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is this a big red flag? Or am I a big red flag?

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aquickfiresidechat · 25/01/2020 23:19

I've been dating someone for a year. He works in the Geneva office of my company and he travels to London, and I to Geneva, once every other week, so it works out that we have seen each other for a period of days (2 or 3) each week staying at each other's flats/or hotels.

In the company we have a bulletin that goes round daily saying who is in which office within Europe. New man and I also have access to each other's calendars so some days I like to see what he is up to and imagine him going about his day and I always imagined he liked this too.

Anyway, we both went away separately for Christmas and came back early January. We were talking and chatting regularly on the phone like we always do about when we could next see each other. He then went on a business trip and was busy with meetings and time difference, so we did not get a chance to speak much.

Two weeks ago, I noticed on the company bulletin that he was due to be in London the next day. I assumed he had just forgotten to mention it being so busy and that he would make arrangements with me shortly. The next day came and he was not in the office. I double clicked on his diary and saw that he was in meetings in London but not coming into the office.

I sent him a message and said "why didn't you tell me you are in London? Can we see each other tonight?" He texted back a bit short and told me to meet him for a drink after work.

I arrived and asked him how he was. He said, "shocked." I said "why shocked?" he said "because you have been going through my diary and checking up on me." I said "but we have access to each other's diaries, I saw you were in London, and I assumed we'd see each other?" He sat there open mouthed for about 10 mins while I tried to justify why I had looked at his diary and questioned him.

When I got upset he became softer and said he wanted to make me happy and he was sorry for not telling me, but he had terrible jetlag, was completely underwater with work and not yet recovered from Christmas and just felt he needed a night to sleep. He cancelled his client dinner and we spent most of the evening talking about it. I was actually crying because I was so shocked at the sudden attitude change. He asked me to stay the night and I was still quite upset and said no, and we went our separate ways and he flew back to Geneva the next day. We agreed that we would communicate openly about when he is in London going forward.

The next morning he rang me before his flight, quite agitated and said that he had not slept a wink because he felt quite angry that I would demand he see me every time he is in London. He said it had nothing to do with seeing anyone else or not wanting the relationship, but he would be travelling to the UK more frequently and just the thought that, that would be my expectation every single time he was here felt very demanding. His justification for this was that he was most often knackered and would have evening meetings with clients or customers and therefore would not want to trek over to my flat at 11pm or midnight and then fly back to Geneva the next day. He said "you are my priority, but you cannot be my priority all the time." While I wasn't really happy with this, we agreed that he would tell me when he was in London even if he was not going to see me.

I found this new arrangement quite difficult to understand, as this was obviously not our previous pattern, so I didn't feel I was delusional or imagining the relationship was more than it was, for expecting the previous pattern to continue, even though at the time he was telling me this I was apologising rather than justifying my thought process. I felt that he reset the relationship and bamboozled me into thinking that questioning him or his behaviour was stalker-esque or obsessive.

We carried on speaking on the phone every day and texting a lot (it's always him initiating contact. He calls me about five times a day just to chat,) Three days later the company bulletin came again saying that he was in London. He had not told me this.

I double clicked on his diary only to see that he had codified it. Ie, replaced information with a letter and a number. All bookings and reservations that he usually made and I could previously see were now password protected and then diary entries had been made private. Seeing this made me feel like a stalker and made me think that he thought I was a stalker.

He carried on throughout the day communicating with me as normal. I did not ask him where he was. At around 7pm he said he was off to a client dinner and that he would sign off the the night as it would be late. I assume he thought I thought he was in Geneva.

I don't know what got into me but I felt I wanted to know for sure, so at midnight I went to the hotel he normally stays at while here, and I waited in a bar over the road where I could see the door. Lo and behold, I saw him returning to the hotel and going in late. Alone.

I texted him. "Hey can we talk?" He replied immediately. "Sorry, no. Off to bed."

I felt humiliated and embarrassed of myself and like a true stalker. The next morning I decided it was over. I felt that if I told him the reasons why (I was upset he had coded his diary and I had spied on him outside his hotel) it would give me more reasons to feel embarrassed. So I just stopped communicating with him entirely.

Two weeks went by and I ignored all calls and messages and took a week off work to go away and switched my phone off. When I came back to work, I found him in my office, beside himself. Why had I done this to him? What was my problem? Why had I not replied to him? What did I think I was doing? He had been in London looking for me etc.

