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SIL and her Dog hijack Christmas

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Ventatron · 17/12/2019 09:20

Okay this is partly a vent, but also a 'what the hell do I do next'? question. Xmas Confused

My SIL is single, and childless and doesn't have any close friends. Last year she decided to buy a retriever puppy which as you can imagine, means the world to her. She brought it with her to stay over last Christmas. It was about 6 months old when it came and understandably, very puppy like, but my SIL imposed all these rules on us, in our own house about what we could and couldn't do - because of the puppy. We had to talk quietly, kids mustn't run, nobody was allowed to eat chocolate in case the dog got it, toys must be off the floor, we weren't allowed to sit on the floor because we must remain 'above the dog - all this at Christmas. She also wanted to sleep in the living room on the sofa with the dog because the dog doesn't 'do' stairs and when the kids came in a 6am to open presents she put the blanket over her head and asked when we would be finished.
Now the dog is twice the size and if you sit down on the couch, he sticks his nose in your face, and as she doesn't put him in his bed or wherever while we eat dinner he breathes on you while you're eating. He's always under foot, always restless and bored - poor thing - and he has a very loud and unpredictable bark. So this year, I said, if the dog comes to Christmas, it has to stay in the hall, knowing the would mean she would not stay the night - and I think that's best too - the dog doesn't want to be here and we don't want him here. The feeling is mutual. It's only her who wants to bring him. But this has unleashed a huge problem. We've had calls from relatives, 'why isn't SIL allowed to come to Christmas?' We confirm she is, but the dog has to stay in the hall. We say we're going dog free due to hair and mess etc (the easy answer) .… 'but your neighbour was allowed in with his dog!' And he was and the reason is simple, when his (smaller) dog comes over, he has a fuss and then sleeps in the corner. He's no trouble.

So yes, the issue is two fold, it's about being made uncomfortable by the dog AND about her ordering us around in our own home. The kids are also not huge fans of the dog as they are both under four and have cried at his barking.

But SIL has made such a big deal out of this that my husband wants me to just 'get over it' but he's not the one hostessing and cooking and 'doing' Christmas.

So the idea of her not coming for Christmas was - well - okay with me. But now she says, she is coming to Christmas, without he dog, and that she won't speak to me while she's here. 'Okay, then I won't make her any Christmas dinner'. was my reply but my husband's shoulders went up to his ears. He is so stressed now, I don't want to make it worst. Any advice?

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PersephoneandHades · 17/12/2019 09:48

The problem is you husband, not SIL. As you said, it is you that is doing everything for Christmas so you deserve to be able to relax and enjoy yourself.

Outrageous that your SIL thinks she can come into your home and be hosted by you but then ignore you! Your children being able to enjoy Christmas day comes before her dog!

PersephoneandHades · 17/12/2019 09:50

Also, you a perfectly within your right to not beat around the bush and just tell her ' all the rules you imposed because of your dog last Christmas made the day less enjoyable for our kids/ the family, and they are our priority on this day'.

Ventatron · 17/12/2019 09:50

She already has a crate but won't put him in it except at night. Last time I suggested she put him in while we were eating, she said she'd but the boys in it instead.

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melonhead · 17/12/2019 09:50

Good god this is ludicrous. Make it clear she's welcome but not the dog. I would absolutely hate this, especially as the children are young and the dog has not been trained.

Ventatron · 17/12/2019 09:50
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dontgobaconmyheart · 17/12/2019 09:50

I wouldn't cook dinner for someone who refused to speak to me tbh OP. If you don't want her dog in your house because it runs xmas for your DC and you then that's your decision. I'd point this out to her, get your DH to actually deal with his own sister and tell her to grow up? Declaring you'll go to someones house but won't speak to them- bloody hell how pathetic Confused. What a martyr.

QueenofallIsee · 17/12/2019 09:51

You have done the really hard bit OP, and stood your ground. Don’t back down and you are quite right that no one is coming to accept your hospitality and have the nerve to be rude to you in your own home! Bloody cheek

Ventatron · 17/12/2019 09:54

Thank you all for your support and your insights. I feel validated and able to put my foot down with determination and good manners. If she wants to be petty - fine - but I'm just going to show her how petty she's being.

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TwattingDog · 17/12/2019 09:58

I'd be rescinding the offer completely.

"No one is coming to my house to ignore me on Christmas Day, while I put in all time work and money to feed them".

Your perspective on the dog is reasonable BTW. I have a leggy 27kg dog who lies down when we are eating. No dogs upstairs except on special occasions. No dogs in the kitchen when I'm cooking. I gave up on the sofa, but we are an animal led household.

