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Support thread-trapped in an unhappy relationship and can’t leave/can’t leave yet

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Idontkowmyname · 18/12/2019 22:14

I thought I might start a thread to help those of us trapped in unhappy relationships over the stressful Xmas/New Year period. Have a moan, have a rant, debrief and hopefully feel less isolated/alone when it appears everyone else is playing happy families.
Ironically saw something on Facebook which said stop comparing your outtakes to everyone else’s highlight reels which I thought was quite apt given the time of year.

OP posts:
Sheddingskins · 08/02/2020 09:29

Hi @OEJ1979, I read your post and wanted to send you a hug. It's the fear that's the killer. I still worry every day that my kids will blame me for the changes that I've implemented, and the ones still to come.
When I was building myself up to make the break, and shortly afterwards, a friend said that I should realise that my worst fears had already happened. I had fallen out of love, could no longer tolerate being in that family unit, had upset the kids by taking my stand and seeking a new way of life for me. I had to just trust in myself and the universe, and let the tides take me. Sometimes we get to the point where neither option looks great, but that's when you need to have faith in you and the way you feel. Try not to catastrophise...I do it all the time, and really you need to have two things to focus on at any one time. I will do x and then I will do y, and don't think about the rest. Each time you take a step you can allow yourself to add one more goal or action. For me it was tell H then work out how to get that space...once I had done those (took six months)...it was tell kids. Then start the nesting...then get through Xmas etc...One thing at a time....
Stay strong xx

PressToChange · 08/02/2020 10:28

@lana2020 hello! It sounds like you have a really strong plan in place. It's not easy I'm sure but knowing your own mind and working towards what you want so determinedly will be with it.

@sheddingskins this are really wise words. Our house is about to go f()&ing nuclear when I tell him that I've instructed a solicitor.

We ended up having a tow this morning about curtain rods. He's ordered them for the living room without telling me and they have lime green crystal style balls at the end.

I said why did he think he can just do this sort of stuff. It's not his house and he should consult me.

His tactic is to avoid that point and go. You're very angry aren't you. Why are you shouting. You got out of control last night as well.

Well no no and no.

He's pure f()£ing evil and I cannot stand him and his manipulation.

Like @OEJ1979 I have no idea what he's whispering in the kids ears and I'm scared they'll fall for it.

He of course has done nothing wrong and bad guy mummy is being mean to the lovely daddy.

He's turning it all round to me. He wants to talk to me but I don't let him talk. I can't be approached.

Yes I bloody well can it's just that he uses that as an excuse all the time to do what the hell he likes.

My mind is absolutely frazzled by these mind games. I try to stay strong. I try to stick to practical advice and a practical pathway out but he is so torturous in his mind games.

I'm sitting here now upset frightened about the future etc after taking dd to an activity. He's at home most likely not thinking anything at all about this mornings exchange.

He will go through this divorce process genuinely believing he is wronged.

I'm so hurt inside I might burst but have to keep this divinities, practical, rational face going.

OEJ1979 · 08/02/2020 13:09

@Sheddingskins thank you.
I like the two steps at a time.
I’ve told him and he has hit the roof. Ideally I would like to have more of a plan for me to move out before we tell the kids but that won’t happen. He needs to try and control this somehow.
DD has said some pretty mean things this morning...
About my family-I’m not to tell them he is too busy to come. I won’t. My sister can tell her why he isn’t there!
About holidays-that I refuse to go on them. What she doesn’t realise is that I spent hours planning summer holidays only for him to refuse to do them.
It’s so hard not to snap back but I’m determined not to say a bad word about him.
Step 2 have forms sent
Then back to 1
Somewhere to live and tell kids.

Doesn’t sound any less daunting and I’m still petrified just sadly see no way out.
Thank you for your words xx

Lana2020 · 09/02/2020 01:36

Thank you for the reply Idontknowmyname and the advice re his parents. It's 50/50 on making it home but i am determined to at least try. If it doesn't happen I plan to get him to leave. Either way the last two years has given me time to get everything into place.

I hate weekends because he is home from work. He started again this morning and I just looked at him and thought you really are a horrible person to the core. I don't even want to waste my time talking to you.

