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Support thread-trapped in an unhappy relationship and can’t leave/can’t leave yet

899 replies

Idontkowmyname · 18/12/2019 22:14

I thought I might start a thread to help those of us trapped in unhappy relationships over the stressful Xmas/New Year period. Have a moan, have a rant, debrief and hopefully feel less isolated/alone when it appears everyone else is playing happy families.
Ironically saw something on Facebook which said stop comparing your outtakes to everyone else’s highlight reels which I thought was quite apt given the time of year.

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ByeByeMissAmericanPie · 10/01/2020 08:17

@OEJ1979 Do one thing a week if necessary. Baby steps...

I had a very wise counsellor who has now sadly retired.

She said that Hope is a dangerous thing to have. Every time things get better, you latch onto it, and hope things will improve. Except they don’t.

I trundle on through life ignoring a lot of it, until he treats me with impatience, unkindness and a lack of respect, and then the red mist descends and I could take my car keys and exit the house.

That’s what Hope does to me. (Grrrrr.)

OEJ1979 · 10/01/2020 09:04

You right. It is dangerous.
He is his normally over the top self round the house. But has managed to change bed sheets and is now tidying his room. Picking up after himself...all things I’ve asked for for 20 years.
Sound for pathetic when you read it like that.
I just know after what he has said and done I can no longer give him the emotional needs he wants to be happy. I have two kids and myself. That will do me!

ToBreatheAgain · 10/01/2020 10:24

@ByeByeMissAmericanPie She said that Hope is a dangerous thing to have. Every time things get better, you latch onto it, and hope things will improve. Except they don’t

That's me. Ive been clinging to hope for far too long. Every tiny nice thing he does, my heart thinks what if this is it, things getting better....

PressToChange · 10/01/2020 15:15

So sorry to hear what you've been going through SeekingFreedom. How just plain idiotic is that statement that it's not him it's his d/(k.

ByeByeMussAmericanPie I definitely just want out. I'm slowly coming to realise that no time is a good time. And thank you for making the point sooner rather than later for the sake of the DC, I am spending a lot of time worrying about them when we split but really I should be thinking about now.

OEJ1979 that's exactly what mine has already started to do. Washing his bedding. Actually washing himself. So much so one of the dcs said have you got a meeting? No, I've just decided to change he says.... How long will it last though. On Saturday my H said he was going to put rubbish in the bin. Currently if he prepares food etc just leaves onion skins, plastic packets etc all over the worktops. The children noticed and asked was going on. He said he was turning a new leaf. On Monday morning no2 dc stomped through the kitchen, eyeing the crap every where and was saying yeah, turning a new leaf is he!!

I think I'm actually struggling to understand the abuse in my household. I thought I'd got the measure of it but I'm actually a little shocked at the strength of everyone's responses. I think I'm too used to it to know how bad it sounds. I mean I know it has been bad but I'm having a period of readjustment if my views. I'm tempted to say oh there's no violence now. It was just this time, it was just that time. Because I'm not living in fear daily but I do wonder if I'm conditioned to be away that doesn't need violence.
I think I'm scared of phoning women's aid or the freedom program as it will be a big confirmation of whAt I know. But even more hard hitting if you know what I mean.

seekingfreedom · 10/01/2020 16:04

@Idontkowmyname this is the first time ive really opened up to people, why is it easier to strangers than people you know! I think my mum would support me but she is grieving for my dad right now and is struggling. I do not really have any close friends but at the end of the day, I have to do this on my own. I wish I could just disappear.

@PressToChange totally, he is such an idiot. It has took me nearly 6 months to contact womans aid, I contacted them on their chat function on Monday and they confirmed what i knew and gave me many numbers and websites that are in my local area. I still do not think I could pick up the phone so I was very please to get through on their chat (i tried a number of times). I have not contacted anyone in my local area yet but at least i have the information.

I really struggling with how to leave/how to tell him. He will play the 'dont leave me card' and blame me for my lack of interest in sex. I am just going to have to tell him one evening/blurt it out. I have already written a letter explaining why i want to leave him. I think I will tell him I want out and use the letter as a guide as to why and eventually leave the letter with him so he can read over it after i have left.
Thats another thing, do I leave? I was planning on going away for the weekend, just me and my young son to get some space. Or do I stay and let him (try to) talk me into giving it another go? The atmosphere will be awful though. Everything is so confusing.

I cant leave the home and live elsewhere straight away anyway as I work from home with systems installed here. Ideally he would leave. If not I would have to find somewhere to live and take unpaid leave until I am up and running in a new property - this will cost alot more due to rent/bills/deposits/move cost plus I will have to pay work to have a new line installed in the new property.

arghhh! to much to think about but I know all this pain will be worth it in the end.

