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is this a big red flag? Or am I a big red flag?

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aquickfiresidechat · 25/01/2020 23:19

I've been dating someone for a year. He works in the Geneva office of my company and he travels to London, and I to Geneva, once every other week, so it works out that we have seen each other for a period of days (2 or 3) each week staying at each other's flats/or hotels.

In the company we have a bulletin that goes round daily saying who is in which office within Europe. New man and I also have access to each other's calendars so some days I like to see what he is up to and imagine him going about his day and I always imagined he liked this too.

Anyway, we both went away separately for Christmas and came back early January. We were talking and chatting regularly on the phone like we always do about when we could next see each other. He then went on a business trip and was busy with meetings and time difference, so we did not get a chance to speak much.

Two weeks ago, I noticed on the company bulletin that he was due to be in London the next day. I assumed he had just forgotten to mention it being so busy and that he would make arrangements with me shortly. The next day came and he was not in the office. I double clicked on his diary and saw that he was in meetings in London but not coming into the office.

I sent him a message and said "why didn't you tell me you are in London? Can we see each other tonight?" He texted back a bit short and told me to meet him for a drink after work.

I arrived and asked him how he was. He said, "shocked." I said "why shocked?" he said "because you have been going through my diary and checking up on me." I said "but we have access to each other's diaries, I saw you were in London, and I assumed we'd see each other?" He sat there open mouthed for about 10 mins while I tried to justify why I had looked at his diary and questioned him.

When I got upset he became softer and said he wanted to make me happy and he was sorry for not telling me, but he had terrible jetlag, was completely underwater with work and not yet recovered from Christmas and just felt he needed a night to sleep. He cancelled his client dinner and we spent most of the evening talking about it. I was actually crying because I was so shocked at the sudden attitude change. He asked me to stay the night and I was still quite upset and said no, and we went our separate ways and he flew back to Geneva the next day. We agreed that we would communicate openly about when he is in London going forward.

The next morning he rang me before his flight, quite agitated and said that he had not slept a wink because he felt quite angry that I would demand he see me every time he is in London. He said it had nothing to do with seeing anyone else or not wanting the relationship, but he would be travelling to the UK more frequently and just the thought that, that would be my expectation every single time he was here felt very demanding. His justification for this was that he was most often knackered and would have evening meetings with clients or customers and therefore would not want to trek over to my flat at 11pm or midnight and then fly back to Geneva the next day. He said "you are my priority, but you cannot be my priority all the time." While I wasn't really happy with this, we agreed that he would tell me when he was in London even if he was not going to see me.

I found this new arrangement quite difficult to understand, as this was obviously not our previous pattern, so I didn't feel I was delusional or imagining the relationship was more than it was, for expecting the previous pattern to continue, even though at the time he was telling me this I was apologising rather than justifying my thought process. I felt that he reset the relationship and bamboozled me into thinking that questioning him or his behaviour was stalker-esque or obsessive.

We carried on speaking on the phone every day and texting a lot (it's always him initiating contact. He calls me about five times a day just to chat,) Three days later the company bulletin came again saying that he was in London. He had not told me this.

I double clicked on his diary only to see that he had codified it. Ie, replaced information with a letter and a number. All bookings and reservations that he usually made and I could previously see were now password protected and then diary entries had been made private. Seeing this made me feel like a stalker and made me think that he thought I was a stalker.

He carried on throughout the day communicating with me as normal. I did not ask him where he was. At around 7pm he said he was off to a client dinner and that he would sign off the the night as it would be late. I assume he thought I thought he was in Geneva.

I don't know what got into me but I felt I wanted to know for sure, so at midnight I went to the hotel he normally stays at while here, and I waited in a bar over the road where I could see the door. Lo and behold, I saw him returning to the hotel and going in late. Alone.

I texted him. "Hey can we talk?" He replied immediately. "Sorry, no. Off to bed."

I felt humiliated and embarrassed of myself and like a true stalker. The next morning I decided it was over. I felt that if I told him the reasons why (I was upset he had coded his diary and I had spied on him outside his hotel) it would give me more reasons to feel embarrassed. So I just stopped communicating with him entirely.

Two weeks went by and I ignored all calls and messages and took a week off work to go away and switched my phone off. When I came back to work, I found him in my office, beside himself. Why had I done this to him? What was my problem? Why had I not replied to him? What did I think I was doing? He had been in London looking for me etc.

I've agreed to chat to him about it all on Wednesday when I am next in Geneva. I don't trust him. I cant tell him why.

I don't know anymore whether his behaviour is the red flag or whether mine is.

What do you think??

