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To terminate/put up for adoption because of abusive ex-husband

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RainMinusBow · 28/12/2019 12:53

Currently 18 weeks' pregnant (much wanted) with fiancé but abusive ex making my life hell. He has 50:50 of our two boys (court enforced) despite years of abuse and coercive control. It still continues and has got a lot worse since he's found out I'm pregnant. Has told our children that the baby is going to be "born a retard" (because of my age) and that boys should just hope and wish that the baby dies. The boys come home "pretending" to stab me and thump me in the stomach.

Ex called today (via son) calling me a pervert and a psycho because I am pregnant.

The abuse never stops.

Nobody helps me.

The only way I can realistically minimise the abuse is to let this baby go. I know it would break my fiancé (his only chance at fatherhood and I'm 39 now) but I can't live like this.

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Royallyscrewed · 19/03/2020 01:06

If ever there was a good candidate for a vicious dose of coronavirus it’s your ex!

looondonn · 19/03/2020 01:24

I am so sorry can you call WA tomorrow or rights of women?
So hard
My ex was and still is a total abuser
Taking me to court in a few weeks for access
Hate him

Hate all abusers !!!

Emma330912 · 19/03/2020 04:15

It must be such a confusing time for you, hope this makes sense but when I left my ex, it was weird to allow myself to get stressed out about things, as it was always normally about his stress, any difficult decisions I'd look to him. Although you might have not left mentally, you've physically left the relationship, you've made that massive step, it's hard but what happens with your baby is up to you & your partner, your ex holds no power in that & he knows it.
Also, if the boys are spending time with their dad, I would say it could be a positive that they are coming home and telling you what their father has said, it's almost a cry for help, subconscious or not. They are letting you know the emotional abuse they're suffering & will likely take your lead on how to handle it.
The fact your eldest has told you he doesn't think his dad will send him back & you've previously said they are scared, was probably him looking to you to make that decision for him so he won't have to take on more guilt or emotional abuse from his dad.
I understand how tough it can be OP, I've made loads of rubbish decisions regarding my Ex, but when I'm scared I always remind myself my love for my children outweighs my fear for him, if that helps
Take care OP & sorry this post turned out so long!:)

Mlou32 · 19/03/2020 05:00

You need to call the police again and explain everything. Advise them that if they don't take any action against his harassment then you will be taking things higher up the chain and you will be making a complaint against them.

What he is doing is harassment and emotional abuse. The police can take action. Sometimes they can be lazy and not want to take action because its complicated and they can easily fob you off; I've experienced this myself. However you have to be firm with them. Keep a diary of every piece of contact ie texts, voicemails etc. Along with everything that your boys say to you ie the examples you've given above. Wrote down the date and time of everything. Inconspicuously keep your phone on record when you meet your ex to record everything he says, keep every text message. Go to the police. Contact womens aid again. Contact your MP if the police do nothing. Speak to your GP and midwife. It will all be recorded. Be relentless.

I also think you need to have a word with your boys and tell them the impact of their words and actions on you. They are old enough to understand.

Abusers like him do eventually give up when they realise that they don't hold any influence over you anymore. His 26yo girlfriend will be his next victim; if not her then another woman.

Stay on this thread OP. We are here to support you.

Mlou32 · 19/03/2020 05:09

Also refuse to have phone contact with him; any contact you have with him should be by text so that you have evidence. And be very clever when texting him; take a deep breath and wait a few minutes before replying to any text as no doubt he will try and goad you into saying something that looks bad and could later be used against you. If he calls the kids and tries to get to you that way, simply walk away and keep repeating that he can text you if its something that he needs to know about contact etc. Contact social services; perhaps a contact centre or liaison person can be used for handovers of the boys, if someone does need go be present for handovers of them.

I think you also need to seek legal advice about the marital home. That is 50% yours. If you don't want to live in it then it needs to be sold. Your ex, by abusing you, is managing to keep a hold of this asset, he is basically bullying you into being to scared to pursue it.

I say this with kindness as someone who has went through domestic abuse myself; you need to get out if the victim mindset and fight back. I know how hard it is to reframe your mindset, but you can do it. Remind yourself that YOU are winning. You have a lovely baby on the way, a loving partner. Your ex is mad that you are moving on hand why he is lashing out.