ToBreatheAgain · 10/01/2020 21:44

@seekingfreedom *
I really struggling with how to leave/how to tell him. He will play the 'dont leave me card' and blame me for my lack of interest in sex. I am just going to have to tell him one evening/blurt it out. I have already written a letter explaining why i want to leave him. I think I will tell him I want out and use the letter as a guide as to why and eventually leave the letter with him so he can read over it after i have left.*

My H is the same. Will blame me because we never have sex now. Ignoring the reasons why we don't. If we had sex he'd be so much nicer Hmm. Don't fall into the trap I have of trying to justify it too much and giving him ammunition and a way to get you to stay longer. I really regret giving in to that hope. Next time when I'm ready it's going to be short and to the point. H will never agree with my reasons for wanting to separate because he views himself as the victim here and everything he's done is justifiable because he doesn't get what he 'needs'. You don't need to justify leaving, it doesn't have to be bad enough. I'd stick to something bland and factual. Making it clear that no matter what he promises you can't do it anymore. I've got a very short letter, if he wants it. It just sets out two points that are deal breakers for me. I could list multitudes but whats the point, he's shown he's incapable of understanding my point of view. If he wasn't we wouldn't be in this mess.

marly11 · 10/01/2020 21:50

Long time lurker here. Thank you so much all of you for keeping me sane over the Christmas period and sorry there's so many of us having a difficult time. Here, we've had joint counselling for 5 months and no change for me in being able to feel there is any future with DP ...but like many of you I'm paralysed by my fear of the consequences for the DC. No affair or abuse, but I can't feel anything for DP after 13 years now (last 3-4 I really haven't been happy) apart from frustration in so many areas of life and the feeling that all decision making, moving forward and financial security is on me. It's not what I want. In my mind Have had a break from the counselling over Xmas and now really can't face going back. Not do I want to throw any more money down that particular drain. Too much navel gazing and analysing our respective pasts for me, which I don't think has either moved us forward or is actually even helping me personally. I've decided to wait it out until the Spring to be able to leave and after DS1s major exams - hope I have the strength to do it - so the counselling between now and then just feels like a waste of time and a lot of money since I don't feel I can say the truth about what I want. But to say this weekend I don't want to go the the counselling next week will be a major issue for DP who almost seems to relish the attention of the sessions and will perceive this as a clear sign of me saying I'm no longer prepared to put in any effort - so I'm worried this will escalate my decision making before all my ducks are in a row. Also I've been worrying for ages that if I contribute to this thread - as I've wanted to many times recently- then DP may find it. If I hide it,
it will still show up in 'my watched' and 'threads I'm on' wont it, if he looks at my phone? If I change my phone password no doubt that will suggest I'm up to much worse!!

PressToChange · 10/01/2020 22:42

Marly11 Hello!! I do know what you mean about being on here and being worried. My h doesn't know my password (so I think I'm ok but actually who knows) but when I post on here I go on my phone 4g and not household wifi as he has administrator login on the wifi boosters etc. So quite honestly I have no clue whether he can see what I've searched if I'm on the Internet at home.

Ten years ago we went to couples counselling.
He told me really directly "When you go you know you need to tell them everything." Because all our problems were quite obviously my fault...
I thought and said "yes I know". And was quite prepared to say how shit it wS. However I do believe my H is a narcissist and if you read anything about them it does suggest that you shouldn't do couples counselling with a narcissist because they are too in touch with their emotions. It's all about them and sure enough it was.

That's how it was for me. He talked about his depression as a child when his mum had a nervous breakdown after her dad died. All sympathy and empathy was directed to him.....
All behaviour was excused..... but really it was like a smoke screen hovering above what the real situation was. Him being an abusive prick.
Anyway, the councillor at the time sometime recommended individual session. Could you try that? I'm having individual counselling now and it's an eye opener. Could you suggest individual counselling so you can both grow individually but it would give you time to get organised.

ByeByeMissAmericanPie · 10/01/2020 22:57

Hi Marley. Do you access MN via the app on yr phone? Can you delete the app, and sign in and out of the MN site via Safari every time you use it? I’m a 50+ Luddite so maybe someone else can make a better suggestion!

If he asks why you’re not (appearing to be) on MN, tell him you’re fed up with all the tosh on it these days. Or similar.

