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is this a big red flag? Or am I a big red flag?

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aquickfiresidechat · 25/01/2020 23:19

I've been dating someone for a year. He works in the Geneva office of my company and he travels to London, and I to Geneva, once every other week, so it works out that we have seen each other for a period of days (2 or 3) each week staying at each other's flats/or hotels.

In the company we have a bulletin that goes round daily saying who is in which office within Europe. New man and I also have access to each other's calendars so some days I like to see what he is up to and imagine him going about his day and I always imagined he liked this too.

Anyway, we both went away separately for Christmas and came back early January. We were talking and chatting regularly on the phone like we always do about when we could next see each other. He then went on a business trip and was busy with meetings and time difference, so we did not get a chance to speak much.

Two weeks ago, I noticed on the company bulletin that he was due to be in London the next day. I assumed he had just forgotten to mention it being so busy and that he would make arrangements with me shortly. The next day came and he was not in the office. I double clicked on his diary and saw that he was in meetings in London but not coming into the office.

I sent him a message and said "why didn't you tell me you are in London? Can we see each other tonight?" He texted back a bit short and told me to meet him for a drink after work.

I arrived and asked him how he was. He said, "shocked." I said "why shocked?" he said "because you have been going through my diary and checking up on me." I said "but we have access to each other's diaries, I saw you were in London, and I assumed we'd see each other?" He sat there open mouthed for about 10 mins while I tried to justify why I had looked at his diary and questioned him.

When I got upset he became softer and said he wanted to make me happy and he was sorry for not telling me, but he had terrible jetlag, was completely underwater with work and not yet recovered from Christmas and just felt he needed a night to sleep. He cancelled his client dinner and we spent most of the evening talking about it. I was actually crying because I was so shocked at the sudden attitude change. He asked me to stay the night and I was still quite upset and said no, and we went our separate ways and he flew back to Geneva the next day. We agreed that we would communicate openly about when he is in London going forward.

The next morning he rang me before his flight, quite agitated and said that he had not slept a wink because he felt quite angry that I would demand he see me every time he is in London. He said it had nothing to do with seeing anyone else or not wanting the relationship, but he would be travelling to the UK more frequently and just the thought that, that would be my expectation every single time he was here felt very demanding. His justification for this was that he was most often knackered and would have evening meetings with clients or customers and therefore would not want to trek over to my flat at 11pm or midnight and then fly back to Geneva the next day. He said "you are my priority, but you cannot be my priority all the time." While I wasn't really happy with this, we agreed that he would tell me when he was in London even if he was not going to see me.

I found this new arrangement quite difficult to understand, as this was obviously not our previous pattern, so I didn't feel I was delusional or imagining the relationship was more than it was, for expecting the previous pattern to continue, even though at the time he was telling me this I was apologising rather than justifying my thought process. I felt that he reset the relationship and bamboozled me into thinking that questioning him or his behaviour was stalker-esque or obsessive.

We carried on speaking on the phone every day and texting a lot (it's always him initiating contact. He calls me about five times a day just to chat,) Three days later the company bulletin came again saying that he was in London. He had not told me this.

I double clicked on his diary only to see that he had codified it. Ie, replaced information with a letter and a number. All bookings and reservations that he usually made and I could previously see were now password protected and then diary entries had been made private. Seeing this made me feel like a stalker and made me think that he thought I was a stalker.

He carried on throughout the day communicating with me as normal. I did not ask him where he was. At around 7pm he said he was off to a client dinner and that he would sign off the the night as it would be late. I assume he thought I thought he was in Geneva.

I don't know what got into me but I felt I wanted to know for sure, so at midnight I went to the hotel he normally stays at while here, and I waited in a bar over the road where I could see the door. Lo and behold, I saw him returning to the hotel and going in late. Alone.

I texted him. "Hey can we talk?" He replied immediately. "Sorry, no. Off to bed."

I felt humiliated and embarrassed of myself and like a true stalker. The next morning I decided it was over. I felt that if I told him the reasons why (I was upset he had coded his diary and I had spied on him outside his hotel) it would give me more reasons to feel embarrassed. So I just stopped communicating with him entirely.

Two weeks went by and I ignored all calls and messages and took a week off work to go away and switched my phone off. When I came back to work, I found him in my office, beside himself. Why had I done this to him? What was my problem? Why had I not replied to him? What did I think I was doing? He had been in London looking for me etc.

I've agreed to chat to him about it all on Wednesday when I am next in Geneva. I don't trust him. I cant tell him why.

I don't know anymore whether his behaviour is the red flag or whether mine is.

What do you think??

OP posts:
BumbleBeee69 · 26/01/2020 19:17

I think this Thread should have had the VOTE buttons... Grin

Bluntness100 · 26/01/2020 19:25

I also think it should have vote buttons,

There are two camps.

The first camp think it's thoroughly acceptable to be checking your partners calander to track his movements, to expect to see him when ever he is near you, to expect him to tell you when he will be, to kick off to the extent he has to cancel a meeting to deal with you the first time he doesn't tell you, to not accept he might not want to see you due to working late and tiredness, to make him commit to always telling you where he is, to hide outside his hotel late at night waiting to see if he is staying there and alone, and then to immediately text him to talk to you, well after midnight, when you see him go back in, as you stand there secretly outside his hotel, and then to ghost him when you can't explain your actions.