Please contact womens aid again. Along with all the other people that I mentioned before. And social services x

snowqu33n · 19/03/2020 05:52

If you’re oldest is 12, he will make a choice to stand up to his dad at some point soon.
Your ex will do what he will do, you must rid yourself of the notion that your efforts to appease him mean anything.
In fact, he will always escalate his behavior in order to get some reaction as he is addicted to this behavior.

I thought that from 12 years old in the UK, the child could have a say about which parent to live with, and how much contact, if any?
Your ex is escalating his controlling behavior to your oldest. He is scared that he will lose control so he is using everything he can to bind him to himself.
This works to your advantage because your son will want to go through the natural stage of growing independent from his parents as a teen.

Have a discussion with your son. He probably doesn’t realize how much say he has. Tell him he can be strong and decide what he wants for himself, that he doesn’t have to appease either parent.

You don’t have the resources to fight your ex in the court, but for your eldest, it’s irrelevant anyway. By 14 years he can choose for himself. You don’t get any money from your ex and it’s a case of what your DS says, goes. Your DS needs to think about that.

If he decides he wants to leave your ex’s house and come to yours at any point, he can get you to send someone to collect him, or even ask for the police to come and check that he is not being imprisoned against his will when he wants to return to your house. They can make sure that your younger one comes at the same time, in accordance with what was legally agreed.

I think you should try to talk to a few solicitors and investigate getting a loan to get someone to explore how to sue for at least some of the child benefits that your ex has withheld that were due for your older son, as well as for damages for slander, harassment, intentional emotional distress, stalking etc.
You need a legal eagle to assess your situation.

Once you have assessed what you could do, get them to send a cease and desist type letter stating that if your ex doesn’t fully back off, you will pursue every legal avenue.

There is a new domestic violence bill being drafted at the moment and it could be relevant to your situation.

As an aside, it’s a long shot, but have you checked any of your insurance policies to see if they offer any legal advice over the phone? I did this once, it was actually horse insurance and my question was totally unrelated to that, but the person on the end of the phone gave me all kinds of useful information and advice.

Does Citizen’s Advice still exist in the UK?

I know you feel defeated but it’s actually the dread of what the abuser might do that is the hardest.
He doesn’t have to do much at all.

Use your time to think of all the ways you could possibly fight back.
Even if you don’t have the strength right now, you can hold the information in reserve for when you feel stronger.

Just knowing that you have something up your sleeve will help.

In a few short years your two elder DS can start deciding for themselves.

Anything could happen to get your ex off your back. Karma.
Focus on your future, not his. Sorry that your partner is unwell, but at least he got his op before the current situation where everyone is self-isolating at home anyway.

You can do this, you can have a future filled with hope and love.

Goldenmother · 19/03/2020 06:50

@RainMinusBow I'm so sorry to hear that your Ex after all this time is still set on making your life miserable it's sounds like he can't get over the fact you left him and he certainly can't stand to see you happy, I loved reading the comment from your oldest son about the baby sex not mattering as long as she ok he sounds very confused sadly from his father don't give up on your baby I think your oldest boy will be a wonderful big brother to her when she arrives

BibbidiBobbidiBooo · 19/03/2020 06:56

Glad to hear you didn't get rid because of your arsehole ex.
He cannot stand that you have moved on. That's the problem. He is vile. You need to go to the police.

Mummacake · 19/03/2020 07:42

OP congratulations on your little girl - she'll be the tonic you all need. Your ex is like mine - turning the children against me. He was found to have caused the children significant emotional harm - his obsession with the eldest is disturbing. I used to ask the children to leave all the attitude etc outside the gate after contact as I had similar comments from the eldest. It took time but they were scared not to comply with their father. What happens in your home is no e of his business. No photos of your belongings/home - nothing. This man is poisoning the children. Look up grey rock - everything via the communication book. Hard as it is, do not engage. The gf will be pregnant soon enough. Control is everything to this man and he can't cope with you preferring to live with less than live with him. They never change. Keep well and stay strong. The coming weeks will be a challenge with schools closed and the boys may not want to be looked after by his gf. Stay well yourself, look after your baby & partner. It won't be easy but the children will see him for what he is.

mummmy2017 · 19/03/2020 08:56

So sorry your life is so hard.
That the system is s being used against you by your ex.
Maybe you need to have an honest chat with your eldest, explain that mum and dad as a couple didn't work, there was room Ch anger. That a baby only knows how to love and your son's will never be replaced and n your love, just there will be more love to share. I think some needs telling how he is a great big brother, and how proud you are of him, and how his little sister will adore him.