I've agreed to chat to him about it all on Wednesday when I am next in Geneva. I don't trust him. I cant tell him why.

I don't know anymore whether his behaviour is the red flag or whether mine is.

What do you think??

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GilbertMarkham · 26/01/2020 12:34

Btw if he's Swiss I wouldn't actually see him as as uncommitted/ambivalent as if he's another nationality - they're notoriously Vulcan like.

StreetwiseHercules · 26/01/2020 12:35

“ She did don't demand that he see her every time, just that he leather know if he was in town. ”

To what end? Why should he? Why is he accountable to her for his time and location when they are not due to meet and it isn’t relevant?

He probably felt pressured into agreeing to that and then, legitimately, decided not to go along with it.

jewel1968 · 26/01/2020 12:35

It's the deliberate secrecy that is a problem or indicative of a problem. It suggests that he felt OP would put pressure on him to meet up even though he was tired. What made him think that? Was that an unfair assumption?

A relationship with good communication would have resulted in him telling OP he was in London but too tired or busy to meet. By assuming the worst of OP he damaged trust and sent OP down a spiral of doubt which led her to behave in a way she recognised is not good.

For your sanity move on and don't beat yourself up for your behaviour. But to be fair tell him what you are feeling - be honest. You don't have to go into all the details but be sure he knows you felt his lack of trust damaged the relationship.

StreetwiseHercules · 26/01/2020 12:37

“ By assuming the worst of OP he damaged trust ”

HE damaged trust? She was stalking his work diary and then challenged him about his whereasbout?

letmebefrank · 26/01/2020 12:54

It sounds like you've been downgraded to a friends-with-benefits kind of status, ie, booty call when he's not too tired or busy, but didn't bother to tell you. Hence his upset when you checked his schedule to confirm whether or not the office memo was right about his being in London when he hadn't told you. And then he did it again.

And that's where you behaved like a stalker. The first check I get; you had agreed to share work calendars, and you were just confirming what you had seen elsewhere to see if a mistake had been made somewhere. And he didn't like that because you had caught him out essentially. But when you sat outside his hotel and then called him after midnight asking to talk ... and got upset when he didn't want to talk after midnight ... sketchy.

I wouldn't take a phone call after midnight either unless it was an emergency.

I'm glad you then took a step back and cut off contact to find yourself. You don't want to be that person. And he has pushed you in that direction with his behaviour, ie, he's downgraded the relationship with you but hasn't bothered to tell you that. But he's now panicking because 'you' have now made the downgrade decision ... to end the entire relationship. And he didn't like that ... still wanted booty calls by the sounds of it on his terms.

Ouchaheadinmybehind · 26/01/2020 12:54

bamboozled me into thinking that questioning him or his behaviour was stalker-esque or obsessive

Kind of is though, especially when you then wait across from his hotel!

He doesn't have to tell you his whereabouts all the time - he clearly does a lot of travel and was obviously tired and wanted a night off. I imagine if he told you that, you wouldn't have been happy, so he decided to not tell you anything

^totally.

Lifeisabeach09 · 26/01/2020 12:54

Cyber stalking, actual stalking and abusive ghosting = you go girl!

So glad you agree. Grin

letmebefrank · 26/01/2020 12:57

Oh, and if you do see him in Geneva, I would keep it simple. He's made it clear through his actions his too busy for a committed relationship at the moment, and you get that, but you don't like who 'you' are when a step back has clearly been taking, so you felt it was best just to end the whole thing.

adaline · 26/01/2020 13:08

She did don't demand that he see her every time, just that he leather know if he was in town.

But what difference does it make if he's not going to see her? Does it really matter that he's staying in a hotel in London rather than one in Geneva or Paris?

He clearly has quite a full-on job and wanted some time out. If a lady came on here and said the same and that her boyfriend had kicked off about it, stalked her diary and then followed her to her hotel to spy on her, people would be suggesting she rang the police!

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Lillygolightly · 26/01/2020 13:10

@aquickfiresidechat

Firstly I don’t think you’ve done much wrong here.

