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is this a big red flag? Or am I a big red flag?

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aquickfiresidechat · 25/01/2020 23:19

I've been dating someone for a year. He works in the Geneva office of my company and he travels to London, and I to Geneva, once every other week, so it works out that we have seen each other for a period of days (2 or 3) each week staying at each other's flats/or hotels.

In the company we have a bulletin that goes round daily saying who is in which office within Europe. New man and I also have access to each other's calendars so some days I like to see what he is up to and imagine him going about his day and I always imagined he liked this too.

Anyway, we both went away separately for Christmas and came back early January. We were talking and chatting regularly on the phone like we always do about when we could next see each other. He then went on a business trip and was busy with meetings and time difference, so we did not get a chance to speak much.

Two weeks ago, I noticed on the company bulletin that he was due to be in London the next day. I assumed he had just forgotten to mention it being so busy and that he would make arrangements with me shortly. The next day came and he was not in the office. I double clicked on his diary and saw that he was in meetings in London but not coming into the office.

I sent him a message and said "why didn't you tell me you are in London? Can we see each other tonight?" He texted back a bit short and told me to meet him for a drink after work.

I arrived and asked him how he was. He said, "shocked." I said "why shocked?" he said "because you have been going through my diary and checking up on me." I said "but we have access to each other's diaries, I saw you were in London, and I assumed we'd see each other?" He sat there open mouthed for about 10 mins while I tried to justify why I had looked at his diary and questioned him.

When I got upset he became softer and said he wanted to make me happy and he was sorry for not telling me, but he had terrible jetlag, was completely underwater with work and not yet recovered from Christmas and just felt he needed a night to sleep. He cancelled his client dinner and we spent most of the evening talking about it. I was actually crying because I was so shocked at the sudden attitude change. He asked me to stay the night and I was still quite upset and said no, and we went our separate ways and he flew back to Geneva the next day. We agreed that we would communicate openly about when he is in London going forward.

The next morning he rang me before his flight, quite agitated and said that he had not slept a wink because he felt quite angry that I would demand he see me every time he is in London. He said it had nothing to do with seeing anyone else or not wanting the relationship, but he would be travelling to the UK more frequently and just the thought that, that would be my expectation every single time he was here felt very demanding. His justification for this was that he was most often knackered and would have evening meetings with clients or customers and therefore would not want to trek over to my flat at 11pm or midnight and then fly back to Geneva the next day. He said "you are my priority, but you cannot be my priority all the time." While I wasn't really happy with this, we agreed that he would tell me when he was in London even if he was not going to see me.

I found this new arrangement quite difficult to understand, as this was obviously not our previous pattern, so I didn't feel I was delusional or imagining the relationship was more than it was, for expecting the previous pattern to continue, even though at the time he was telling me this I was apologising rather than justifying my thought process. I felt that he reset the relationship and bamboozled me into thinking that questioning him or his behaviour was stalker-esque or obsessive.

We carried on speaking on the phone every day and texting a lot (it's always him initiating contact. He calls me about five times a day just to chat,) Three days later the company bulletin came again saying that he was in London. He had not told me this.

I double clicked on his diary only to see that he had codified it. Ie, replaced information with a letter and a number. All bookings and reservations that he usually made and I could previously see were now password protected and then diary entries had been made private. Seeing this made me feel like a stalker and made me think that he thought I was a stalker.

He carried on throughout the day communicating with me as normal. I did not ask him where he was. At around 7pm he said he was off to a client dinner and that he would sign off the the night as it would be late. I assume he thought I thought he was in Geneva.

I don't know what got into me but I felt I wanted to know for sure, so at midnight I went to the hotel he normally stays at while here, and I waited in a bar over the road where I could see the door. Lo and behold, I saw him returning to the hotel and going in late. Alone.

I texted him. "Hey can we talk?" He replied immediately. "Sorry, no. Off to bed."

I felt humiliated and embarrassed of myself and like a true stalker. The next morning I decided it was over. I felt that if I told him the reasons why (I was upset he had coded his diary and I had spied on him outside his hotel) it would give me more reasons to feel embarrassed. So I just stopped communicating with him entirely.

Two weeks went by and I ignored all calls and messages and took a week off work to go away and switched my phone off. When I came back to work, I found him in my office, beside himself. Why had I done this to him? What was my problem? Why had I not replied to him? What did I think I was doing? He had been in London looking for me etc.

I've agreed to chat to him about it all on Wednesday when I am next in Geneva. I don't trust him. I cant tell him why.

I don't know anymore whether his behaviour is the red flag or whether mine is.

What do you think??

OP posts:
hiphiphoorayback · 27/01/2020 09:02

OP you sound really nice. Definitely step back as he has too much control.

Calling you 5 times a day and then worried you know when he is in the country. TBH he sounds awful and if you are a lot younger than him I would get out today.