OP posts:
saraclara · 26/01/2020 20:39

How many threads have there been where a woman checks the man's phone? That's totally reasonable, always.

If a man is found to checked his wife/girlfriend's phone? Controlling and creepy. LTB NOW!

PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 26/01/2020 20:41

OP needs to cease this relationship, step back and work on believing she is worth something rather than busting a gut over
a) stupid conversations about diary sharing which is normal right and sane
b) her OHs movements in a fucking hotel which smacks of a complete lack of self belief and self worth

OP there’s simply not enough millennia left on this earth for this shit.

Bluntness100 · 26/01/2020 20:42

Agree, there are some posters who can't view it irrelevant of gender. For them the female is always right, thr op should always be told she's not to blame, she's done good and if there is a man to blame, even better.

Oldknees1 · 26/01/2020 20:49

You sound like Bridget Jones !

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HannaYeah · 26/01/2020 21:01

Oh FFS! No, I wouldn’t be justifying it differently if their genders were reversed. I would have sat in the effing pub with my best friend if he thought his SO was being shady on him and wanted to check up, one time.

After about 3 dates a man told me he’d found a picture of me online that was printed in a news paper almost 40 years ago. That damn thing is buried so far down that I cannot even find it myself, knowing the city, state and full names of all the people in the photo. He also found all kinds of other info about my family.

That man is my husband today. He wasn’t “stalking” me. He liked me! (And a minor miracle because he’s not that good at finding things on the Internet.)

I asked my Step son for a copy of his school class schedule so I would know what he was doing if I thought about him on a random Wednesday at 10am. I’m not stalking him! I care about him.

The way we know she wasn’t “stalking” his diary is that she told him herself that she had seen the London trip there. If she thought it would bother him she would have kept it a secret!.

TatianaLarina · 26/01/2020 21:09

Boyfriend doesn't want to see you occasionally. Tells you he's tired and it's work commitments. Sets new boundaries as it's not working for him.

So it's perfectly ok to cry, kick off, make him promise to always tell you and to set an expectation he should always see you, and then go hide outside his house and spy on him . Instead of just accepting it like a normal person and deciding if his new boundaries works for you and if you will continue on the relationship

But that’s not what happened if you follow the text of the OP.

Bf didn’t say “right I’ll be in London a bit more and sometimes I’ll be tired so I won’t be able to see you every time”.

Instead - he didn’t tell her he was changing their MO of a year’s standing, or that he was in London at all. So she finds out by accident, and quite naturally wonders if something’s up, and questions the whole relationship.

He managed to turn a perfectly mundane issue into a drama out of sheer stupidity.

BumbleBeee69 · 26/01/2020 21:13

Is OP coming back to update?

Has she GHOSTED us ?! Grin

TatianaLarina · 26/01/2020 21:14

That man is my husband today. He wasn’t “stalking” me. He liked me! (And a minor miracle because he’s not that good at finding things on the Internet.)

Quite. So my now DH once showed up in the square where I lived, a couple of months after we’d met, and called me to see if I was around. I said I was. He said “Do you think I’m stalking you”. I said “yes”. He said “Well, you’re right.” 🤪

LittleDragonGirl · 26/01/2020 21:30

Imho its stalking.

I think many posters forget that if he starts to slack with his work and gets into trouble he wont be visiting london, and by the sounds of it hes struggling to find the balance between having time to see clients, actually getting some down time and sleep and seeing OP. I dont think its unreasonable when the man in question has a solid day booked out and dosent finish until late that he may want to just go back to the hotel alone and collapse in bed and peace and quiet. If your job involves constantly entertaining clients I imagine sometimes some headspace alone is sometimes sorely missed.
If a man had acted this way towards a women he would be absolutely destroyed as a stalker and controlling.. but I forget often women are given a free pass because emotions yeah?
OP at no point ended it with the guy, she completely ghosted him, after a year of communication I'm not surprised he panicked and was incredibly worried, specially as OP had come across as incredibly unstable so I wouldn't be surprised if he was genuinely worried that OP may have done something extreme.
I think he has whole right to feel like OP has over stepped boundaries and not respected his right to personal autonomy by stalking his work calendar, I would go batty if i found out my DH was using my work calendar to stalk my every move, theres a large difference between it being shared so theres understanding of when something cant be available to talk, prevent calls while in meetings and then theres outright stalking every move unnecessary.
I actually dont understand what more the poor man could have done, he cancelled meeting a client for OP, put OP before work, and potentially put himself in a bad position with work for OP (let's remember if he loses his job there would be no him and OP).
I really dont understand what people want from him..

