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Support thread-trapped in an unhappy relationship and can’t leave/can’t leave yet

899 replies

Idontkowmyname · 18/12/2019 22:14

I thought I might start a thread to help those of us trapped in unhappy relationships over the stressful Xmas/New Year period. Have a moan, have a rant, debrief and hopefully feel less isolated/alone when it appears everyone else is playing happy families.
Ironically saw something on Facebook which said stop comparing your outtakes to everyone else’s highlight reels which I thought was quite apt given the time of year.

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ToBreatheAgain · 01/01/2020 04:01

Anyone ever write down some of the stuff they do and read it back and think if it was someone else writing what was going on you'd just be telling them to leave no matter the cost? Or is that just my messed up relationship? When I see it written down, I feel complete conviction that something big has to change or I have to get out, but then when I talk to him I end up feeling like the bad guy or like I'm exaggerating or misinterpreting him and it's all my fault. It's obvious when I write it all down that he's never going to change, but I still keep trying to talk to him, expecting logic. No matter what he does I still feel guilt at the idea of hurting him by breaking up our family, by him seeing the kids less.
It's almost like I need him to validate my reasons for wanting to leave, I want him to understand how bad its been for me. That's seriously messed up isn't it?

Everythingnotsaved · 01/01/2020 05:47

Hi, can I join this thread please! Bit late to the party but I have found my people! In a really unhappy relationship that I feel totally trapped in & have had a crap Xmas as a result. Lead separate lives mostly now 😰

Sametimenextyear · 01/01/2020 07:06

@ToBreatheAgain
Nope it's not only you....I could have written your last post.
Exactly.
Mine would charm...& always had an excuse or reason....one that would leave me feeling guilty for not considering his unfortunate position.
Cue confusion
Cue anger ( me)
Cue another useless conversation
Rinse & repeat.

Hi all... Popping back in to see how everyone's going.

Mine had mostly moved out....
I could be wrong...I think my sanity is returning.Grin

Sametimenextyear · 01/01/2020 07:07

Has

PressToChange · 01/01/2020 08:13

@tobreatheagain I do write down the rows/weird stuff he does because the next morning it's like - did that really happen? So I'll look, read and know yep it really did. For example he told me to leave. "If you want to leave the marriage you leave the house." I left to do exercise as planned and told him I wouldn't be the one leaving. Got back and he'd made a meal, poured me some wine. When challenged he said he was just saying I should go out so he could go and read ds a story which is completely not what happened.
I have written it all down and do read it. I definitely would have told my daughter to leave years ago and ask her how many chances can you give this guy.
Silly really but I also wanted it all written down somewhere because although he is ok now mentally, I am slightly fearful that he might snap out of the blue and become dangerous. After the dv incident last year he had his depression meds upped by 50%. I don't feel under threat day to day at all but there is that little niggle there and I wonder is it just under the surface.

SodaSodaBanana · 01/01/2020 08:18

@ToBreatheAgain I think everyone feels that guilt. But, with those conversations you’ve tried - that’s all you can do. His behaviour makes you sad and anxious and uses up the energy you could be using on your kids or yourself. HE’S NOT BEING FAIR TO YOUR FAMILY.

I needed to change my mindset. Instead of breaking up our family, I’m doing what’s best for us. We will have stability, no more broken promises and I will not be anxious or stressed over things I cannot control.

ToBreatheAgain · 01/01/2020 11:26

I know logically it's whats best for me and the kids. But it's so hard to hold onto that conviction after everything.

Salad01 · 01/01/2020 17:00

People stay together or separate for all sorts of reasons everyone has different standards of what they will put up with .At the end of the day if your utterly miserable can the situation get much worse least if you can leave you have a chance of making a life on your own or meeting someone else.

Sheddingskins · 01/01/2020 21:48

I totally agree @Salad01. Only you will know when enough is enough and everyone had different limits and personal.circumstances. @ToBreatheAgain, I realised it had to change when I found myself sitting at the breakfast bar on a Sunday afternoon trying to talk normally to the kids while peeling veg and the tears would not stop rolling from the corners of my eyes. I didn't feel upset, not about anything specific, just numb and utterly hopeless. But it was plain to me that if I went on any longer with the status quo, I would not be able to stay afloat and be any help to the kids. That was January 2019. I saw a therapist for the first time ever four days later. She was a lifesaver.
Hi @Everythingnotsaved. I know that feeling very well. Am still trying to untangle things six months after telling him I needed to part, but you will get there.

Norwegianleatherindustry · 01/01/2020 23:34

Please may I be included. I'm absolutely desperate to leave DH. It always gets very, very much worse at holiday periods.