Bluntness100 · 27/01/2020 09:06

She didn't need to go hide outside his hotel she knew he was in London. He didn't wish to see her. The message was loud and clear. The appropriate way to behave is to reasses if you wish to continue based on what's occurring and take the discussion. "The bulletin said you were in London, you didn't tell me, we agreed you would, why did you not, I don't wish to continue under these boundaries"

Even she says it was a low point. Why people are trying to pretend it's totallynormal behaviour I've no idea. If he'd went and hid outside her hotel, then texted her as soon as she got back after midnight, it would also be unhealthy behaviour.

The bottom line is though, once he started trying to hide from her, it was game over and she should have ended it. As should he. She was not willing to accept his new boundaries and he was not willing to change them and meet her demands. Both behaved badly in this.

PinkMonkeyBird · 27/01/2020 09:08

I agree with PP who says he wants things his way and there's a disparity with him calling you so much in the day, but not wanting you to know when he is in the country. It's all control on his side. And now he's made you feel paranoid and feeling like you do not trust him, so I'd say that's the death knell for this relationship.

LittleDragonGirl · 27/01/2020 09:11

I think many people are missing the point that expectations vary when your in the same city as your OH socially or in work.
Very likely he knew OP could see it on bulletin, was very tired and as such didnt see the need to tell Op as hes there fore work and work has to be prioritised as if he dosent have a job he wouldn't be in london. Also as OP had access to his calendar she would have been able to see he had clients till late and was leaving early, she he likely assumed that she knew the situation and would understand from a professional standpoint.

hellsbellsmelons · 27/01/2020 09:17

Well I'm with OP.
It's odd that he would be in your city and not even tell you.
Especially when he calls you five times a day.
You don't trust him and quite rightly.
You had a massive heart to heart and he said he would tell you when he is in London.
AGAIN, he didn't do that.
He's clearly losing interest.
I wouldn't bother meeting up with him.
He'll try to talk his way out of things.
You've made your decision.
Stick to it.
Tell him this isn't working for you any more and you wish him well but you won't be seeing him again and will yourself, be moving on!
I think you did exactly the right thing in going away.
Giving yourself a bit head space, that you needed, nothing wrong with that.
HE KNOWS what he did was wrong.
HE KNOWS he is being a dick by changing his diary etc...
You don't need to explain anything to him at all.
Time to move on!

PGtipsplease · 27/01/2020 09:28

I don’t think what he did was that bad. But now it’s been taken to another level it’s going to be hard to come back from.

The shared calendar was always going to be a bad thing. My friend and her dh have a tracker on each other phone and it causes arguments all the time.

I often come in from work and want to get straight in bed completely bypass my dh and kids but I can’t because the fuckers live here.

It’s not unreasonable to just want an early night. When op found he was in her area she immediately text and asked to see him which caused drama maybe he didn’t want to go down that road again.

If this was a man checking calendars and waiting outside hotels posters would be acting a bit different.

Maybe he didn’t feel able to tell her he didn’t want company that night? Christ I feel like that most nights!

AnuvvaMuvva · 27/01/2020 09:30

It's been a year. He longer can be arsed to trek over to your place to see you anymore. He's not into it anymore. It's over.

Take his actions as proof of that and ignore what he SAYS as he's shown he's going to string you along from now on.

If he loved you, no amount of travelling would be a chore if you were at the end of the journey.

You had a great year, now it's over. If he wants any more, he can commit to you. Otherwise you are now free to find someone who doesn't resent the chance to be with you.

PGtipsplease · 27/01/2020 09:31

And if he was losing interest why is he in her office upset?

Maybe he was just dealing with something and didn’t want to have to give her his exact location everytime he was in the area

ellenpartridge · 27/01/2020 09:35

Both are unreasonable but I think you are a bit more so OP, sorry. What happened when he turned up in your office?

Aridane · 27/01/2020 09:44

It's been a year. He longer can be arsed to trek over to your place to see you anymore. He's not into it anymore. It's over

Well, he was in the UK on business with aslso an evening client dinner ending late in the evening and a flight the next morning. Which client engagement he had to duck out of because of OP’s histrionic meltdown. Hardly can’t be arsed

He needs to break up with her before this type of behaviour spills out further into the workplace and damages his work and career. Any further histrionics, report to HR / line manager.

Hopefully they’re not in the same team

hiphiphoorayback · 27/01/2020 09:52

He's upset because she didn't behave like his little puppet and probable sex toy.

He is keeping OP on hold but keeping his options open. This relationship is doomed not least because of the distance but also because there has been no talk of how the relationship might progress to a more intimate level after a year.

What relationship stays at this distant level after a year? Not many I'm sure.

MaeveDidIt · 27/01/2020 09:54

And if he was losing interest why is he in her office upset?

It's simple, he doesn't like a taste of his own medicine.

She HAS been relegated to a seondary position by him, but his arrogance can't handle it the other way around.

PGtipsplease · 27/01/2020 10:00

The way some posters are talking about this man it’s like you actually know him. You don’t. It all could be entirely fictional.

MaeveDidIt · 27/01/2020 10:13

It's opinions based on experience, which is the whole point of mumsnet is it not PG?

