospitality but he doesn't cook the meals, his 70-year-old mother does, he doesn't even know how to cook. So I feel uncomfortable doing it too often.

I argue with him constantly, just because I have my children It doesn't make me off-limits, they are young, they are all in bed by 8.30 pm, all good sleepers, sleeping through until 7 am. If they are such an issue why did he bother dating someone with children? Why can't he come down here once in a while once they are asleep? Or even when they aren't here, why do I always have to be the one that goes to his? He fobs me off with that this is only temporary and I need to be patient. Nothing has changed in 2 years! He says I should be grateful that his family like me and accepted me into the family so well, anyone else would love to spend time with a close-knit family. He understands that I'm not used to it as I left home so young but in other culters, his set up is considered normal and he considers himself lucky. He thought I liked that he was close to his family - Yes I do, but not so close that we have no breathing space. He claims if he came down during the week I would end up never going to his house and not seeing his family anymore and that would hurt them, and he can't ignore them or just not spend any time with them. I'm not asking that.

When I say his brother is too much, that I'm starting to resent him as he is always there and I want some time with my boyfriend to myself. He says as I mentioned above, makes me feel so guilty say his brother likes me and sees me as a good friend. I should be lucky to have a good friend he can completely vouch for.

When we are in his room, or downstairs with his brother, I can't quietly show my boyfriend something on my phone or talk to him quietly, his brother asks to see what we are looking at and what we are talking about every time. He will continue to ask until we answer him or tell him its private. Privacy isn't something he has much concept off as he doesn't have a FB so he always longs on to my boyfriend's computer and on to his FB so sometimes I don't know who I'm messaging. He takes my boyfriends car without asking most nights we are together so if I do manage to talk my boyfriend into being the one who drives. We can't as he has no car.

Every time I mention how much his brother is becoming an issue. He gets quite upset and says he can't go through this again. It turns out all his other relationships have ended just around the 2-year mark because of his brother. When I ask why he hasn't learnt from this, he says that it's his brother. He's lucky to have a brother like him.

I tell him I worry about a future with him, I would love to get married again but don't see how that is possible when he is that close to his brother and not willing to spend any time at mine or extra time with me. He says it will get better and I need to be patient. To prove how committed he is to me and our future we have recently bought a pet together, only the animal is at my house and he's only seen him once on the day we bought him.

I honestly thought a man who does live at home would jump at the chance to spend some alone time in an empty house each week. But now I'm just questioning what the hell is wrong with me.

Does anyone have any advice? I just don't know how much longer I can be a part-time girlfriend and he doesn't see that there's a problem. If not I'm just grateful for the opportunity to rant.

OP posts:
AfterSchoolWorry · 07/02/2020 00:53

You're flogging a dead horse there OP.

DarkRose · 07/02/2020 01:45

I don't need my mums help to dump him. That's almost comical after everything I've written about with my BF and his attachment to his family. Me and my mum are close, talking to her about how unhappy I am, telling her that I plan on splitting with him and maybe having a little bit of moral support from her, like I would a girlfriend or sister, isn't unusual.

There is a lot of replies to this post which is fantastic as I came to you for advice, every single one of you have made valid points and confirmed my fears. Some of you pointed out things that didn't even cross my mind as in I'm just a replacement for his mum and only going up there for sex etc. My previous reply maybe been a posted a little too soon, but I had a lot to take it. My mind was else where. By saying I would ask my mum for help, I wasn't implying she sojld be holding my had as I did it, or hell doing it for me. Just a little moral support and probably have her drum the facts you have all shared in to my head too.
That was all I meant.

OP posts:
Ilady · 07/02/2020 02:42

No this situation is not working for you in so many ways. Your involved with a 44 year old man child who's is unwilling to grow up. He is still living at home when he supposed to have a successful business. He is building up his bank account. What good is a load of money in the bank when he not moving on with his life. His mother in her 70's who still minding them like they were kids doing all their washing and cooking. He not looking for a girlfriend but a replacement for mammy or someone to make him appear as normal individual.

