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SIL and her Dog hijack Christmas

262 replies

Ventatron · 17/12/2019 09:20

Okay this is partly a vent, but also a 'what the hell do I do next'? question. Xmas Confused

My SIL is single, and childless and doesn't have any close friends. Last year she decided to buy a retriever puppy which as you can imagine, means the world to her. She brought it with her to stay over last Christmas. It was about 6 months old when it came and understandably, very puppy like, but my SIL imposed all these rules on us, in our own house about what we could and couldn't do - because of the puppy. We had to talk quietly, kids mustn't run, nobody was allowed to eat chocolate in case the dog got it, toys must be off the floor, we weren't allowed to sit on the floor because we must remain 'above the dog - all this at Christmas. She also wanted to sleep in the living room on the sofa with the dog because the dog doesn't 'do' stairs and when the kids came in a 6am to open presents she put the blanket over her head and asked when we would be finished.
Now the dog is twice the size and if you sit down on the couch, he sticks his nose in your face, and as she doesn't put him in his bed or wherever while we eat dinner he breathes on you while you're eating. He's always under foot, always restless and bored - poor thing - and he has a very loud and unpredictable bark. So this year, I said, if the dog comes to Christmas, it has to stay in the hall, knowing the would mean she would not stay the night - and I think that's best too - the dog doesn't want to be here and we don't want him here. The feeling is mutual. It's only her who wants to bring him. But this has unleashed a huge problem. We've had calls from relatives, 'why isn't SIL allowed to come to Christmas?' We confirm she is, but the dog has to stay in the hall. We say we're going dog free due to hair and mess etc (the easy answer) .… 'but your neighbour was allowed in with his dog!' And he was and the reason is simple, when his (smaller) dog comes over, he has a fuss and then sleeps in the corner. He's no trouble.

So yes, the issue is two fold, it's about being made uncomfortable by the dog AND about her ordering us around in our own home. The kids are also not huge fans of the dog as they are both under four and have cried at his barking.

But SIL has made such a big deal out of this that my husband wants me to just 'get over it' but he's not the one hostessing and cooking and 'doing' Christmas.

So the idea of her not coming for Christmas was - well - okay with me. But now she says, she is coming to Christmas, without he dog, and that she won't speak to me while she's here. 'Okay, then I won't make her any Christmas dinner'. was my reply but my husband's shoulders went up to his ears. He is so stressed now, I don't want to make it worst. Any advice?

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BlouseAndSkirt · 18/12/2019 06:54

So the other relatives who pitched in on the drama haven’t invited her??

Have you been really direct: of course we want you to come, and we love the dog too. But we need to be honest, this is not a dog friendly house and Christmas is not a dog friendly occasion. Last Christmas (list all the rules) and this year we don’t think it fair or practical to impose that on the kids. Plus the 4 year old is terrified of the barking.
It isn’t personal, it’s just one of those things. So do come, you are very welcome. But if you wouldn’t enjoy it without the dog and want to go elsewhere we will miss yo but understand. If you do come we’ll all have a great time.”

But any talk of not talking to you and your DH needs to tell her she cannot be a guest in your house and be so rude.

Sharonthetotallyinsane · 18/12/2019 06:57

Is she this rigid about everything?

flouncyfanny · 18/12/2019 07:04

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Pajamagirl · 18/12/2019 07:27

You are not being unreasonable !
She is being a madam
No way would I have an untrained dog like this in the house with little children . As a pp said , it’s not a good mix

Send what fragles wrote / that’s perfect no room for mid interpretation

Btw as you are married and have children you are not ‘ water’ you are family and sil / Dh need to stop being so childish and recognise this ( and the children are blood ) maybe you have a dh problem too

CornishPorsche · 18/12/2019 08:41

Have you come to any decision OP? @Ventatron

sue51 · 18/12/2019 09:26

Why on earth would you feed and entertain someone who don't speak to you? Get DH to uninvite her and he can explain why to the relatives who stick their noses in. I see this as a DH problem that he must sort out.

frostedviolets · 18/12/2019 11:06

Gosh.

I don't think hallway will work because as a PP said, he dog will probably be agitated and whine, bark, pace, chew etc.

I think the only solutions are to insist dog stays leashed, insist dog is crated or just don't come.

I have a dog, she isn't allowed to enter the kitchen while im in it, she has to lay in her bed when guests come and I don't allow pestering for food/begging.

Whenever I've taken her to other people's houses she's been leashed and expected to lie quietly next to me.

mmgirish · 18/12/2019 11:16

Your SIL is a CF!! Imagine saying that she'll come to your home but not speak to you?

MzHz · 18/12/2019 11:37

The ONLY way to deal with wankers like your sister in law is what @WorldsOnFire said.

Send her the text and show her (and your defective h) that you WONT tolerate anyone calling the shots in your home, Christmas or not and the suggestion that she’ll come but ignore you is the thing that’s tipped this WAY over the edge!

No wonder nobody likes her! She’s AWFUL!

Havaina · 18/12/2019 13:44

Last time I suggested she put him in while we were eating, she said she'd but the boys in it instead.

She said she would put your children in the crate? Does she re-sent that her brother has kids as they take attention away from her?