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 27/01/2020 10:17

@PGtipsplease "I often come in from work and want to get straight in bed completely bypass my dh and kids but I can’t because the fuckers live here."
This is one of the most pleasing things I've read on MN for a while, thank you for the Grin

Scarsthelot · 27/01/2020 10:29

If he loved you, no amount of travelling would be a chore if you were at the end of the journey.

What a pile of bollocks. That's like some cheesy meme or line from a romcom.

It's not real life. He flies in, has meetings, client dinners, bed then flies out early the next morning.

It's not the end of the journey. He is continually moving.

Most people need some downtime on their own. No matter how much they love someone.

TatianaLarina · 27/01/2020 10:30

She didn't need to go hide outside his hotel she knew he was in London. He didn't wish to see her. The message was loud and clear.

That wasn’t the issue, no. She wasn’t 100% sure he was in London, because he had codified his calendar. She thought he was.

After a conversation about open communication, he again hadn’t told her he was in London, (Not “I’ll be in London but I’ll be tired” - just nothing at all), despite conversations during the day. Indeed she had the impression, as per the OP, that he thought she thought he was in Geneva.

It was such a weird thing to do, she wanted to be sure of her hunch, because she needs to know who he is - the character of the man she’s been in a relationship with for a year.

So she went and checked, had her answer, and ended the relationship.

Greenwingmemories · 27/01/2020 10:32

OP you obviously want a different type of relationship to the one this man is offering. Clearly from this thread, some people think it's normal to not say which country you're in to someone you're in a relationship with, even when you have spoken five times that day to the person. Because, you know, you shouldn't have to justify yourself to anyone and it's not cool to have any expectations of someone you're supposed to be in love with. Confused

I couldn't be doing with this secret squirrel stuff tbh. If I'm in a relationship with someone, I just want to know where I stand. If they can't meet up because they're tired, just say so, like an adult. If they dodge difficult conversations because they can't be arsed and so lie by omission, how will they cope when there are serious problems to deal with further down the line.

Personally I prefer openness and honesty. If we've got differing expectations, we should be able to talk them through and either come to a compromise, agree to put with it, or end the relationship ultimately. I think you'd be happier in a more open and honest relationship OP. Your boyfriend, not so much, so if you continued with him, you'll probably always feel a bit insecure because he'll constantly put on edge with his inconsistency. I'd be confused if someone told me he loved me, rang me five times a day and then thought it was normal to withhold which country they were in.

TatianaLarina · 27/01/2020 10:33

@lorettalemon and @MsDogLady - spot on.

You don’t owe him any explanation - ‘it’s not working for me’ suffices.
If you want to give more detail - you can just say the relationship feels like it’s going backwards rather than forwards.

Scarsthelot · 27/01/2020 10:34

She wasn’t 100% sure he was in London, because he had codified his calendar. She thought he was.

She did know. Because the company tells everyone, where everyone else is.

TatianaLarina · 27/01/2020 10:36

@Greenwingmemories - exactly.

I couldn't be doing with this secret squirrel stuff tbh. If I'm in a relationship with someone, I just want to know where I stand. If they can't meet up because they're tired, just say so, like an adult. If they dodge difficult conversations because they can't be arsed and so lie by omission, how will they cope when there are serious problems to deal with further down the line.

Yep.

TatianaLarina · 27/01/2020 10:40

She did know. Because the company tells everyone, where everyone else is.

If you read the OP - from the bulletin it looked like he was in London. But given that he had encrypted his calendar and spoken to several times that day without mentioning it - she couldn’t be 100% sure.

Indeed she says ‘I felt I wanted to know for sure’, which is why she checked out his hotel. And got her answer.

PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 27/01/2020 10:40

it was a one off so I could know the truth and move on. I wasn’t planning on stalking him every time he was in London. It was an a ha moment. Ie wow. You are lying to me. I didn’t think you would do this. I can never see you the same way again

Totally get you OP, makes sense now.

I think you know the relationship is done though and it’s time to process that, recover and move forward with self belief.

Scarsthelot · 27/01/2020 10:44

But given that he had encrypted his calendar and spoken to several times that day without mentioning it - she couldn’t be 100% sure.

But she actually was sure. Because she says that bulletin is for a reason. She knew where he was

Indeed she says ‘I felt I wanted to know for sure’, which is why she checked out his hotel. And got her answer.

Or she could have just asked him. Instead of sitting in a bar from midnight to the early hours, then trying to get him to talk.

Everyone concerned knew he was in london.

He had told her he didnt want to see her everytime. He told her she couldnt be his priority, all the time she wasnt happy with this.

He did communicate what he wanted. she still wasnt happy. Sitting outside someones hotel, even in a bar osnt normal behaviour. Even ops knows that.

TatianaLarina · 27/01/2020 10:48

But she actually was sure. Because she says that bulletin is for a reason. She knew where he was

No she wasn’t, which is why she says she wanted to be sure in the OP.

There could have been a reason why he wasn’t where the calendar said he would be - change of plan, illness, data error etc.

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