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Dating thread 181 - into 2020 with finesse and strong boundaries!

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Menora · 15/01/2020 17:03

The Rules:

  1. The first rule about the dating thread is don't talk about it with people you're dating.
  2. Develop a thick skin.
  3. Do not invest emotionally too soon.
  4. It's all BS until it actually happens.
  5. Trust your gut instinct.
  6. People vanishing, lying & being generally weird is not your fault.
  7. Know your worth.
  8. If it's not fun, stop.
  9. Loo update is mandatory.
10. No dating the thread. 11. Treat others as you'd like to be treated 12. Any relationship you have that could get ruined by having a conversation about your feelings, standards and/or expectations wasn't really stable enough to begin with 13. The things you choose to ignore/ tolerate now are the reasons you will break up in the future

Link to Info on Dating Websites & Apps www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3514717-List-of-Dating-Site-Info-Dating-Thread

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Optional: Please give your irons (potential dates you are talking to) nicknames like Mr Scottish. Initials are allowed (Mr S) when you are an item.

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Misty9 · 22/01/2020 10:11

@StealthNinjaMum he's a few months out of a long relationship and before that he was married, so I don't think he's done lots of modern dating as it were.

@EchoElephant I get no messages! Unless I initiate. So last night I left it until late evening having had no contact since one message the evening before, then I suggested a phone call. He said he was busy then going to bed and suggested talking tonight. Then he was showing as online for quite a while and didn't read my message saying how was your day. I think it could be a niggle which ends things if we can't find a happy medium.

I just like to think I'm being thought of when I'm not there (this was missing in my marriage) and it's part of getting to know each other imo. But what you said stealth is interesting as I think he does think seeing each other once a week and chatting once or twice is enough. Modern communication techniques don't help all this do they?! I'd like to message him now but I know it'll likely be ignored or perceived as too much... But I don't want to change my behaviour...but then I'm asking him to change his I suppose. Hmm. Incompatible perhaps.

saltysally · 22/01/2020 11:14

I wouldn't date someone who is shy. I know what kind of man I can get along with and what doesn't work. Shy is best left for others. Been there, done that.

StealthNinjaMum · 22/01/2020 11:49

@Misty9 my ex was very shy but we largely had a good relationship, obviously he got more confident. We rarely communicated at the beginning other than meeting two or three times a week (obviously before kids it was easy to meet.) I can imagine him struggling now with modern dating not knowing he’s supposed to send messages between dates.

It’s this thing where two people are great together but the communications when apart isn’t enough for one of them. Sometimes Mr R doesn’t communicate as much as i’d like and I pull him up on it and he has improved a lot. But i’ve also calmed down over the last few months too and if I see he’s been on WhatsApp at midnight I don’t assume it’s another woman. So I think i’m saying that actually you both might change and be happy to compromise.

crazycatlady20 · 22/01/2020 11:51

I've been known to message 1st. if u dont try, ull never know. Been ignored a fair few times lol

Also have suggested meeting first if I like them obv. I've been told on many occasions im hard to read and dont give much away. so I think asking to meet makes my feelings a bit clearer.

shitwithsugaron · 22/01/2020 12:48

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Misty9 · 22/01/2020 12:58

@StealthNinjaMum thanks for your thoughts. He has already told me to calm down once Blush Grin I'll hopefully speak to him tonight to firm up the next date and then maybe bring it up again when we see each other, which may not be for a week or so anyway.

Stuckinarut79 · 22/01/2020 13:02

I sometimes use the flirt button on Pof but agree usually if they message first it has a bit more legs!

Anyone been on a date around Waterloo, not till the 1st but I’m meeting mr taichi as we’re both coming into Waterloo, we thought we’d meet there, if it’s nice I’m thinking a walk along the south bank, but any pub/cafe recommendations if it’s raining?

Misty9 · 22/01/2020 13:15

There's a cool bar under the arches by Waterloo. Can't remember the name but it's easy to find.

Misty9 · 22/01/2020 13:23

The Waterloo tap it's called

RamonaLark · 22/01/2020 14:34

Brand new here.