My DC are only little so hats of to you all with older kids. I can see some husband's are using the kids as weapons. My own Father did this to us as children and I did side with him when I was younger but I grew up and seen my mom had no choice to leave and we are incredibly close now. So even if they don't see the truth now they will one day xx

Suzie0003 · 09/02/2020 09:29

I'm new to the thread but have been planning my exit for a while now. I'd been a stay at home mum for 11 years and am now back in employment so I'm hoping I'll be granted a mesher order to stay in the family home. My children are aged between 4-13 and it will devestated my youngest who is such a daddy's girl. I'm the main carer for the children as due to my husbands hours he'll only be able to have the children 1-2 nights a week although I'll be happy for him to come over in the week while I'm working (I don't finish until 9.30pm some days) I'm trying to be as fair and reasonable as I can be and will be arranging to see a solicitor in the coming weeks

OEJ1979 · 09/02/2020 12:02

@Suzie0003 and @Lana2020 you both sounds confident and well organised. Keep strong.

One question I can’t yet answer in my head. Do we tell the kids now or wait until we have a better idea as a couple what the future plans are?

He wants to tell them now.
As it’s me divorcing him he feels I should be out of the house more. As in just disappear at the weekends. Zero chance of that.

My gut says let’s wait until I have somewhere to live and then it can be cleaner rather than living under the same roof in uncertainty for the kids.

Don’t know which way to go or how to tell them. I obviously have to do that because it’s me divorcing him.

Advice on this for those that have done it would be appreciated

Thanks

Lana2020 · 10/02/2020 02:46

If you both agree to wait to tell them do you think he will keep his word?
If you think yes then I would wait until firm plans are in place but if you think maybe not I would tell them sooner. You want it to come from both of you not just him.

Lana2020 · 10/02/2020 02:48

Above @OEJ1979

marly11 · 10/02/2020 06:35

@OEJ1979, for what it's worth, in my plan (that doesn't seem to be shifting forward because of DP not actually believing that I mean it that I don't want to be with him), my thoughts are having everything in place and then telling them. Like me, at least one of my DC, is likely to worry about all the uncertainties otherwise. I think for my situation it is more reassuring for them to have as many questions answered as possible. In case that's of help in your thinking... I'm trying to disrupt them as little as is humanly possible. Easier said than done perhaps. But I agree with previous posters that it has to come from both of you, so depends if he can be trusted.

ToBreatheAgain · 10/02/2020 09:15

@OEJ1979 I agree with previous posters, waiting till things are more certain is probably best but only works if your stbxh will stick to it. If he is likely to tell them so he can get in his version of events first then telling them sooner is probably the best option.

I can't imagine how hard it would be having your DH manipulating the kids like that. I could see DH trying to manipule ours in the future. He trys a little already, telling them I'm angry and should stop yelling, when I'm neither. He certainly thinks he's the hard done by victim whose just trying his best. But our kids are little and very definitely prefer me currently. To the extent I worry how the eldest 2 would cope with the times DH would have them if we separated. DH is very impatient and struggles dealing with their SEN. It's all low level snapping and grumpiness, gaslighting, blame shifting and him doing very little while I get sicker and sicker. Nothing that would stop him getting shared custody. Where we live 50/50 is fairly common.

I feel so worthless that I'm this sick, hanging by a thread and DH still won't step up. If a friends husband behaved the way DH does I'd think that reflected poorly on him. If his wife was sick and they had kids with SEN I'd think he was being a jerk. And part of me thinks that about DH, that he's a selfish jerk. But mostly I feel worthless and like it's somehow my fault. That if I was a more deserving person he'd treat me with love and kindness. That's been his refrain the last few years, that it's my fault because I don't give him the enough attention/support/sex. My mind is so messed up over this. I've lost what little self esteem I had, I feel worthless and I have no confidence in my decisions anymore.

Stegasaurusmum · 11/02/2020 11:56

@OEJ1979 it's a horrible situation, I guess depending on their ages and understanding you could start to tell them there might be changes, but that certain things for them won't change, like seeing both of you, having a home, school etc...
He sounds like a nasty piece of work to use the children to punish you, I guess at least you can be sure you're doing the right thing.