LittleDragonGirl · 26/01/2020 21:37

@Bluntness100
@saraclara

Glad to see theres some sanity on this thread Grin

TatianaLarina · 26/01/2020 21:50

There is but it’s not coming from them. Wink

ItFigures · 26/01/2020 21:54

I think the OP has probably been judged a little harshly here.

OP - the relationship is clearly well and truly over. Your actions are frankly a bit insane and whether you were driven to it or not it’s not ok to do it. He will continue to make you feel that way if you stay with him.

For whatever reason he doesn’t feel he can be completely honest with you and omits information which drives you into stalker mode. It’s just not healthy.

Petulantly ghosting him wasn’t a great idea either OP.

Just walk away from this because there’s no trust.

LovePoppy · 26/01/2020 21:58

Instead - he didn’t tell her he was changing their MO of a year’s standing, or that he was in London at all. So she finds out by accident, and quite naturally wonders if something’s up, and questions the whole relationship.

He managed to turn a perfectly mundane issue into a drama out of sheer stupidity.

She could have called him instead of spying on his hotel. You know that that’s an option, right?

Scarsthelot · 26/01/2020 22:05

Instead - he didn’t tell her he was changing their MO of a year’s standing, or that he was in London at all. So she finds out by accident, and quite naturally wonders if something’s up, and questions the whole relationship

No, they saw eachother once a week. She assumed if he was coming to London he would automatically see her. Even though he hadnt made arrangements to. She assumes that every time he is in London

I find it odd that a work had a bulletin that tells you people where abouts every few days. He obviously knows about the bulletin, because that's where she saw it the first time. Or did she withhold that information too? Not say she saw it in a bulletin, just that she checked his diary. Why would you?

If you saw something in a bulletin and someone said 'how did you know?' You are going to tell them in their diary, when the diary was where you checked after seeing it in the bulletin. Surely you would say 'its common knowledge, it was in the bulletin that comes out ti everyone every few days'. Unless that's not quite true.

If she told him about the bulletin, he didnt hide it. If she didnt tell him, why not?

I believe op has posted about him several times. Unless theres 2 posters who are seeing a colleague who are based in Geneva and sees them here one week and there the next. She was planning in moving there, despite them not actually discussing that and despite him being clear that he didnt want to be seeing eachother all the time.

Bluntness100 · 26/01/2020 22:11

Oh that's right, I remember that now. There was someone posting about moving to Geneva as you describe.

BumbleBeee69 · 26/01/2020 22:14

I believe op has posted about him several times. Unless theres 2 posters who are seeing a colleague who are based in Geneva and sees them here one week and there the next. She was planning in moving there, despite them not actually discussing that and despite him being clear that he didnt want to be seeing each other all the time.

interesting.... Hmm

Bluntness100 · 26/01/2020 22:20

I'm sure scars is right.

Op did you post about him before?

Lillygolightly · 26/01/2020 22:20

She could have called him instead of spying on his hotel. You know that that’s an option, right?

Why would you give someone who has already lied you twice (by omission or otherwise) a chance to do it a third time. She wanted to see it for herself, and so she did, I personally don’t think there is a problem with that, other than the fact that if you have to do that it rather does signify the end of a relationship. Furthermore had this been a slightly different scenario where she suspected her partner of being unfaithful a ton on here would be advocating her seeking the evidence and seeing for herself. In any case I’m sure this crossed her mind, it would have crossed mine, and I’d rather not be lied to and just find out and save myself wasting any more time.

Stillsexystillsingle · 26/01/2020 22:22

It's obvious he wants something casual she wants something serious both are now panicking because they can't have what they want this is why they need to talk it through and either find common ground or split

Bluntness100 · 26/01/2020 22:23

But she knew he was in London? It was on the bulletin. (Which is an odd thing) Why did she need to see it also to the extent that she had to hide out and go spy on him ? She knew he was there.

For most that's an indication he doesn't want to see you. Not an indication you should turn into James Bond.

Talkingmouse · 26/01/2020 22:27

It would be extremely difficult for two perfectly well adjusted adults to sustain a decent relationship given your differing locations and lives.

If you can’t agree together as a loving unit for one of you to move to the other’s county and be together properly, then end the relationship now and don’t look back.

Aridane · 26/01/2020 22:28

People who are calling the OP stalkerish for the diary thing - it’s a work culture issue

Do you extend that 'work culture issue' to hanging round a hotel, stalking?

Aridane · 26/01/2020 22:35

OP. Sorry but he's just not that into you, not as much as you are into him. His distancing behaviour has made you feel and act the way you did

Hmm