As for his brother always been their that's just plain odd. Having to ask him for a night alone on your birthday and then his brother turning up. Does his brother know that when you have a girlfriend that you need alone time?
Why are you always the one driving to him?
Why is he telling you to be patient about things? You have been patient about him making no effort on his part to move things along between you after 2 years.
It time to sit him down and tell him that it is over between you as he is unwilling or unable to make any effort in moving things along between you. I would also tell him that it is time he left home, learnt to cook and start to live like another adult man of his age.
Your just wasting your time with him when you could be meeting a proper man and not like the man child you currently have.

FraglesRock · 07/02/2020 02:55

Can you imagine his and his dB life after their mum dies. They're so enmeshed, there's no room for you. I'd just send him a text and be done.
Dp, I'm sorry to text but our relationship has begun to upset me. I can't cope with the lack of time given to us so I think it's time we called it a day. You are a lovely person but that's not enough. Best wishes.

squaky · 07/02/2020 04:45

Why not just call him up now and end it? Seems odd to be so attached to someone who is as big a loser as this guy.

Casino218 · 07/02/2020 04:53

What an odd set up? That's not someone I would be attracted to and it wouldn't matter how nice or kind he was. You need to explore in yourself why you have been willing to put up with that for so long.

KatherineJaneway · 07/02/2020 05:00

Does anyone have any advice?
Yes, end the relationship. This relationship isn't a real relationship, he won't even travel to you and his brother will be the third person in your relationship for the rest of time.

our evening was going brilliant until his brother appeared by our table at about 10.30pm. My BF was as surprised to see him as I was.

But how did you bf act? Did he tell his brother to get lost and tell him how inappropriate it was for him to be there?

TreatMyself · 07/02/2020 07:25

I wouldn’t wait to meet your mum. What advice do you need to leave him? Just text or call?

Have you arranged to see him this weekend?

NameChangeNugget · 07/02/2020 07:25

I’d end it. I can’t see what either of you are getting from this

Bufferingkisses · 07/02/2020 07:39

OP, take your time, take advice, get your head straight. You don't have to do things according to the timeline of internet respondents who would quite like to see your relationship through to its conclusion.

In all honesty I think you will have to just sit him down and say "it's too much, I have spoken to you countless times and nothing has changed. I want a relationship with someone who has boundaries, self possession and adult relationships. That's not you". He will tell you to be patient again, you tell him you were, times up.

Ending relationships is hard, particularly where you are not unhappy with the person but with other things in their life. Good luck Flowers

wowfudge · 07/02/2020 07:40

Someone else said this, but it sounds as though you are 15 year olds dating! I'm amazed you've put up with this for so long. What's this successful business he runs that he can be away so frequently to go shopping or drinking, or whatever it is he's doing? The fact that everything is so regimented and unspontaneous would be the death knell for me, never mind the weird family relationships.

You are absolutely right to end it and move on.

SandyY2K · 07/02/2020 07:56

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Roussette · 07/02/2020 08:05

My worry is... I think by the last paragrah of your post, and you talking to your mum about it all, I think you are going to give him another chance. There is no easy way to finish a relationship but if you are wavering like this, he will talk you round by saying 'give me another chance, be patient, I can't move out just like that, but I will make moves to do so in the Spring blah blah'
He won't.
He knows you're unhappy with it like this and he doesn't care. Because if he did, he would have made moves to make it better for you.

How can you like the brother. I would resent him so much, I wouldn't even be able to look at him. And I would be rude to him, I wouldn't be able to help it. What did you say when he turned up for your birthday meal? What did your boyfriend say?
I would have got up and walked out.

Yeahwhatevs · 07/02/2020 08:07

I think it's a reasonable question to ask why you were attracted to this man and agreed to this relationship in the first place. A number of people have mentioned this and you've kind of brushed over it. For most people it would be a red flag that someone his age is still living with their parent. There may be legitimate reasons: like someone has just divorced, is starting a new business and needs to save up money temporarily, has moved back home to look after a frail parent. None of these apply here, she looks after them!