I'm really struggling, DH has been highly attentive, kind, making conversation, asking questions, doing everything around the house...I should be pleased but it's just annoying me and making me feel suffocated. He asks me questions and I just feel this annoyance bubbling up. He keeps reaching out to touch me in bed, it makes my skin crawl. It's so involuntary but in my head I'm just saying get off, fuck off, leave me alone.

He left for a work thing for 4 days away yesterday morning and I felt like a weight had lifted. I slept better last night (with a nytol to help) than I have in weeks, just having the bed to myself, not hanging off the edge or waiting for him to try to cuddle me. He's back on Friday, I'm dreading valentines day, he will expect us to make a fuss, I just can't bring myself to. Last year he sent flowers to work, I found it embarrassing but I guess I was pleased in some way. Thinking back I was pleased as I thought OM might see them and react in some way. He's been a presence in my life, either in the background or very much part of it for nearly 7 years, we are NC unless absolutely necessary for work now and it's so hard because I've lost a friend and someone who made me smile, feel happy, feel cared for. It doesn't help that I know he still feels the same about me, but because of circumstances, it could never work. I'm coming to terms with the fact that even if I wasn't with DH in a few years time, we still couldn't give each other what we want.

I've not slept properly in weeks so I've gone to the GP for meds, he's given me a low dose of antidepressants but looking at the side effects massive weight gain is one. I'm really anxious about my weight, one of the good side effects of the last few weeks is losing weight...
But they are meant to help with sleep, so maybe I'll feel better.
I'm seeing a new counsellor today, for 6 weeks, maybe with ADs and counselling, plus a few small challenges I've set myself over the next couple of months like running a half marathon etc I'll be able to reassess how I'm feeling about DH with a bit of a clearer head. I still feel hopeless, like when I think the feeling of revulsion I get when he tries to touch me won't ever go away...I'm going to tell him when he gets back that for the moment, not to try with touching etc, as I think it's doing more harm than good. What I'd really like is a proper break from him, 4 weeks or so... But it's impossible right now, neither of us has anywhere to go.
I think if nothing has changed in 6 months, after Relate, if him making all the effort still, or me feeling like my feelings for OM have lessened, that I'm happier etc, if none of that is changing how I feel in terms of romantically towards him, then it's time to tell him for definite. I have said I don't know if it can change but I'm willing to try. At the moment I'm not being remotely fair to him. But also I need to get through my feelings of guilt, about not pushing us to get help earlier, letting it get to this stage.... He's got to take some of the blame too though, as he stuck his head in the sand, was lazy, withdrew emotionally and let me do everything, both emotionally and practically for the family, to the point where I've built up such resentment. I keep remembering the nights I was crying with sleep deprivation or trying to get two children to sleep on my own whilst he sat downstairs, on his phone. I had to call him on it so many times to ask him to come and help, or to check on DD as he'd just leave her to sort herself out. The times I needed him but he opted to go to work, like going for a scan after a weekend of bleeding and losing a pregnancy, him opting to go to work rather than come with me.
He's a good person, just emotionally very very stunted. We got on before we had kids and when we had projects and things to focus on, like working on the house, or big holidays... But I remember thinking the holidays weren't that fun, as we were spending so long together, and the day to day stuff just left me stressed and tired and overwhelmed.
I look ahead to our lives when the children are grown and think what would we have left, apart from trying to have projects or holidays or things to fill our time...the thought of days stretching ahead, just him and me... Fills me with dread. I care about him, I know his excellent points but he's not been a good dad or husband really and it might have just gone too far. Basically I don't fancy him and haven't in ages but I've buried it to be able to get on, because of the guilt and obligation I've felt, the shared history, family, friends, our house, which I love... I'd have to give a lot of that up plus my children might have a much worse life... All because I can't get over my feelings. And because I fell in love with someone else and once I'd gone there and felt that I just can't go back.

When I think like that I just feel totally overwhelmed and sad and like I can't see a way out. I feel paralysed.

That was a bit of a self indulgent rant!

Somefantasticplace · 11/02/2020 12:37

I've been where you are for a while now @stegasaurusmum and it's soul destroying. Just like you I was looking at the years ahead when the DCs left home and dreading it.

