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To terminate/put up for adoption because of abusive ex-husband

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RainMinusBow · 28/12/2019 12:53

Currently 18 weeks' pregnant (much wanted) with fiancé but abusive ex making my life hell. He has 50:50 of our two boys (court enforced) despite years of abuse and coercive control. It still continues and has got a lot worse since he's found out I'm pregnant. Has told our children that the baby is going to be "born a retard" (because of my age) and that boys should just hope and wish that the baby dies. The boys come home "pretending" to stab me and thump me in the stomach.

Ex called today (via son) calling me a pervert and a psycho because I am pregnant.

The abuse never stops.

Nobody helps me.

The only way I can realistically minimise the abuse is to let this baby go. I know it would break my fiancé (his only chance at fatherhood and I'm 39 now) but I can't live like this.

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RainMinusBow · 08/03/2020 04:48

@Sparklyring Aw thank you for checking in on me. Excuse my language, but in a word...shit. Abusive ex continuing to be an idiot but now worse to deal with...

OH had emergency spinal surgery last week and has been diagnosed with a very rate syndrome called Cauda Equina. He's had a terrible back for ages but started to have falls and eventually couldn't wee He came home today with a catheter and can barely walk. We don't know if he'll ever get back his bladder function.

I can't sleep and no idea how he's going to manage when I'm back in at work on Monday.

Oh, and the dog is also on her way out.

Now 28 weeks' pregnant but still don't know what to do re what is best for baby.

I seriously music have done somethong very wicked in a past life! :(

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RainMinusBow · 08/03/2020 04:49
  • must not music, lack of sleep!
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DropYourSword · 08/03/2020 05:08

I’ve read all your messages on this thread OP and if there was ever a man I wanted to scream FUCK OFF at, it’s your controlling bastard ex.
Keeping or terminating or adopting this baby won’t make the blindest bit of difference to how he’ll treat you. Whatever you do, he will weaponise it.
You should take this little bit of happiness and not let HIM ruin it. I was so pleased to see you’d messaged him to say unless it was an emergency or relevant to your kids to not text you any more. I hope that’s your response to any snarky texts he sends. “That’s really not any of your business so I won’t be engaging in any further conversation with you about it, thanks” would be a saved phrase in my phone if I were you.

Your new OH sounds like a very kind, loving patient man, and I hope he recovers quickly. Neither of you deserve this treatment.

RainMinusBow · 08/03/2020 05:15

@DropYourSword Aw thank you. My ex is evil beyond anything you can imagine. He will be loving the fact OH is ill and using it to try to gain further custody no doubt.

He has already wound up the boys about coronavirus and has told them in no uncertain terms that if I get it the baby (who he refers to as 'it') will most definitely die. My eldest is petrified.

Thing is, now I have a very poorly OH who may well be permanently incontinent, love him.

There's only so much one can take and I think I'm reaching my limit!

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DropYourSword · 08/03/2020 05:22

Just don’t make any quick decisions that will have very long term implications!
You’re in a difficult place with your OH being sick right now, but your ex is acting up because he probably realises finally he DOESN’T have as much control over you as he once did. You aren’t “obeying” him anymore, you’re doing your own thing, with your own man, making your own happiness and he’s absolutely FURIOUS he can’t stop you. Every time he sends another vile message I’d have an internal chuckle at just how impotently enraged he is at not being able to control you any longer.
You’ve been SO STRONG to break free of him.

FredaFrogspawn · 08/03/2020 05:37

Can’t tell you how much I feel for you in this horrible situation regarding your ex.

How are the boys about their sister now? Have they engaged more?

The one thing he can’t control or take from you is your little girl.

RainMinusBow · 08/03/2020 05:44

@FredaFrogspawn Thank you. The eldest is still struggling with it. Found a text on his mobile from his dad saying: "You know you and your brother will be totally ignored when it is born." I have taken a screenshot.

Thing is, I honestly don't know what to do about the baby now. We have no friends to speak of to help and OH is going to be unwell for a long time. He might be with a catheter for the rest of his life.

I feel so guilty for adding to everything by bringing another life into the world right now.