People with well behaved dogs are welcome. My best friend's dog is a bit of a mare as he barks at EVERYTHING but he gets told off by me - because its my house - and his owner, so is learning he can't do that here.

Stillfunny · 17/12/2019 09:58

Is there any if these relatives questioning you willing to have her for Xmas ?
And why cant the dog stay home? Where does it go when she is at work? It doesn't know it is Xmas!
We have a dog that we love. But if a child visits that is afraid , the dog goes outside. It doesnt harm it.It is a DOG.People should ALWAYS come before dogs.

Notwiththeseknees · 17/12/2019 09:58

There is a world of difference between a small well trained dog in the corner minding its own business and a big, bouncy, hairy retriever slobbering around the table.

I would explain to your husband, its our house, our rules and we are not having Christmas spoiled for the children because she refuses to train her dog. And repeat.

Stephminx · 17/12/2019 09:59

Sorry but no.

  1. Your house, your rules regarding the dog especially around children; and
  1. If she chooses to come respecting point 1, she will be treated with the hospitality you’d show any other guest and she must conduct herself in a manner befitting a grown woman rather than a petulant child. If not, make it clear she will he asked to leave and you expect her to do so without a fuss in front of your children.

Neither of the above are unreasonable and your DH should back you up on them. Without question.

Shesalittlemadam · 17/12/2019 10:00

@AlternativePerspective You can't shout at someone else's dogs Hmm Also, shouting at animals is abuse Hmm

Shesalittlemadam · 17/12/2019 10:01

@AlternativePerspective Why on earth do you have dogs?! You do not sound like an animal lover AT ALL!

KrampusTime · 17/12/2019 10:04

She sounds like a dickhead.

rowrowrowyaboat · 17/12/2019 10:05

I wouldnt invite over ever, xmas included! She sounds bloody awful! Feel for you OP, sounds like you have a sil from hell.

strawberry2017 · 17/12/2019 10:06

Ok I have a dog, I love my dog. However I would never take her somewhere she's going to cause problems. I know whose house she can go to and when to leave her at home.
She needs to get a grip.

Stephminx · 17/12/2019 10:07

BTW by your rules I mean those agreed with your DH. It is his house too and he should get a say in the matter.

Don’t pull the “I’m hosting everything so my word is law” card on this either. If you don’t want to do everything at Xmas, then ask him to / make him help.

Instatwat · 17/12/2019 10:07

I think you should have been honest when you told her the reasons for not allowing the dog to come into your living room (which are all perfectly reasonable)! Then when she came back about the neighbour's dog you can be honest again and say you allowed it because it was well-behaved. If you want her to grow up, you have to be an adult too and not take the easy option with excuses.

FraglesRock · 17/12/2019 10:12

Dear sil, we've had quite a few messages from family re Xmas and your dog so I thought we'd message directly so there's no misunderstanding. Last year your rules regarding the children not being able to play with toys etc spoilt the special time for all of us again. We thought we would compromise with your dog staying in the hall, however that's not acceptable to you. Dh has informed me that you will be coming but will not be speaking to me?? That's not acceptable to me. So we hope you and dog have a lovely Christmas and hope to see you in the new year.

Musti · 17/12/2019 10:22

I love my dog but understand and respect he's not welcome in certain places. And he's only a little dog who doesn't shed hair. Your sil is being a spoiled brat and she should train her dog because he's too big not to have firm rules. And your dh is being a dick.

Ohffs66 · 17/12/2019 10:23

I have a dog, she's my world. I'd rather stay home alone with her on Xmas Day than bring her to someone else's house if I thought it would inconvenience anyone in any way (she is well trained but quite highly strung so won't sleep peacefully in a corner with lots of people about, she'd be getting in everyone's way all the time and I'd have to keep a close eye on her esp with children around). It'd be nicer for the dog to stay home as well! Your SIL is being a dick. If the dog can be left there is no reason she can't pop over for a couple of hours, have a nice civilised lunch (with no ignoring) and then go home again. Those are the sort of sacrifices you have to accept when you get a dog, they are not welcome everywhere all of the time. A sensible dog owner would understand that.

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 17/12/2019 10:29

It sounds like the poor dog will be quite stressed being in a busy strange house for a day too. If SIL really prioritises his welfare, she won't mind staying at home.
If it's only 30 mins away surely you can all meet up for a lovely dog walk for family time, then return to your respective homes?!

Macnabber · 17/12/2019 10:32

I love my dogs but would be more than happy for them to stay in the hall. Badly behaved begging dogs are annoying.