I've now said it's definitely over and I want to divorce when youngest DC goes off to university later this year. I said this the first time over a year ago and was persuaded to try again but in my heart I knew it was over and a complete absence of physical attraction was one of the main signs.

I've now said that I want to tell people what's happening and I think that's made it real for him as he is trying to have lots of long 'where did it go wrong' conversations. Accuses me of being unable to forgive and leave the past behind and he's changed (from being moody, giving silent treatment and never, ever being wrong) but I am too scared that as soon as I committed myself things would go back to the way they were. And the lack of attraction hasn't changed in over a year.

Be strong everyone, if you are like me you probably know deep down what you have to do, you just can't bring yourself to do it. I'm doing it now and it's still hard but I'm absolutely sure it's right.

Stegasaurusmum · 11/02/2020 16:36

@Somefantasticplace the thought of waiting another 15 years or more till my children are older to leave him is awful.

I've just had my first counselling session. It was pretty good, she summed it up as me having had a one night stand that's lasted nearly 20 years.... Because of guilt.

Horrible revelation. Whilst not all of the tears have been unhappy or sad and whilst we've got some wonderful memories and of course beautiful children, in the end that's it.

She also said that the person that leaves always has to take that with them, always has to deal with that, whereas the person who is left just has to deal with that.

So true.

Lots to think about.

Stegasaurusmum · 11/02/2020 16:37

Years, not tears. Although lots of tears too!

CannaeBelieveItsNot · 11/02/2020 17:23

Hi everyone. Just checking in and saying hi. I can see the "being nice" is a common theme and that's interesting because he has been so nice to me recently (well since I last posted about him buying a car without telling me and storming off leaving me in the shopping centre - since then he has been nice.)

I started a new job last week, just a low paid, part time thing. I haven't worked for around 7 years so it's a big step. I wanted to go back to work years ago, and he was not at all supportive with regards to dc, and without going into the full story, I ended up staying home because he was making it so difficult.

He is being supportive now, and I'm finding it so weird. His whole behaviour in general I'm finding weird. He isn't shouting at me all the time. He's being nice. I don't understand it. I just keep waiting for him to crack but so far he has not. It's creeping me out. I got a job because I want to save money to move out. I wonder if he has guessed my plan and the niceness is to try and make me change my mind. I feel like I'm being overly suspicious of his motives but his behaviour is out of character compared to how he's been for years and I don't know what else to think.

I'm sorry I can't find the post now but I think it was @OEJ1979 who said about your h trying to get the kids on his side/make them pick him over you? Just wanted to say in my experience kids aren't stupid and even if at first they believe what their dad says they will eventually see the truth about who the bad guy is. My own dad tried this, but his behaviour was pretty apparent no matter what he said. He couldn't keep the act up, plus we'd all seen how he treated our mum and we all knew the truth. As long as you keep your head on, stay dignified and basically don't do what he's doing. Take the high ground. And again, so sorry if I've got the wrong poster, I really can't find the post I'm referring to!

DishingOutDone · 11/02/2020 22:28

The thought of waiting another 15 years or more till my children are older to leave him is awful - yet that's what I have done and am still doing. My eldest is 18 now and I have known since she was 3 that I needed to leave. Even now I forget how bad its been sometimes, but my daughters remind me - its been worse for them, and they can't forget it or the effect its had on them.

I seem to be reading my life in so many posts here. I've been making serious plans for 2 years now, then my youngest developed severe MH issues so it all sort of went on the back burner. Now she's a little better I have become ill. The problem was I was awaiting an operation - I thought maybe have this op and then tell him finally thats it house on the market etc. So time was ticking on, I'd waited a year and then completely out of the blue went I went for the pre-op tests it showed a growth. At the moment I am awaiting the yay or nay on cancer. I might not be able to have the original operation either way which means my mobility is restricted. Or I might have cancer. Its a huge mess. It means us all staying here in this house where at least we can support each other emotionally (as in me and the kids) and H is around for practicalities like hospital appointments and housework, walking the dog etc.

We are late 50s/early 60s I think there is a very important window for those coming up to 50 wherein if you don't act you can be caught out by a health issue.

A younger friend has recently made the move, done what I wished and wished for, she actually did it. However, she did have other family and simply moved in with them, sold the house, took the DC and the dog and that was that. I'm in awe of her, but she had good health and 10 years on me, plus a family to go to (parents still living and in good health too).