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Igottaknowyounow · 08/03/2020 06:24

I don’t really have any advice, but having read your thread, you’re so strong for keeping going through all this.
Your little girl will be a blessing on your family, your boys being happy for you. There’ll be ups and downs with them, but I think your ex knows he’s losing control of you all which is why he’s being worse.

Keep reporting, and as someone mentioned above, maybe try your local MP? Just bash out an email to them giving them the gist and see what happens. If they do nothing you’re in the same position as now anyway.

I hope your fiancée improves soon and wish you all so much good health and happiness.
Your ex? I hope his knob falls off

Willow4987 · 08/03/2020 06:24

Hi op, I didn’t want to read and run but this is my honest opinion

Your ex will not back off regardless of whether you keep or have this baby adopted

If you keep it, he will carry on as he is

If you don’t, he will make you out to be a horrible person who doesn’t love her children what am evil mother you are etc and that you will do it to your current DC and shouldn’t they live with him. He’s so twisted he will 100% use the situation to his advantage

You can’t win with him so in some respects I think you need to blank him from the decision

Do you want this baby? Only you can answer that

Sending you hugs r.e your DH

wrinkledimplelover · 08/03/2020 06:45

OP I've just come across this thread and read it all. I'm so sorry your OH is really ill now too on top of everything else.

Your baby, however, will be a bundle of joy in your house. She will brighten all your lives. Don't feel guilty. Babies require attention but they can also bring so much more than that.

I know you can't pay (I've RTFT Wink) but was wondering if you've got a solicitor nearby who specialises in DV who does a free hour or half hour? A specialised one could take a look at your situation and advise you. Like tell you you need X, Y & Z evidence and then you can do A and this is how to do it. Right now the advice might be more how to get the right sort of evidence rather than anything else. But you can't lose anything by doing this and it won't poke the beast as he'll never know. Documenting everything is important but perhaps there's something else that can help in the long run that hasn't been mentioned because the people advising recently have been coming from it piecemeal. A specialized DV solicitor might have different take on things. Like I say, you've nothing to lose in a free consultation.

You also have a tool I'm not sure you realise, which is you know your ex. You know him better than anyone. And also, despite all his twisted, despicable behaviour with your boys, he hasn't actually managed to turn them against you! He's clearly manipulating them, but they still do know right from wrong and they still do care about you. This is great! Previous posters have mentioned setting down clear boundaries with your boys. My thoughts are - for what they're worth and I honestly do understand you're worn out past the point of being empty with all this - that you can combine these things to your advantage.

So, knowing your ex and knowing that your kids are still good kids underneath what he's attempting to do, would it be possible to set up your home as a place that's safe. Put in some rules about what can't/can't be said. Tell them what he's said is wrong and that anything he says about what goes on in your house is something he knows nothing about as he's not even supposed to be in the garden! Tell them they have two homes and in their dad's it's his rules and in yours it's yours. Rules like everybody treated with respect, everybody feel safe, no threats - even jokey ones. You know what I mean. Include that a rule of your house is that they do not send photos to him of your home, because this is not appropriate, and if he asks them to report back on things like what you bought for the baby say they don't know: the houses are to be kept separate. You also can anticipate the crap ex is going to say and just repeat repeat repeat that you love them, you're proud of them, how they're going to be amazing brothers to the baby, how she's going to love them. Create a bond between them.

I understand how your anxiety is playing in the fear of creating a bond, but perhaps anxiety of fear there's no bond could be put to use here?

Basically set up your home almost officially as a place of love and respect. I actually think it is anyway, because they are comfortable with you and not with him. But setting up these boundaries now will make it not a change that's because of the baby. If you get them in place before the baby is born, then it'll make things easier.

And I think you must be one hell of a mother, tbh, because while they've parroted things he's said or planted in their minds, they STILL prefer your home and ultimately do know right from wrong - like when ex was in the garden and they supported your OH. You're a great mother, with a tonne of shit to deal with.

wrinkledimplelover · 08/03/2020 06:47

Also, re the killing the baby comment, I think it's important to document. I also wonder if this was something DS said in a way to test your response. Your kids knew ex shouldn't have been in the garden. That is far less obvious than killing. So could it be that EX planted the seed but that DS said it almost as a way of testing your reaction to it? The "just joking" being a hiding of his embarrassment? I remember saying things as a kid that I thought were wrong (not on that level though) but someone bigger had said them and I kind of wanted confirmation they were wrong. I couldn't have explained it, but I was actually wanting confirmation that the big kid was wrong, I just couldn't ask "are they wrong" because they'd been so convincing.