Idontkowmyname · 01/01/2020 23:46

@Norweiganleatherindustry sadly it gets worse for lots of us over the holiday period. Are you in an abusive relationship or are things just more tense over the break?

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Salad01 · 02/01/2020 01:37

@sheddingskins if your that unhappy you need to start planning for your own future even if it's just a college course job whatever or even trying to leave love xx

ToBreatheAgain · 02/01/2020 02:52

@Sheddingskins I know it has to end. Unfortunately I need to stabalise my health first. I'm hoping I can tell him in 6 months. I don't think we'll last any longer without another big fight anyway and then I expect it'll all come tumbling out. I hope you've been able to make some progress since telling him.

DreadFull · 02/01/2020 07:42

I feel totally broken today. The atmosphere at home is horrible, we didn't even wish each other happy new year. I have never felt so low.
I don't know what to do, but living like this is not an option. 26 years is a big thing to just throw away, and I stand to lose so much. So annoyed at myself for being in this position, reliant and trapped.
Still putting off the separating conversation. I have no idea how he is going to react, I'm hoping it will be relief and we can sort things out nicely. That's probably unlikely though :(

Sheddingskins · 02/01/2020 08:07

Hi @Salad01, thank you. I was very unhappy indeed. But I did manage to make the break in early November after an awful year of telling H, telling the kids, and battling to move things forward inch by inch.
Now trying to navigate the 'nesting' parenting we have agreed to try and dealing with H who is in denial. I can so relate to everyone's anxiety on here.

Sheddingskins · 02/01/2020 12:32

@ToBreatheAgain I think having time frame in mind is really helpful. If you focus on your health first, and give yourself that six months you will be stronger and able to bring things into focus. I spent six months working on my mental health and had rehearsed the separation conversation with a counsellor as part of that process. It's hard treading water, but I knew I needed to be strong enough to deal with the fallout. My mate suggested only dealing with one or two things at any one time and not thinking beyond those. Once they were ticked off, then she would say 'right, you have done x and y so what are the next two goals', and so on. We can't contemplate all the variables at once, or at least I couldn't. Hang in there.

Sw05 · 02/01/2020 18:46

I’m a husband in a Marriage coming upto it’s 15th year. The last 4 have been the loneliest of my entire life. Spent New Year’s Eve alone upset while wife went to bed early(she didn’t know I was upset). Feel like a tenant than a husband feel so low and wonder if anyone would actually miss me if I wasn’t here

Idontkowmyname · 02/01/2020 19:11

@Sw05 apologies if I’ve misinterpreted your post but are you safe? Sorry to hear you spent nye on your own. Do you have people irl you can connect with so you don’t feel so alone?

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SoTiredTonight · 02/01/2020 19:59

That sounds desperately sad @Sw05. Are there DCs or any family/friends or is it just you and your wife? Like Idontknow said, hope you have some support IRL but your post sounded like you might not?

Mollychambers · 02/01/2020 21:53

Hi all can I join please? I told my DH after Christmas that I wanted us to separate. I thought he had realised how are just house mates now and this is not a great way to
live but he was floored. He spent the next day in tears saying all he wanted was me and the kids (6 and 8) and that he could never ever be in his own. He’d never agree to sell the house (despite me suggesting we could buy two smaller houses close by each other so he could see the kids every night). I have no intention of taking his kids away but he’s terrified of not seeing them all the time. I have no ill towards him just don’t want to be with him anymore.

After that I realised I’m completely trapped and I’ve agreed to stay but I’m regretting already and it’s only been a few days.

Mentally I’d already moved on. To find the future is 10 more years of this is heart breaking. I’m 50 so will be 60 when I can finally leave. I feel my life is completely over. Been trying to think of creative ways to separate but just can’t think of any.

Sorry long post - just need to get it off my chest!!!

Idontkowmyname · 02/01/2020 21:54

Safe but so over it! Sick of being stuck married to a manchild. Shit hit the fan over teethbrushing with one of the dc, said he was going to refuse to brush them from now on and let them rot. Stuck up for dc and he stormed off to bed. Even dc described it as dad has gone in a strop off to bed.
He was trying to provoke me into an argument earlier and I just ignored him so no doubt he didn’t like the fact that I didn’t react earlier.its no one thing, it’s all just coming together at the moment and really getting to me.