Havaina · 18/12/2019 13:46

*resent

IM0GEN · 18/12/2019 13:52

The problem is you husband, not SIL. As you said, it is you that is doing everything for Christmas so you deserve to be able to relax and enjoy yourself

Outrageous that your SIL thinks she can come into your home and be hosted by you but then ignore you! Your children being able to enjoy Christmas day comes before her dog!

This. Have this out with your husband now.

He needs to grow up and put his children’s welfare and your feelings above his own need to be Mr Nice Guy with his family.

LasthingIlldo · 18/12/2019 16:42

Dog needs to be crated and away from food prep, chocolate and the dinner table.

Seriously there is nothing worse than a begging dog when trying to eat.

Don't pander to sil or you'll have years more of the same bs every Christmas she's invited. The main problem was that everyone pandered to her puppy demands last year so now she feels like her dog is
V. I. D guest #1(very important dog Hmm)

Oh and don't back down rinse and repeat this years dog rules for your home and every time she tries to push back stating she won't talk or put DC in crate don't take the bait just restate this years dog rules for your home.
Good luck you can do it!

ScreamingLadySutch · 18/12/2019 16:46

Your SIL is borderline #YesIsaidit

Country family here, dogs all our lives. That poor dog is undisciplined, probably under exercised, agitated and unhappy. Dogs are about PACKS and knowing where they are IN THE PACK. Poor dog.

"“The kids don’t like the dog. We don’t like our Christmas being dictated by a dog. SIL is welcome without the dog.” And repeat.... "

THIS

" Dear SIL, ... Dh has informed me that you will be coming but will not be speaking to me?? That's not acceptable to me. So we hope you and dog have a lovely Christmas and hope to see you in the new year."

THIS

Even unhappy borderline people need boundaries

cees · 18/12/2019 16:59

Oh my God just tell her not to come, all the bloody trouble she is causing is hardly worth having her in your home in the first place. If she dare turn her nose up at you then tell her to go and your weak willed sap of a husband can piss off out the door with her.
After hosting and preparing a lovely dinner if she so much as suggested any of the above nonsense that's it, out she goes.

paranoidmum2 · 18/12/2019 17:00

our SIL is borderline #YesIsaidit

Eh? You never said it! What is she borderline?

aSofaNearYou · 18/12/2019 17:19

It's totally unreasonable to be a guest in someone's house and benefit from their generosity whilst openly refusing to speak to them, and anyone that doesn't graciously understand if someone can't accommodate their dog is a dick. Let alone someone that sets a load of demands when they are kindly allowed to bring them despite the inconvenience. Your SIL has been unreasonable from start to finish and obviously can't come if she's going to refuse to speak to you.

vale46 · 18/12/2019 17:29

If she lives half an hour away can't she nip over for a nice dinner with you (and even, shock horror, speak to you and be nice to you) and then go home to the dog late afternoon?! Surely the dog can be left for a few hours if he has a long walk in the morning? xxx

Dilovescake21 · 18/12/2019 17:32

your SIL is being really rude and YANBU. I have had similar experiences with relatives who insist on bringing their spoilt dogs who are ruined by lack of training and totally dominate everything. I have my own dog who's really good and I love dogs but there's no way I'd let her dominate in someones else's home. Its a nightmare trying to cook a xmas dinner with 2 little dogs running under your feet and licking everything including the dishwasher and trying to steal food. Ignore your SIL - she needs to grow up.

MollyMinniesMum · 18/12/2019 17:43

Childless???? OMG the horror!!! ?? Who do you think you are? I agree, she and her dog would be much better off staying somewhere different

Havaina · 18/12/2019 17:50

@MollyMinniesMum maybe the ‘childless’ is due to the SIL telling OP she’ll put OP’s children in the dog crate?

MollyMinniesMum · 18/12/2019 17:53

Sounds reasonable

PrettyPurse · 18/12/2019 17:54

@Ventatron what have you decided to do?

MamaDane · 18/12/2019 17:54

I would not let a dog into my home at all lol. I really don't like dogs and I especially dislike untrained ones.

Let your husband deal with the cooking and hosting honestly if he wants to take your SILs side in this. She's being unreasonable and frankly annoying. One thing I dislike more than dogs is a dog "parent" 🙄

Sorry you have to deal with this, OP

DanceItOut · 18/12/2019 17:58

You need to just make it clear that the issue isn't that no dogs are allowed. It's that it is Christmas. It is busy and stressful and the dog is not a small quiet dog that will just curl up on a bed in the hall and relax. It will be stressed and whine and bark and want to be underfoot. If your children don't like that dog they are under no obligation to have to out up with it in their own home. I have dogs visit my home. I love dogs. Some are allowed back, others aren't. And I'm honest about why. I just tell them that sorry your dog was a bit too stressful in my home or that sorry my children didn't like your dog and don't feel comfortable around him so I wouldn't want them to feel that way in their own home.

You just need to stay calm, stay civil and take the high road. "of course SIL is invited for Christmas, however the dog is not invited because it will be to busy and stressful for me, the dog and my children." Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. If SIL comes and doesn't talk to you then just carry on being civil. Offer her food and drink as you would any other guest and when she doesn't reply or speak to you she just looks rude and childish.