Maybe it's not that with your DS, but thought I'd add it as an alternative in case it could be.

Iggly · 08/03/2020 06:52

OP your children are victims and you need to take responsibility for fighting this. Find your anger. I mean this isn’t fair on them and you’re the only parent who can help.

Yes you’re a victim too but you have more power than you seem to know.

I worry for your sons and the impact on their future mental health. They may wonder if you could have done more.

Can you afford counselling?

wrinkledimplelover · 08/03/2020 06:59

Hey OP I just saw your other thread (about OH) - I'm not stalking, it was just the next I clicked on in Active!

You mention the name of the hospital in it. As EX is so controlling, perhaps ask MNHQ to delete the name of the hospital? It's unlikely he'd find the threads, but if he did then that would be a clear indicator of it being you and found search your username. No hospital name and there's no "evidence".

RainMinusBow · 08/03/2020 09:53

I've had free counselling and eldest is also being seen. It helped a bit. He suffers from OCD and this has been made worse by ex with coronavirus comments eg baby is going to die.

My priority right now has to be fiancé but when we are stronger we will look at addressing issues with ex.

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RainMinusBow · 08/03/2020 09:54

@wrinkledimplelover Thanks - have done 😊

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Fonduefrolics · 08/03/2020 11:02

I just want to wish you well RainMinusBow and I hope your OH has a speedy recovery.

No advice about your ex. Just wanted to pick up on your son regarding the OCD. I’m 30 years on from my adolescent OCD but all the talk of viruses and handwashing is making my old tendencies whisper a little. If you can seek some extra support from school or whomever has been helping your son now might be a good time.

Dery · 08/03/2020 16:36

@RainMinusBow

I am sure you could get a non-molestation order against your XH. There doesn’t need to be physical violence and it doesn’t matter that you are no longer together. It is possible to get one of those orders even though you are co-parenting. Contact the National Centre for Domestic Violence and they can explain the process: www.ncdv.org.uk/.

Please see also if there is a way of re-opening the contact order. There must be. He is emotionally abusing your DC and it must be having an appalling effect on their MH. This seems like a safe-guarding issue to me. Other PP have said they re-opened their contact orders. See if you can do the same. Your DC might not thank you for it now but they will in the future.

Of course you cannot allow this pathetic excuse for a man to terrorise you into giving up your baby and I cannot see how your fiancé could live with that either.

RainMinusBow · 18/03/2020 21:47

Update: My ex-husband has told my eldest not to come back to me on Monday when it's my week as with the coronavirus outbreak it is better for them to stay with him. Because he has loads of food, money and bathrooms. We are poor and only have one bathroom.

Now 29 weeks' pregnant and already suffering from serious anxiety before I was told this by son tonight. Midwife saw me for routine visit today and is concerned already about my mental health. Keytones in my urine because I'm not eating properly. I don't need the ex kicking off again right now.

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RandomMess · 18/03/2020 21:54

Honestly, I think you need to self-isolate and the DC aren't going to school tomorrow as you have a cough so they will be quarantined with you for the foreseeable future...

RainMinusBow · 18/03/2020 22:38

@RandomMess I like your thinking, but they are with my ex until Sunday (Mother's Day). I am expecting him not to release them to me.

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RainMinusBow · 18/03/2020 22:40

I'm not at work as pregnant teacher so at home currently on mw and GP advice.

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looondonn · 18/03/2020 22:41

So sorry do you have a good solicitor to advice you first thing in the morning ?? Poor you xxxxx

RainMinusBow · 18/03/2020 22:54

@looondonn Unfortunately I don't the money for a solicitor. I have a Court Order in place and ex is known on police database for controlling behaviour so I guess I will have to call them of he refuses to hand over?

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RandomMess · 18/03/2020 23:16
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Dery · 19/03/2020 00:20

Yes, involve the police if your X refuses to return your DCs.