I went on my first ever first date last night. I’d been with my husband since I was 15 and have only been with one man. It was far from home and I ended up getting a hotel room for the night as I missed the last train.

He was honest, intelligent and funny, and I enjoyed his company. He is only one year younger than me but he felt very young. I’m 30, separated (legally married), have two children, my own house, etc. He’s 29, just moved back in with his parents after a break up and unsure which direction his life will take next.

I didn’t mind that we weren’t in the same place in life and we ended up going back to my hotel room. We didn’t have sex, but the things we did do he didn’t do that well (for me!). He’s sent me a message saying how special last night was for him.

I don’t know how to feel about it all, it’s all new to me. Is it normal for sexual things to be bad the first time or is life too short for bad sex? It would never be a serious relationship anyway so do I just cut and run?

shitwithsugaron · 22/01/2020 15:01

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Sunshineandflipflops · 22/01/2020 15:06

Hi @RamonaLark For me, I don't think i'd be comfortable enough on a first date to be confident in my abilities doing anything sexual, other than a kiss (and it's very rare I've even kissed on a first date!) so maybe you just need to get to know each other a bit more so you feel a bit more comfortable with what each other likes?

Also, I can't help but worry that you took a virtual stranger back to your hotel room. I'm not judging at all but be careful.

Notcoolmum · 22/01/2020 16:16

@RamonaLark welcome!! I'd bet that it wasn't that 'special' to him but he's saying what he thinks he should say after being in your room on he first date. No judgement but as you have been out of dating for so long I would make sure you are only doing things you are duly comfortable and making sure you are safe.

RamonaLark · 22/01/2020 16:32

I’ll be very happy with it not being ‘special’ to him. I agree, it was very risky behaviour and I’m not sure what came over me. I think I felt on holiday from my real life. I was very lucky and will definitely be more careful in future. Very uncharacteristic for me, and you live and you learn.

NoMoreWeepingAndWanking · 22/01/2020 17:29

@RamonLark - I have to admit - My first time with someone new after a 15 year relationship I was so nervous I was basically paralysed. It was dreadful. Second time I was much more relaxed and it worked far better. If you feel like you want to try again then give it another go, but if you don't - don't bother.

OK. So I need some input please. A brief recap for those who are new/don;t remember.

Back in November, a bare 2 months after my split I briefly met up with Mr Long Distance (then known as Mr Beard). We matched because he was staying near me on holiday and met for a short walk on his way home. We clicked, there was chemistry and I felt something I really wasn't expecting.

We arranged to meet for a longer date a couple of weeks later. In the interim we chatted often, especially via video chat and really got on well. I was looking forward to the date, then he went a bit quiet, said he was struggling with some stuff (I think he was a bit low) and he would get back to me in a week. Fine. Except when he got back to me it was 3 days before our date and he wanted to cancel it. He'd been feeling low. He couldn't deal with a long distance relationship. He really liked me but it just wasn't right etc etc.

I tried to stay friends and just chat to him but a few days later he got a bit short with me and I decided not to bother and, with your wise words in my head, just blocked and deleted.

A week before Christmas I got a notification he'd been looking at my LinkedIn. Two days after Christmas a notification he was following me on IG. NYE he sent me a message saying Happy New Year and asking to call me in a few days. I gave it a week and was just thinking if he hadn't got in touch within a week he wasn't going to when he did. So he called and was really lively and chatty and enthusiastic. He told me he regretted cancelling our date and that he wanted to give things between us a chance. We set a date to meet up the first weekend of Feb.

I haven't gone overboard messaging him since then. If he messaged I replied and once or twice I've messaged him, but on those occasions chat has been brief and not led to a video chat (his preferred method of communication). I checked and the last message I sent him (after a lacklustre chat) was "Ok. Well I'll leave you to it then. Give me a shout when you're feeling chatty" to which I got a thumbs up emoji. It's basically put the ball in his court.

I'm honestly a bit divided here. I've not been over-investing in him because, let's face it, he cancelled on me so that's a mark against him, but then he's pursued me since then, so I assumed he was keen, but then hit or miss contact since...