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Sw05 · 02/01/2020 23:26

Tbh no I gave up everything to be with my wife, I do love her so much and have told her how lonely I feel, she says she loves me and wants the Marridge to work but words are just words and there’s nothing else. I’ve thought about if I was gone then she would be happy and would not miss me at all. I’ve thought at times I hope I never wake up

WarmthAndDepth · 03/01/2020 01:42

Urgh. Feeling frustrated and trapped. DP's MH is incompatible with family life. He was always prone to anxiety and depression, but since the DC he's definitely been not waving but drowning. His anxiety subtly defines our lives, despite therapy and medication; it's never not a factor in pretty much everything we do. I feel so guilty for wanting out. But I can see it so clearly.
I have just come back from taking the DC across the country to see his parents, as he couldn't face going and it's been quite a while. He was really looking forward to time alone after feeling overwhelmed by us all being at home over Christmas. Yet while we were gone, he was anxious and nervous at home alone. I decided to come home a day early (always scared he might do something stupid after a serious attempt some years ago), and he was thrilled to bits when we got back, for all of 15 minutes, when the DCs' excited prattling on about their trip became overwhelming and he sloped off to curl up in a dark room.
Stuff, which for me, is complete 'non-things' are really important to him, such as the order in which dishes are dried and put away, or jars organised in the fridge, and if he sees me flout his 'preferences' there'll be a sort of crushed whimper and he'll pad upstairs to bed without a word, irrespective of plans we may have made or timescales to keep. I rarely plan anything in advance as don't know how he'll be, and only invite friends or DC's friends over when he's at work, as I imagine it's just too weird for many people. He doesn't get it, saying he isn't 'doing' anything, but can't see that, for most people, an adult who is breaking all social conventions by not responding to polite conversation or leaving the room mid-sentence, is disconcerting.
There's no telling 100% if it's going to be a good or bad day, or when a breaking point is approaching until it's too late. He'll have days and weeks of managing to participate in family life in a relaxed way (although much of this will be due to me strategising to keep stressful situations to a minimum) only to crumple irrevocably into overwhelm, leaving me feeling massively guilty, like I could have prevented it somehow. This is how I got into difficulty during maternity leave, as indicated upthread in response to Karigan 's post; I just couldn't face asking for us to sort out the money as he would go into a terrified tailspin about it and collapse, leaving me to manage even more on my own. So best to just suck it up. All the time.
When we have conversations about the future I want to pull my hair out; he will acknowledge that his MH is placing a huge strain on our relationship and on our family life. Eggshells, etc. In the past, we explored the idea of counselling, and spent ages trying to find someone with the prerequisite experience, only for him to decide none were quite right (massive trust issues and lots of experience of therapy, so feels 'qualified' to sort wheat from chaff), including one counsellor whom he met preliminary and decided to write off after said counsellor revealed a 'bias' when suggesting life might be hard for me. We have indefinitely parked counselling, but he will occasionally say stuff like "Well, I still think we lost our chance when we decided not to pursue counselling." Aaargh, that wasn't my decision, I gave up in the face of his obstructions.
Since I have been gently suggesting that, on balance, we might be able to live more happily separately, citing that the DC are becoming old enough to notice him slinking off to his room, or creeping out of the house without saying goodbye, or becoming disengaged and unresponsive or just sitting staring into space with tears in his eyes, and that this is really worrying for them, because they don't know whether it was something they did that caused it, he concedes that this is true, but finds it impossible to engage with me in a meaningful conversation about how to practically bring this about, doing the whole 'shame to break up the family' thing. I try to convey that the family is nothing if those in it are not happy and relaxed, but he has a big blind spot around this, saying we should be grateful for what we have, which of course has some merit, but again, none of our modest accomplishments are worth anything if we are not able to live and express ourselves freely without worrying about being 'too much' all the time.
I really think he would struggle so much if we were to separate, but I know I am at capacity for keeping our lives on an even keel. I feel like such a cow, but must champion the DC. Although, would I say that if he had cancer, or some other physically debilitating ailment? My mind is perpetually turning circles. Exhausting.

Sw05 · 03/01/2020 07:00

Your husband sounds like he is desperate for some help and support from somebody as clearly your not the person to be giving it to him. MH is a very painful thing to deal with imagine what it’s like to ACTUALLY be suffering with it daily instead of playing the victim. Remember your vows??? In sickness and in health?? It’s such a shame these days that people forget about them and want out at the slightest thing instead of fighting for what they have.

ToBreatheAgain · 03/01/2020 08:21

@Sw05 this is a support thread. That post was really unkind. The partners and families of those who are badly effected by MH issues have to cope with a lot too, it can become overwhelming.

It's ok to say your partners MH issues are too much, especially when they're effecting your children. It's not playing the victim to say that your partners MH issues are effecting your own or your kids mental health. I know how hard it is to have anxiety and depression, but MH issues aren't a free pass. Having a mental illness doesn't magically reduce the negative impact of your behaviour on your loved one's.

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