We had Relate counselling for about 5 months. The male counsellor and DH almost seemed to side with each other! I used to get palpitations just thinking about it. I called a break in the proceedings and suggested we had some time out of counselling to see if we could find our ‘own way ‘. Counsellor and DH agreed. And we’ve not been back. Wild horses wouldn’t drag me...

Could you do some 1-2-1 counselling?

ByeByeMissAmericanPie · 10/01/2020 23:03

Arf at your couples counselling @PressToChange.

Sounds just like ours. I was painted to be some slightly hysterical menopausal woman despite telling the therapist I felt frightened and unsafe in DHs company. I told him those words 3 weeks in a row. He had us bitching over every misdemeanour we’d each done that week.

Bluewater1 · 10/01/2020 23:05

Am considering leaving my DP, we don't live together but I still am finding it hard to actually decide to properly leave. I can't talk to him about anything negative about him, he sulks, he argues, he brings up things I am supposed to have done wrong, he never backs down or owns any of the things I am upset about and is adamant that we should not discuss anything potentially negative or upsetting but just keep things light. He never apologises, I always end up apologising even if the argument is about something he has done. He twists everything round to be my fault.
It should be so easy to leave this relationship and not return to it.....so why am I finding it so hard....?

ByeByeMissAmericanPie · 11/01/2020 08:42

Welcome Bluewater!
You’re in good company. If my H wasn’t already married to me, you could be talking about the same man!
It’s good that you don’t live together...are there children involved?

Sheddingskins · 11/01/2020 09:35

@OEJ1979 I agree with @PressToChange on the value of individual counselling. I went to see a therapist for the first time last January. Through years of family illness and grief, losing several loved ones, I never seemed to need it. But I had a sort of light bulb moment and just knew that I wanted to get strong enough to finally act on my need to end my relationship with H. I needed help to deal with the fear and tbh she was amazing. Also offered deep relaxation/hypnotherapy which was a revelation to me, and has awoken an interest in other alternative therapies and mindfulness. Would highly recommend it. I go back now as and when for a top up. It's like a tonic for the mind/soul.

@marly11 welcome! Couples counselling did not work for us. But by then I had already made my decision and it made me feel like a fraud. The individual counselling beforehand gave me the strength to hold on until after the exams were finished. It was a very stressful six months in limbo but it was the right decision for me and DS.

@Bluewater1 sorry to hear you are in the same boat and welcome. I think lots of things hold us back. I always thought I could make it right somehow, but then realised finally that the way we were communicating and treating each other was just wrong. I was so unhappy and he was so angry all the time. He was a master sulker too. So exhausting to be forced to battle on in spite of that negativity. It took its toll on the kids as well.

Hope this weekend is gentler on everyone here x

BellaBicycle · 11/01/2020 09:43

@Bluewater1
That is classic emotional abuse. Google Lundy Bancroft emotional abuse. He sounds like my dh who will also say if I keep wanting to bring up things he’s done that I’m crazy and need to see a dr because normal people wouldn’t behave like that.
Does your dh think you should still have sex with him even though he’s treating you badly? My dh has long wanted to send me to a sex therapist telling me there’s something wrong with me because I withdraw after his outburst- which he pretends never happened.
I have 3 dc and he’s been vile to me in all three pregnancies, verbal abuse, swearing, shouting, financial control, refused to take me to hospital when I had complications and swore at me, did eventually take me, once it suited him, her drive like a maniac, swearing at me the whole way, calling me the C word, we walk into hospital he’s stroking my back trying to hold my hand in front of the Drs/nurses as if nothing happened.
I have told him it’s over, separate rooms for 2 years, counselling didn’t help, because it doesn’t with abuse. He refuses to accept its over, I need 6 months to get stable money wise, House is on the market. Ring is off my finger!
He still asks me to try and like him and try to sleep with him even though I don’t feel like it, because he things that’s the cause of how I feel, does not understand that his abuse has killed my love, and I cannot trust him or be near him.

PressToChange · 11/01/2020 22:49

Well today has got quite interesting and not in a good way. I've had dc1, 16 on a day trip to do with school so four hours round trip.

On the way back she talked about funding for Uni, maintainence loans etc. So I told her that you know that by the time you're at Uni you know that I will be separated from Daddy so we are looking at low wage and benefits. I've spoken to her before so that wasn't a surprise.

This sparked quite a massive revelation as she said can you just get on and do it. We're all been waiting for something to happen for a year and nothing has. It's just confusing.

I said how/why because I've not really told anyone what's happening.she said yes but Daddy has. He's always going on about you're going to divorce him. He's saying he's turning a new leaf so you don't split up the family. He says it all our fault for being ungrateful and disrespectful.