The second camp think "is it fuck" acceptable 🤣

Tubernose · 26/01/2020 19:30

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Aridane · 26/01/2020 19:30

Your behaviour would be a red flag to me. I totally get that if you're flying in for a sequence of business meetings (not eve in the office), then going to a client dinner ending late evening, the last thing you feel like doing is schlepping off to partner;s house, particularly whe you have an early flight back the next day

StreetwiseHercules · 26/01/2020 19:32

“ No. I said I don't think either of them have done anything particularly wrong - or at least, they've both done the same amount wrong.

However, this whole drama has arisen because OP's bloke is a raging moron”

Scary.

StreetwiseHercules · 26/01/2020 19:34

Hang on a minute. So neither party have done much wrong or just about as much wrong but only HE is a “raging moron”.

L.O.L.

Sadiee88 · 26/01/2020 19:41

is there a future? that’s what I’d be asking myself

saraclara · 26/01/2020 19:41

Two weeks went by and I ignored all calls and messages and took a week off work to go away and switched my phone off. When I came back to work, I found him in my office, beside himself. Why had I done this to him? What was my problem? Why had I not replied to him? What did I think I was doing? He had been in London looking for me etc.

OP is lucky that he didn't report her as a missing person. What a cruel, cruel thing she did to him by just disappearing like that for TWO WEEKS (and with her phone actually switched off for much of it). How terrified would any of us be in his situation?

Stillsexystillsingle · 26/01/2020 19:47

This reads like the plot of a novel! Both have behaved badly. You need to meet, talk, and agree what you both want this relationship to look like going forward and if you can't agree you have to walk away

TatianaLarina · 26/01/2020 19:49

@Tuberose On the nose 18.42

Bluntness100 · 26/01/2020 19:58

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Bluntness100 · 26/01/2020 19:59

Sorry wrong thread, have reported! 🤣

Lifeisabeach09 · 26/01/2020 20:05

What a cruel, cruel thing she did to him by just disappearing like that for TWO WEEKS

He would have know she'd taken leave--from her calendar. $50 bucks says he checked it.

Is OP coming back to update?

TatianaLarina · 26/01/2020 20:10

He would have know she'd taken leave--from her calendar. $50 bucks says he checked it.

Kerching.

bobstersmum · 26/01/2020 20:11

When's the sequel?

TatianaLarina · 26/01/2020 20:12

Yeah there are two camps: the ones trying to twist checking a shared work calendar and a one off recce to verify if partner’s genuine, into a dramatic stalking narrative; and the ones who can see he’s basically a bit dim.

saraclara · 26/01/2020 20:16

In his place, even if you found she'd taken leave (remember you've been together for a year) wouldn't you still be worried sick?

It was a shitty and attention seeking thing for her to do. The least she could have done would be to text 'sorry, I'm going to take a break for a bit. I'm struggling a bit - I'll be back in touch soon, don't worry'
To simply disappear is 100% selfish.

Bluntness100 · 26/01/2020 20:17

As said, two camps Tatiana. 🤣

saraclara · 26/01/2020 20:19

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YasssKween · 26/01/2020 20:24

Oh come on, people are doubling down on the diary being OK instead of acknowledging the madness that is the hotel spying from the bar!

Even if you think the diary checking is a non-issue surely you can admit the hotel incident tips the scales in the favour of OP acting in an inappropriate and creepy way?!

At least he responded to her and spoke to her face to face when she made such a huge deal about her issue with him. She's ignoring him like a petulant teenager to punish him.

It's OK to think both of them have been dicks, I just think OP's behaviour is by far the more worrying of the two.

If you're at the stage of spying on a partner then it's over and you should have the maturity to end it. Not cry, spy then ghost. It's all so over dramatic.

Scarsthelot · 26/01/2020 20:27

Yeah there are two camps: the ones trying to twist checking a shared work calendar and a one off recce to verify if partner’s genuine, into a dramatic stalking narrative; and the ones who can see he’s basically a bit dim.

That's not one sided at all. Grin

Bluntness100 · 26/01/2020 20:27

Oh come on, people are doubling down on the diary being OK instead of acknowledging the madness that is the hotel spying from the bar

Apparently it's a "quick recce" and totally understandable. Which I assume means they also follow and spy on their partners. 🤣

YasssKween · 26/01/2020 20:33

@Bluntness100

Feel like I'm in a parallel universe that that behaviour is being explained away when if a woman posted saying her partner had done exactly the same (diary / guilt tripping / spying / ghosting), she'd be told to get out of the relationship as soon as possible and that it would escalate into being dangerous and abusive!

Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way, it's worrying so many people think it's acceptable behaviour.

saraclara · 26/01/2020 20:38

It's MumsNet. For many posters the woman is always reasonable, the man always a bastard. Some people never get beyond that. They simply aren't prepared to try to see the issue rationally.

Bluntness100 · 26/01/2020 20:39

I'm surprised people are arguing it is ok

Boyfriend doesn't want to see you occasionally. Tells you he's tired and it's work commitments. Sets new boundaries as it's not working for him.

So it's perfectly ok to cry, kick off, make him promise to always tell you and to set an expectation he should always see you, and then go hide outside his house and spy on him . Instead of just accepting it like a normal person and deciding if his new boundaries works for you and if you will continue on the relationship. Confused