Mary1935 · 19/03/2020 09:24

Op you’ve had some great advice on here. Hope you can put some into action.
Enjoy your baby.
Your ex is a nasty person.
You have access arrangements in place - you do not need to speak to him. Please take care

RainMinusBow · 21/03/2020 19:51

I've just had an email from the ex saying I am not to see the boys "for the forseeable future" as I am pregnant and my mum had cancer two years ago.

I am beside myself and feel like taking my own life.

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RainMinusBow · 21/03/2020 19:52

The police can't help despite me having a Court Order.

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ThusSpoke · 21/03/2020 20:03

You need to see a lawyer. Now.

This happened to a friend of mine. Her ex refused to return their daughter. She contacted a lawyer on the Monday and had an emergency court hearing set for the same week. Her daughter was ordered to be returned to her care straight away.

Please instruct a lawyer.

RainMinusBow · 21/03/2020 20:14

I'm going to contact my barrister. I judy don't know where to get the money from.

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ThusSpoke · 21/03/2020 21:05

I live in Scotland and Legal Aid is still available here for these types of matters. Is this not the case in England/Wales?

Can you ask for a payment plan to be agreed with your lawyer?

Your ex is an utter piece of shit and he is trying his best to alienate those boys from you. I feel sick just thinking about how you felt reading that email from him.

RainMinusBow · 21/03/2020 21:18

@ThusSpoke No, no legal aid.

He's done this before and is allowed to get away with it. He has destroyed my mother's day and is destroying my life.

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Forflipssake2 · 22/03/2020 18:49

@RainMinusBow I am heartbroken reading your posts. I’m so sorry that the police are not supporting you when they should be. Talk to the Designated safeguarding lead at your boys schools they have to help you and your boys. You sound like a wonderful mum and partner. Good luck Flowers

RainMinusBow · 22/03/2020 19:36

I've notified the school. The police say they cannot and will not help. I have told them I feel scared and very mentally unwell due to his abuse but they say nothing they can do. I am struggling to eat, sleep or take care of my unborn baby.

We're having to issue an Urgent Court application to try to get the boys back.

My eldest (12) messaged me this morning with this:

I don’t want to come back as I’m worried about you and the baby and I don’t want anyone getting ill because of me. I still want to talk to you like we do on a Wednesday.

Ex has told him if he comes home my baby WILL die and that if I do get it and the baby dies it will be his fault.

How on earth is this not abuse???

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ThusSpoke · 22/03/2020 20:59

I’ve read back through your posts and it seems you have been let down badly by the court/legal system, whilst on the other hand your ex has been empowered by it.

With your past experiences in mind, I can understand why you are reluctant to fight him again but I think that now may be the time to do that because your ex is not going to stop.

You are going to have this matter heard in court. Can you speak to your solicitor about the possibility of asking to have the court order revised based on your ex’s behaviour? Surely there is an appropriate body who could be involved here to safeguard your boys?

RainMinusBow · 22/03/2020 21:07

@ThusSpoke I couldn't agree more. The problem is, my ex is genuinely a psychopath. He is incredibly manipulative and clever and plays the game.

The police cannot help, SS won't get involved. Ultimately, nobody will stop this abuse because although I have told them again and again what he is doing, it is almost impossible to prove.

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Dery · 24/03/2020 09:23

Have you spoken to your barrister yet?

You can prove it be putting it all in a witness statement containing a statement of truth. That is evidence. Your barrister should be able to help you with this. If not, PM me and I will help you draft something. But I should add that my experience is with non-molestation orders (which I think you should also get) - I don’t know what order would be required for the return of your D.C. but hopefully your barrister can help with that and you could use the same statement for both applications.

RainMinusBow · 24/03/2020 09:40

@Dery Thank you so much - yes, I've instructed a solicitor who is working on it. Good news is there has been clarification from the government that in cases of shared care children under 18 are allowed to travel between the two homes. Phew.

I will definitely be looking into asking for a NMO down the line so any advice really appreciated. The constant psychological abuse that continues years post-divorce is taking its toll on myself and my family.

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RandomMess · 24/03/2020 10:17

You can also apply to have power of arrest (I think it's called) attached to the CO so if he withholds again the police can be involved.

Dery · 24/03/2020 12:09

@RainMinusBow That’s great news. Good luck!

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