Basically: do I go along to the date, see how it goes and if the connection is still there (because goodness knows there's a possibility it was all tied up with my broken heart and desperation to find love when I was so vulnerable, rather than genuine feelings)? If it does go well I would be having a serious chat about what 'casual dating' means to him (so we have no confusion) and stating that I need a bare minimum of contact between dates in order for me to want to continue dating.

Or do I just contact him and call it off now? I am curious about whether there's something there, but I don;t much like this half-arsed communication style. Even if it's caused by him being focused on his life and work and kind of... compartmentalising me as "well we have a date set, I'll see her and talk to her then" as opposed to not seeing me as important... do I want to be in this situation? I'm really divided and could use some opinions.

My gut instinct is to go on the date, but be prepared to draw hard boundaries and expect him to baulk at them. Yes?

I do know my worth and I need a man who doesn't make me doubt his interest or feelings. He's halfway there (having pursued me) but the lack of communication is an issue. I'd be happy with a once-weekly call, I just need to know I'm in his thoughts.

Sorry for long message. This has been swirling round my head for days now.

Marlboroandmalbec34 · 22/01/2020 17:38

nomore go with your gut. Is it a convenient date for you? If you don’t have to travel, arrange childcare etc then you have nothing to lose but go with your boundaries in place

Marlboroandmalbec34 · 22/01/2020 18:00

I AM POTENTIALLY BEING A MUG ALERT

Mr Big last week told me he has feelings for me and would like to see if we can have a proper relationship. I know he is probs trying to just reel me back in but I have agreed to a date with him at the weekend. There will be no sex as I only have an evening sitter and he will be coming to my city and leaving on the train. I know it’s probs a stupid idea, I’m a mug and I should have blocked him ages ago.

I think I’m gonna lay my cards on the table and say if he wants me we have to crack on and really see each other a lot more. If he doesn’t want to do this then he has to let me go. Thoughts??

For the newbies Mr Big was my FWB for a year but due to our child free weekends been alternate I have seen him once a fortnight when we are both child free. I ended the arrangement at Xmas as I have the feels for him.

shitwithsugaron · 22/01/2020 18:14

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unambiguousbeard · 22/01/2020 18:21

@Marlboroandmalbec34 go for it. You keep going back to each other time and time again. There's clearly something. But you need to set out your parameters for what you want from a relationship and stick to it.

unambiguousbeard · 22/01/2020 18:22

To be fair @shitwithsugaron he did the going t ok have sex with someone else when they were non-exclusive FWB. And it was aeons ago.

unambiguousbeard · 22/01/2020 18:23

Having said that you do always decide there's something missing @Marlboroandmalbec34 and that it's just not right. Who knows... just be careful.

Marlboroandmalbec34 · 22/01/2020 18:28

It was August. He says he hasn’t seen anyone since. We weren’t exclusive but I was devastated and he knew I was upset before he went but he did it anyway. We had discussed exclusivity in June but then 3 days later I found him on tinder. He reckoned he just hadn’t closed it and obvs I shouldn’t have been on to find him so we went back to FWB. It’s all been such a mess really!

unambiguousbeard · 22/01/2020 18:29

So I'm clearly lurking! Nothing to say. I'm enjoying not dating. I'm enjoying being single. I'm not even going to loads of extra Meetup type activities in the hope of meeting a man there. I'm watching tv alone in bed and enjoying it. Sooner or later someone will pop up. I'm in no rush. I've got shedloads of study to do, I can obsessively get on with my hobby.

I might go back on the apps in spring/summer when I want to go out more of an evening but I'm happy for now. It's quite liberating. Actually make that very liberating! Plus I haven't got time for a relationship really, three nights a week isn't enough and I'd rather do my hobby over the weekend. I'll keep lurking though...

unambiguousbeard · 22/01/2020 18:30

@Marlboroandmalbec34 you need your heads knocking together for once and for all!

Marlboroandmalbec34 · 22/01/2020 18:30

I have unambiguous and I still don’t know what it is!