I cannot believe it but This is what he does! He behaves so differently and badly around them when I'm not around. Then I find out as an after thought after the event. If I find out at all.

I tried to explain it's not black and white. Legal stuff has to be decided. . Living arrangements. Money. I said he'll ask you to live with him. She got quite upset and said that she couldn't say it to him but she could say it to a court that she didn't want to live with him.

We then talked about living arrangements and she thinks that if they don't agree to live with him, he'll go off somewhere and live without them and not see them. I asked whether that was adult behaviour. It's really interesting to hear that she thinks he'd do that because I've always thought he'd fight me. I still do but her statement has made me wonder.

What the actual f()£j though!!!! I'm so bloody angry.

I told her that yes you are all very trying (x4 dc & three of them are early teens will be!) but that's your job. That's what you have to do and behave at the ages you are. It's blooming draining and can make me sad or disappointed but the only person that has spoilt the marriage is your father.
I said that normally in these situations the adults have adult conversations and make a plan. Then they tell the children in a way that reassures them.

She said that he keeps going on about it (which I've mentioned before) but I don't think I'd understood the extent of it or how much he had blamed the children to their faces!!!

I had a long chat about control. Told her gently about abusive relationships and how a good relationship is a partnership. Not being told what to do. Told her how he had said that we don't need a joint bank account but had since sept stopped me accessing his, which was the agreed norm. Which is financial control. I used examples of how he'd gone ahead and bought major things without discussion. How recently he'd sold a large asset without telling me and the money had gone into his account. Probably 3 or 4 thousand. I can't cram a 2 hour conversation in here but you can get the gist!!

Please be assured that she is a very intelligent 16 year old and this was said in a very basic, kind and non inflammatory way. I do not want to scar my children or bad mouth their father.

So if I wasn't completely resolute before I am now.

Anyway, today while out I texted about evening meal, would we be back at 6pm etc. Said yes to plans but make sure you feed the children at the right time, I'll eat later. Got home at 6. He's out at the supermarket buying food for dinner. Youngest is 7 and evening meal for dc is usually 5:30. Dinner isn't likely now until 7-7:40 at best.

(I'm so fu£king sick of sending text reminders to feed the children when I'm out or away. He's only had children for over 16 years, you'd like to think he'd got it by now...

Within minutes of me getting home youngest had lost his temper. He's awful without food just like no 2 dc. H stomps off as part way through tantrum I highlight why youngest is vile - he's hangry

Fast forward to bed for youngest. We have sloping roof in bathroom. H bumps his head. I have done this before on my eye socket and yes it bloody hurts. He went down like a tonne of bricks shaking, gagging, grunting. All whilst youngest is getting off the toilet. I completely ignore and brush voungest's teeth telling him Daddy is fine. During teeth brushing H gets up and goes into his bedroom slamming the door.
As I'm reading the bedtime story H comes in, clearly waiting for me to leave. I say - say good night to daddy so I can finish the story. He glares at me. While this is going on I'm looking at his face for red marks or bruising after his dramatic performance in the bathroom. Nothing. He says goodnight and goes down.
What an utter prick.
This is just an example of my life on one day.

I knew I needed to do the divorce, I was ready to do this. Squared my shoulders and was ready but doing it the steady steady, slowly way, get advice etc. but now I think I am psyched and ready for war. I hate hate hate him.

So instead of prevaricating I have ordered my safe. It should be delivered on Wednesday. To work. On Monday I WILL rather than I might contact Women's Aid. I will get their advice and then I'll contact a solicitor. I will file divorce papers because this cannot go on a moment longer.

Sorry if this is a bit verbal vomit on a page but I was just getting it down quickly. So much was said in the car I couldn't get it all.

Is there anyone at all that thinks he is displaying normal behaviour.

OEJ1979 · 11/01/2020 23:43

@PressToChange no it’s normal normal behaviour. To be honest it sounds like he is totally done also.
He just wants you to file so you can be to blame.
At the end of the day it’s doesn’t say who filed or who did what. It’s just says divorced.

It sounds like you dc is very with it and can see exactly what is going on. By her age I assume she is going into exams? I would for her benefit go for it.

If you hate hate hate him don’t prolong yours or the children’s agony.

Sending many hugs to you.

OEJ1979 · 11/01/2020 23:44

Typo.... NOT normal!!!!

OEJ1979 · 12/01/2020 00:03

Following on from you @PressToChange....

A draining week here.
Every time I have my head clear he fucks with it again.
I finally told him to stop kissing me and hugging me (he way of showing he loves me in front of kids and it’s me being nasty). I know some of you are desperate for this but constant and stop what you’re doing now so I can hug you for 10 minutes (even if it’s dishing up dinner) is draining.

