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is this a big red flag? Or am I a big red flag?

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aquickfiresidechat · 25/01/2020 23:19

I've been dating someone for a year. He works in the Geneva office of my company and he travels to London, and I to Geneva, once every other week, so it works out that we have seen each other for a period of days (2 or 3) each week staying at each other's flats/or hotels.

In the company we have a bulletin that goes round daily saying who is in which office within Europe. New man and I also have access to each other's calendars so some days I like to see what he is up to and imagine him going about his day and I always imagined he liked this too.

Anyway, we both went away separately for Christmas and came back early January. We were talking and chatting regularly on the phone like we always do about when we could next see each other. He then went on a business trip and was busy with meetings and time difference, so we did not get a chance to speak much.

Two weeks ago, I noticed on the company bulletin that he was due to be in London the next day. I assumed he had just forgotten to mention it being so busy and that he would make arrangements with me shortly. The next day came and he was not in the office. I double clicked on his diary and saw that he was in meetings in London but not coming into the office.

I sent him a message and said "why didn't you tell me you are in London? Can we see each other tonight?" He texted back a bit short and told me to meet him for a drink after work.

I arrived and asked him how he was. He said, "shocked." I said "why shocked?" he said "because you have been going through my diary and checking up on me." I said "but we have access to each other's diaries, I saw you were in London, and I assumed we'd see each other?" He sat there open mouthed for about 10 mins while I tried to justify why I had looked at his diary and questioned him.

When I got upset he became softer and said he wanted to make me happy and he was sorry for not telling me, but he had terrible jetlag, was completely underwater with work and not yet recovered from Christmas and just felt he needed a night to sleep. He cancelled his client dinner and we spent most of the evening talking about it. I was actually crying because I was so shocked at the sudden attitude change. He asked me to stay the night and I was still quite upset and said no, and we went our separate ways and he flew back to Geneva the next day. We agreed that we would communicate openly about when he is in London going forward.

The next morning he rang me before his flight, quite agitated and said that he had not slept a wink because he felt quite angry that I would demand he see me every time he is in London. He said it had nothing to do with seeing anyone else or not wanting the relationship, but he would be travelling to the UK more frequently and just the thought that, that would be my expectation every single time he was here felt very demanding. His justification for this was that he was most often knackered and would have evening meetings with clients or customers and therefore would not want to trek over to my flat at 11pm or midnight and then fly back to Geneva the next day. He said "you are my priority, but you cannot be my priority all the time." While I wasn't really happy with this, we agreed that he would tell me when he was in London even if he was not going to see me.

I found this new arrangement quite difficult to understand, as this was obviously not our previous pattern, so I didn't feel I was delusional or imagining the relationship was more than it was, for expecting the previous pattern to continue, even though at the time he was telling me this I was apologising rather than justifying my thought process. I felt that he reset the relationship and bamboozled me into thinking that questioning him or his behaviour was stalker-esque or obsessive.

We carried on speaking on the phone every day and texting a lot (it's always him initiating contact. He calls me about five times a day just to chat,) Three days later the company bulletin came again saying that he was in London. He had not told me this.

I double clicked on his diary only to see that he had codified it. Ie, replaced information with a letter and a number. All bookings and reservations that he usually made and I could previously see were now password protected and then diary entries had been made private. Seeing this made me feel like a stalker and made me think that he thought I was a stalker.

He carried on throughout the day communicating with me as normal. I did not ask him where he was. At around 7pm he said he was off to a client dinner and that he would sign off the the night as it would be late. I assume he thought I thought he was in Geneva.

I don't know what got into me but I felt I wanted to know for sure, so at midnight I went to the hotel he normally stays at while here, and I waited in a bar over the road where I could see the door. Lo and behold, I saw him returning to the hotel and going in late. Alone.

I texted him. "Hey can we talk?" He replied immediately. "Sorry, no. Off to bed."

I felt humiliated and embarrassed of myself and like a true stalker. The next morning I decided it was over. I felt that if I told him the reasons why (I was upset he had coded his diary and I had spied on him outside his hotel) it would give me more reasons to feel embarrassed. So I just stopped communicating with him entirely.

Two weeks went by and I ignored all calls and messages and took a week off work to go away and switched my phone off. When I came back to work, I found him in my office, beside himself. Why had I done this to him? What was my problem? Why had I not replied to him? What did I think I was doing? He had been in London looking for me etc.

I've agreed to chat to him about it all on Wednesday when I am next in Geneva. I don't trust him. I cant tell him why.

I don't know anymore whether his behaviour is the red flag or whether mine is.

What do you think??