The next thing that is on my cards is younger DD A levels, with the extra pressure on her of MH support needs. Do I keep waiting? Every time I wait, another crisis comes along to get in line. But thats the problem, so many are already lined up. Sad

wellies · 11/02/2020 22:35

At some point I would like to try to join this thread if that's ok. There's a lot to read through, and a cute lot depressive mood means my concentration isn't what it should be so I apologise in advance.

My marriage has been over for several years and yet we occupy the same house and keep up a weird form of pretence when other people are around. He thinks we'll be able to reconcile things - I don't.

DC are 19 and 16.

I am desperate for breathing space. He seems mostly oblivious.

wellies · 11/02/2020 22:39

*current depressive mood

DishingOutDone · 11/02/2020 22:41

Hi Wellies I tend to read what I can when I can, not the whole thread at once! Welcome, and sorry you are here. My DC are almost same ages. My H thinks that his has been an exemplary husband and father so is very confident that he will see out his life in the comfort of this house with the occasional inconvenience of his family being around. He thinks that even though we can't pay the mortgage and he has no plans about how to resolve that - well, that's what he has me for!!

Are you still having to share a bed or have you enough space for own room(s)?

wellies · 11/02/2020 22:55

Thankfully he sleeps in a spare room - on a mattress on the floor because he is convinced it's only temporary (he's been in there for around 4 years!).

I am feeling very isolated.

We also had some severe MH issues with our eldest dc, and although that's mostly better, and they're away at uni in the week, my own MH has taken a large hit.

He buries his head in the sand about all of it.

I am, like many others here it seems, a people pleaser and want to do the right thing and keep up appearances. But I can't help worrying about the sacrifice to myself and my happiness (and I still feel guilty for wanting and needing that...)

SodaSodaBanana · 11/02/2020 23:12

Hello again all. After the positivity over Xmas, new year and new beginnings I started to feel overwhelmed with what I had to do. Anyway not long into Jan he asked for a sizeable loan (always the tip of the iceberg). I said no and now have a renewed sense of urgency.

How do you tell the kids and how much? Mine are mid-primary age. I want to tell them how their dad made bad choices, spent the money we were supposed to be saving for the forever house he promised them. I’m scraping money, fingers crossed I can afford a place for the three of us (with family help) but not their dad. I’m so angry, I want them to know he put himself above them, but I don’t want them to think if they lie, are selfish etc I won’t live them. He may end up homeless - he needs to get to rock bottom - but I’m worried the kids will think I’m heartless.

Idontkowmyname · 12/02/2020 06:05

Hi all. Anyone else dreading Valentine’s Day and the expectation to be all lovey-dovey with their partner? Is it wrong of me to be hoping that he needs to work Friday night?
My sense of what’s acceptable and normal is in turmoil. I get the sense that people would think i was being petty for leaving him but his lack of care and respect constantly chipping away is taking its toll as well as some other controlling behaviour creeping in that he manipulates to be under the guise of caring and wanting to be close.

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SodaSodaBanana · 12/02/2020 06:42

@idontkowmyname yes! He often can’t be bothered with V day but I’m betting this year he’ll at least get a card. I can’t fake it, or be bothered. It’s hurting that the kids will notice if we don’t do cards.

marly11 · 12/02/2020 06:57

I agree re Valentine's Day. It's felt a farce for a few years and I have taken to finding cards that 'don't say much' for the last couple, knowing in my heart I was thankful for very little in the relationship and romance was dead. The DC have both asked what am I doing for daddy on valentines day and I just muttered something about 'we're a bit old for that now' like some kind of Grinch. I'm definitely not buying a card or anything since DP still ignoring that I have told him we have no future. He on best behaviour probably will get card and even maybe flowers... as part of 'project nice'. After all my positivity in the new year I'm in a constant state of anxiety now that he is just going to refuse to move out and accept I want us finished. We are not married so how to therefore actually insist I mean it...it's not like I can 'file for divorce'?

SodaSodaBanana · 12/02/2020 07:08

Are you financially tied? Mortgage etc? Can you push for sole ownership or a sale?