He went mad! That’s what he needs. I said I don’t have it to give constantly anymore. Nor do I want to be treated as a possession.

He then started again Friday morning. Can’t even recall how it started but resulted in him asking if wanted to be his wife still.
I really am scared I don’t was my reply. As I walked out sobbing.

And again Friday night. About the kids this time. He will burn all our money if I don’t give him 50/50.

Every single one of these rows are either orchestrated in front of kids or as I’m about to go out and result in me feeling bad.

Am I over reacting?
Can I just forget?

This evening again another comment in front of dd. Why won’t I sit downstairs and watch tv with him.

Ermmm...because you always end up having a pop at me and I don’t want to. He got the hump and stormed off.

When I think clearly and logically it’s easy
My body will be mine again
I will be able to have my own opinions
I can teach my kids proper manners
Eventually I will get their behaviours out of dc
All sound so trivial.
So why does he make me question my judgement after a deep conversation or a row?!

Some one make me hate him. He would make life so much easier

GachaBread · 12/01/2020 00:04

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ToBreatheAgain · 12/01/2020 00:18

Hugs @PressToChange. What a prick. Sounds like your DD is more mature then him. We're here cheering you on.

Sheddingskins · 12/01/2020 00:25

@OEJ1979 I was getting those types of comments in front of the DC and it made me hit the roof. After all my placating and trying to shield them, he would make me out to be the villain. You are not overreacting. No way
Just done.
@PressToChange no not normal at all, save in toxic control-based relationships. H would get shedded and injure himself on the way home, come back in having assumed his drunken stupidity cloak in the early hours of the morning and then throw a tantrum when I wasn't sympathetic enough about his self inflicted wounds. It always happened when I had an important work meeting or seminar to present early the next day, and just wanted desperately to sleep. He wouldn't leave me alone and would push all my buttons. Drove me nuts.
You are both being so so brave. Things are moving on, things are being voiced. It's the only way forward and certainty is just around the corner. Hang in there.

Bluewater1 · 12/01/2020 00:30

@ByeByeMissAmericanPie no I have children but not with DP
@Sheddingskins yes, exactly that, I am an optimistic person and I keep thinking things will improve.....
@BellaBicycle no, to be honest the first thing he does when he's annoyed with me is withhold affection and any form of intimacy....so sorry for what you have been through Flowers

ByeByeMissAmericanPie · 12/01/2020 08:20

There has been talk of The Grey Rock technique which is when you just.don’t.respond. Or reply that you’ll discuss this later. And repeat.

That might buy you some time and take the arguments away from being in front of the kids.

Just a thought as a temporary solution.

YommyMommy · 12/01/2020 08:57

Hi ladies,

Hoping I can join in and get some advice.

I have been slowly falling out of love with my hubby for the past few years. He doesn't treat me badly, but doesn't treat me that well either. Speaks to me like crap a lot, critical of a lot of things I do. Never compliments me on anything unless it's sexual related ie, nice butt of oh you look good naked. I haven't felt loved by him for a while and thought he had given up, so I gave up too. We are terrible at communicating with each other and don't have much in common other than our dc and even at that we have different views on parenting. However, in saying all that he isn't a bad person.

At Christmas I told him it was over, it just all came to a head. Problem is he doesn't feel the same and can't understand why I would want to leave. He is begging me to stay and give us a chance, but I want a break 🙁 he is telling me he deserves a chance to prove himself after 19 years ogether. I am destroying our family. I am leaving him when he needs me. I'm hurting the kids, etc.

I feel trapped. I have agreed to stay at home til the end of Feb, but he wants me to move back into our bed and at least try to have sex and just act normal 😒 I just don't want to. I have told him the only reason I am staying is because he has asked. I feel like if I act happy around him it gives him hope that I want to stay.

Sorry for the big rant. Just needed to get that all of my chest. What will I do???

BellaBicycle · 12/01/2020 09:29

@YommyMommy

If you don’t feel like having sex with him then don’t. If he continues to ask you to knowing how you feel, he’s pressuring you, and telling you your feelings don’t matter, and his matter more. He is being emotionally abusive. He obviously can’t see having sex is not the solution, but him listening, understanding your feelings, and supporting them is the solution.

Being married or in a relationship does not entitle anyone access to the other persons body whenever they feel like it.

Does he get angry with you when you say you do t feel like it?

Broken record “I’m sorry it’s just how I feel”
Ask him “do you think it’s okay to make someone have sex with when they really don’t feel like it, isn’t that abusive?”