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GilbertMarkham · 26/01/2020 14:08

Sorry bold fail - I wasn't quoting - I was saying he changed their previous norm - he'd been happy enough to tell her when he was in London and meet up, as well as seeing her when she's in Geneva, for a year previously. Anyone would be unsettled

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Sparkle567 · 26/01/2020 14:15

@Fartnite*

It’s funny you’re calling posters thick but clearly can’t read a thread yourself.

SHE BROKE UP WITH HIM ONCE SHE HAD THE INFORMATION!

So I just stopped communicating with him entirely.
Two weeks went by and I ignored all calls and messages and took a week off work to go away and switched my phone off*

She didn’t break up with him. She just ghosted him. That’s not the same.

OP - checking his calendar constantly and then asking why he’s not seeing you Even though he told you he was tired when he did meet you and then checking it again, following him, ghosting him.

Your behaviour is batshit and I would of coded my calendar too.

HannaYeah · 26/01/2020 14:17

@RandomMess

I totally agree. I think the last year he wanted that level of intimacy. Seeing each other every trip, talking constantly.

Something has changed and he wants space but is not mature enough to have recognized that and explained it to OP.

And I believe he shared his calendar with her during that time, then forgot.
Company calendars are not open by default in any place I’ve ever worked. With Outlook you have to fully and intentionally allow another person or group to see it. Sharing something then acting like the other person is crazy for looking at it is again just immature.

OP went a little sideways out of confusion of the sudden change. She’s corrected herself now.

bluebella4 · 26/01/2020 14:17

He's not committed.. An probably playing you.

It's him, not you but because he's not being honest you are doing crazy shit just to find the an answer or to catch him.
I think you already know he's not interested anymore.

He's a prick.

RandomMess · 26/01/2020 14:19

Yep I share at different levels my calendar to colleagues.

To share in full and then wish you hadn't with your partner of a year ConfusedHmm

saraclara · 26/01/2020 14:19

The OP has more insight into her behaviour than most posters, to be frank. At least she acknowledges that she might be the red flag.

Bluntness100 · 26/01/2020 14:22

Ok, this is a bit disturbing.

Clearly he feels, rightly or wrongly. That he has to see you every single time he's in London. And clearly sometimes, due to work being busy and late client dinners etc, he'd just rather not as it's too much.This is totally ok. I understand even if he's crazy about you, when snowed with work the expectation he's always going to see you after a long day or whatever can be too much.

To be fair op here, it does seem his assumption was right, you did expect to see him every time. You pretty much even say it in your op, you expected him to continue as before. So he knew you weren't in the head space of knowing he was coming over and accepting not seeing him.

And the fact he thinks you're a stalker, again, it looks like he was right there too, because you did actually stalk him. So he wasn't wrong there either.

Sitting outside his hotel spying on him is really unsettling and fairly desperate behaviour.

Then you've basically just ghosted him.

I think uou need to tell him it's over, apologise for ghosting him, just say you've been busy or some shit, and move on.

Glassmami · 26/01/2020 14:23

Sorry but you are being massively unreasonable! You need to step back and have look in to you why you behaved like that and get help for it before even thinking about being in a relationship! It's not healthy for either of you! No wonder he changed his calendar to be password protected I would to if I thought my parent was checking up on me! If he was doing that to you everyone would tell you to change all your passwords, block all contact and to call the police for stalking!

adaline · 26/01/2020 14:25

FFS, they voluntarily shared their calendars with each other...for the purpose of scheduling time with each other. That's not stalking

She used it against him. He wasn't allowed to visit London for work without telling him and then got pissed off because he wanted to visit London without seeing her. He even cancelled a client meeting in an attempt to placate her but it didn't work.

I would be really unnerved if I got home from work and DH said to me "I've been looking at your diary and you didn't tell me you had a meeting down the road from me today - why didn't you tell me? Why didn't you meet me after/before/instead?"

Sharing a diary for ease of communication isn't the same same as sharing your diary so that your every move can be checked up upon!

When he didn't want to see her every time he came to London and was forced to hide his whereabouts to stop her snooping on his every move, she then went to sit outside his hotel to watch him instead!

How on earth is that considered acceptable?

nowayhose · 26/01/2020 14:26

Sorry but I'm afraid YOU are a definite red flag !

If someone I was seeing used my work diary to check where I was and then gave me grief for simply wanting to have a night to myself, I'd be running for the hills !

And as for stalking him outside the hotel he usually stays at ?? WTAF??

All the people on here who are saying HIS behaviour is suspect need to think what they'd be saying if you swapped round, i.e OP was the one who had someone search through her work diary, give her grief about not admitting she was in the country and then waited outside HER usual hotel to catch her out...............I'm sure they'd all be screaming RED FLAG ! LTB !