Also, why have you agreed to put up with the set up of you always going to him. It seems very passive to allow such a relationship to develop. As others have mentioned, it's really icky to have that 'sex' window every week when his mother and brother go out. Why has it been so easy for him to guilt you into putting up with it? And where is your anger? I'd be furious if someone turned up uninvited on my birthday meal. You seem upset but not angry at all.

How can you ensure going forward that you have healthier relationships? It really isn't normal to have such unbalanced set ups.

ravenmum · 07/02/2020 08:11

You don't have to justify why you want to talk to your mum, and fair enough if you are planning to end it nicely rather than just dropping him a text. I don't think there is any totally pain-free method personally and would go for the "ripping off the plaster" route, i.e. fast and total.
Get ready for a spiel about how women are all the same. (They really are all the same with him, as he is always the same with them...) And don't feel like you have to leave him with any tips about how to do better in future. He loves being Peter Pan, why spoil it for him?

ravenmum · 07/02/2020 08:14

Yes, as @Yeahwhatevs and others have said, you really need to wonder why you got into this. Was it just a blip after the end of the LTR or do you really not see yourself as the very impressive woman that you clearly are?

inmyshedsmoking2000 · 07/02/2020 08:15

You knew him for 3 years before your relationship and had no inkling this is what he was like?
You've put up with this for 2 years.
Who dates a man who lives with his 70 year old mother and uses her as a maid along with his brother.

Get rid...

Berthatydfil · 07/02/2020 08:26

Ok so you message him today.

Can’t come over tomorrow evening because... reason (eg I don’t really want to/want to change our usual routine/ I’m not feeling up to it/fancy something different/car issue ) let me know if you want to come over instead ?

Assuming then he declines
You then message

I’ve been thinking over our relationship and I really need something more from a 2 relationship at our ages /stages in life. It feels just like we are teenagers and it’s just not going anywhere. I have feelings for you but can’t spend the next few years in the routine we seem to have fallen into, so I think it’s for the best we part now as friends. Love x

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TreatMyself · 07/02/2020 08:40

Did he ever move out from home at all?

Roussette · 07/02/2020 08:43

You see... the thing is... when I knew that someone of this age lived with their mother and brother, it wouldn't matter how nice they were, how good looking they were, I would find them unattractive in my eyes. I would want someone who has lived a bit.

Has he ever lived in a house without his mother?

Roussette · 07/02/2020 08:44

sorry TreatMyself didn't realised you had just asked that!

PersephoneandHades · 07/02/2020 08:47

Well done for making a tough decision, OP. It's clear that you care about him so it must be hard thinking about how to end it, but I'm so glad that you see that you are not being treated well and that the relationship has well and truly run it's course. You deserve better and have put up with a lot more than most would, so don't feel guilty!

And of course it's acceptable/normal to get moral support from your ma! I would want friends/family to help me too in this situation so ignore the snarky messages, I think sometimes on MN people take their frustrations out on posters unconsciously, but no harm is meant.

Best of luck :)

CheddarGorgeous · 07/02/2020 08:57

Mumsnet is a very supportive place but there are some posters who always push for immediate and decisive action when IRL it takes time to process and carry through decisions.

OP is not in any physical danger. Her relationship is merely unsatisfactory. It's her choice if/when to end it, how and who to talk it through with.

It's unkind and unwarranted to start sniping at and insulting a woman who sounds like she very much has her act together (single parent, own home, successful business) just because she won't immediately deliver the next instalment of the soap opera some posters are treating her life as.

AvocadoAdvocate · 07/02/2020 09:03

I'm sorry OP but this set-up sounds seriously dysfunctional, like a Harold Pinter play, and I don't just mean on his side of the equation. Your own family dynamics raise a few concerns. You say your children are young, are all in bed by 8.30pm and sleep through? One of them is at least 15 years old!! Your conclusion to your issue with your boyfriend is that you need your mum's advice on how to finish with him?

Neither of you sound emotionally mature and it appears you are repeating history with your own children if it's seen as normal for a 15 year old to be in bed by 8.30pm.

The dynamic with this man will never change, you know that. Save your breath to cool your porridge and detach from him and his strange family. By the way, I would also be checking for hidden cameras in his bedroom if I were you.