You found out he was in London and asked if you were seeing each other. He for some reason took issue with this despite being open and having shared calendars for a whole year previously. Quiet understandably this gave you the feeling that things had changed but you weren’t sure what. All you knew was that he had acted differently and was suddenly being cagey about his calendar, going so far as to code it. What were you supposed to think, whatever game he was playing it’s backfired massively on him. I applaud you for not hanging around and tying yourself up in knots and instead quietly waited by the hotel to see for yourself. As you saw he went in alone and over message said he didn’t want to speak and was off to bed. I applaud you again for not putting up with the shit and putting yourself first by going away to give yourself some head space. Now at this point it might have been ideal to mention that to him, but it is in fact no different to what he was doing to you the only difference being that you did it for a whole week and not just a day. However it’s funny that he didn’t enjoy the taste of his own medicine.

It may be the he just wanted space or that he wanted to cool or slow down your relationship a bit. Maybe he thought that the increased work trips to London might be misconstrued by you as the relationship becoming more serious. Whatever his reasons he could have had the decency to sit down and discuss it with you like adults, instead of blowing hot and cold and causing you insecurity and doubt.

He has been a bit of a twat by all accounts. There is no need to tell him you watched his calendar or that you watched for him at the hotel. You simply say that you feel things have changed, and that you’ve taken space to think about things. What you do from there is up to you OP, but I’m not so sure I’d want to be hanging on to this one.

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StreetwiseHercules · 26/01/2020 13:14

“ It sounds like you've been downgraded to a friends-with-benefits kind of status, ie, booty call when he's not too tired or busy, but didn't bother to tell you. ”

This is probably the kind of emotional blackmail he was seeking to avoid when he didn’t say he was in London and wanted a night on his own.

He probably knew he there would be a grump of he would be guilted into going along with whatever she wanted when he just wanted some time to himself. I think it’s perfectly ok to lie in order to protect one’s space and boundaries.

Some people don’t seem to realise that not everything going through another person’s head is about them.

BumbleBeee69 · 26/01/2020 13:14

Checking the company diary is not the issue...

Standing outside a Hotel at midnight to catch him out ... is definitely a fucking ISSUE?!

P999 · 26/01/2020 13:15

What does 'Vulcan' like mean?

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adaline · 26/01/2020 13:17

You can't 'stalk' a diary! It's called 'checking a calendar'!

But it's not normal behaviour to check someone's diary everyday for no reason, especially not someone you're only dating.

Checking his diary because she wants to ring him and wants to make sure she dials the right number? Fine. Checking his diary on a regular basis and then getting in a strop with him because he's in X place and hasn't told her about it is ridiculous behaviour.

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AllHeart1 · 26/01/2020 13:22

I can’t believe the number of people who are justifying the OP’s behaviour here.

The work diary is a red herring. Fact is she logged on to his callendar and then questioned why he hadn’t told her where he was. She then went and sat outside his hotel to catch him out. And then, when he challenged her she ghosted him.

The OP sounds unhinged. I’d password protect my diary as wel if my psycho bf started challenging me as to where I was and why I wasn’t keeping in touch at all times.

Bear in mind here that they are only in a relationship. They’re not married, they see each other a couple of times a week but they’re long distance. He doesn’t owe the OP an explanation as to where he is and when. And he’s entitled to be in the same city as the OP without feeling obligated to A, communicate with her or B, want to see her.

Do none of you ever fancy a night just to yourselves or to do something with someone else?

20CMB20 · 26/01/2020 13:23

I have RTFT, and @TatianaLarina has nailed this.

adaline · 26/01/2020 13:23

She wasn't standing outside his hotel. She watched from afar. It would have been creepy if she confronted him, but she didn't.

It's still creepy.

Would you think it acceptable for a man to stand outside a lone woman's hotel at midnight and watch her like that?

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CatsGoPurrrr · 26/01/2020 13:26

Constantly checking his work calendar for personal reasons: creepy

Asking him to tell him when he was in town: why? Why if you check the calendar do you need him to verbalise this? I agree with a PP. if someone asked me to do this, I’d baulk. It is controlling and irrelevant if we have no plans to meet up.

Watching his hotel: bat shit crazy.

Ghosting him: more abuse

He’s dodged a bullet with you.

rottiemum88 · 26/01/2020 13:27

I think your behaviour was more than a bit stalkerish/creepy.

He gave an adequate explanation for not seeing you every time he's in London. Nothing suspicious really in my view. As a PP mentioned, he obviously just compartmentalises his life, which isn't for everyone but works for him.

I think the way you cut him off was unfair and he was evidently baffled as to what he'd done to cause it. Couldn't you have just spoken to him and explained you don't see a future? That said, calling 5 times a day is also weird and suggests neither of you are getting much work done.

Chalk it up to experience and move on

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