Bluntness100 · 26/01/2020 14:32

How on earth is that considered acceptable

Agree, I'm surprised anyone is trying to say it's all good. The diary sharing was not so she could track his movements, which is exactly what she was using it for and he knew it.

She then didn't take it well at all when he tried to explain to her he couldn't see her every time, crying, he had to cancel his meeting etc to try to deal with her. He obviously knew she was stalking his movements.

Then going and sitting outside the hotel waiting to see if he was alone, and texting him to talk at midnight, As soon as he got back must have been worrying, you'd be thinking is that lucky timing or is she sitting outside watching me.

Then she friggen ghosted him.

OldEvilOwl · 26/01/2020 14:36

He phones you 5 times a day but your not allowed to ask where he is? That's weird AF. Also anyone ringing me 5 times a day would piss me off

CallItLoneliness · 26/01/2020 14:36

I'm sort of curious what everyone who is saying looking at his calendar was wrong would have done in OP's circumstances. She got the public company bulletin that said he was going to be in London. Every other time he has been in London, he has tried to meet up. This time not only has he not tried to meet up, he hasn't even said he will be in London. So, you have all this and a shared calendar. You

a) Are completely unconcerned that a pattern has changed, and do nothing
b) Are concerned but say nothing because it might upset him
c) Ask him if he is going to be in London, because you saw it on the company bulletin (what do you do if he says no?)
d) Assume it is a mistake, and do nothing
e) Assume it is a mistake but check his calendar to make sure without bothering him with it, because this has been your normal pattern and you know you might need to rearrange your week, as this has been your normal pattern (this is what I think OP did)
f) Assume he is a lying fucker and check his calendar to catch him out
g) something else (please explain)?

Like, genuinely setting aside anything else that happened, to me OP's behaviour at this point looks well within the range of completely normal to me. So many of you don't feel this way--I am really curious as to what those of you who it looks creepy to would have done.

P999 · 26/01/2020 14:37

Flippin heck. Whats with all the hysterical screeching posters accusing her of stalking (utter bollocks)? Get a grip you lot. She's way more measured and rational than you lot

BumbleBeee69 · 26/01/2020 14:38

So many of you don't feel this way--I am really curious as to what those of you who it looks creepy to would have done.

She could have ASKED him...

HannaYeah · 26/01/2020 14:46

@adaline

I wonder about this though.

When I was a child I had elderly neighbors and started visiting them. My mom told me that if I went there all the time they would expect me there and come to rely upon me. So not to do this constantly unless I intended to maintain that level of interaction.

He pulled OP pretty close for a year then started pushing her away with no indication of the reason. He has a right to do that but he could have handled it without hurting her by communicating.

And to anyone suggesting he couldn’t communicate out of fear of her reaction; I don’t think that excuses is from behaving with honor and treating others, especially lovers with dignity and respect.

BumbleBeee69 · 26/01/2020 14:47

Flippin heck. Whats with all the hysterical screeching posters accusing her of stalking (utter bollocks)? Get a grip you lot. She's way more measured and rational than you lot

OP's own words.....

I don't know what got into me but I felt I wanted to know for sure, so at midnight I went to the hotel he normally stays at while here, and I waited in a bar over the road where I could see the door. Lo and behold, I saw him returning to the hotel and going in late. Alone.

Hmm
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LovePoppy · 26/01/2020 14:48

She's way more measured and rational than you lot

Yes, because every measured and rational person I know sits outside of a hotel waiting for their boyfriend to show up and then ghosts him for three weeks.

BumbleBeee69 · 26/01/2020 14:49

Or to see where he was so she could call the right office?

or maybe call his Mobile Hmm

nowayhose · 26/01/2020 14:50

She could simply have asked him in person when she next saw him (without the tears and emotional tension which made him have to cancel a work meeting last time !), you know, like an actual grown up ?

It doesn't matter WHO is doing the 'checking up' or the 'waiting outside' to check if he was there and if he was alone, it's NOT normal behaviour guys !

OP is acting like a stalker cos she IS stalking him !

@ P999 - You don't seem to understand exactly what stalking is do you ? Here is the definition...

Whilst there is no strict legal definition of 'stalking', section 2A (3) of the PHA 1997 sets out examples of acts or omissions which, in particular circumstances, are ones associated with stalking. For example, following a person, watching or spying on them or forcing contact with the victim through any means, including social media.

''following, watching or spying on a person'' is exactly what the OP did!!

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StreetwiseHercules · 26/01/2020 14:53

“ He phones you 5 times a day but your not allowed to ask where he is? That's weird AF. Also anyone ringing me 5 times a day would piss me off”

No....

She said they speak 5 times per day. Not that he phones her 5 times.