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SIL and her Dog hijack Christmas

262 replies

Ventatron · 17/12/2019 09:20

Okay this is partly a vent, but also a 'what the hell do I do next'? question. Xmas Confused

My SIL is single, and childless and doesn't have any close friends. Last year she decided to buy a retriever puppy which as you can imagine, means the world to her. She brought it with her to stay over last Christmas. It was about 6 months old when it came and understandably, very puppy like, but my SIL imposed all these rules on us, in our own house about what we could and couldn't do - because of the puppy. We had to talk quietly, kids mustn't run, nobody was allowed to eat chocolate in case the dog got it, toys must be off the floor, we weren't allowed to sit on the floor because we must remain 'above the dog - all this at Christmas. She also wanted to sleep in the living room on the sofa with the dog because the dog doesn't 'do' stairs and when the kids came in a 6am to open presents she put the blanket over her head and asked when we would be finished.
Now the dog is twice the size and if you sit down on the couch, he sticks his nose in your face, and as she doesn't put him in his bed or wherever while we eat dinner he breathes on you while you're eating. He's always under foot, always restless and bored - poor thing - and he has a very loud and unpredictable bark. So this year, I said, if the dog comes to Christmas, it has to stay in the hall, knowing the would mean she would not stay the night - and I think that's best too - the dog doesn't want to be here and we don't want him here. The feeling is mutual. It's only her who wants to bring him. But this has unleashed a huge problem. We've had calls from relatives, 'why isn't SIL allowed to come to Christmas?' We confirm she is, but the dog has to stay in the hall. We say we're going dog free due to hair and mess etc (the easy answer) .… 'but your neighbour was allowed in with his dog!' And he was and the reason is simple, when his (smaller) dog comes over, he has a fuss and then sleeps in the corner. He's no trouble.

So yes, the issue is two fold, it's about being made uncomfortable by the dog AND about her ordering us around in our own home. The kids are also not huge fans of the dog as they are both under four and have cried at his barking.

But SIL has made such a big deal out of this that my husband wants me to just 'get over it' but he's not the one hostessing and cooking and 'doing' Christmas.

So the idea of her not coming for Christmas was - well - okay with me. But now she says, she is coming to Christmas, without he dog, and that she won't speak to me while she's here. 'Okay, then I won't make her any Christmas dinner'. was my reply but my husband's shoulders went up to his ears. He is so stressed now, I don't want to make it worst. Any advice?

OP posts:
diddl · 17/12/2019 14:20

What a drama.

She needs uninviting imo.

Threatening to not speak to you-fuck her off!

HavelockVetinari · 17/12/2019 14:21

So she's coming to your house, to eat your food, drink your drink and be hosted by you at your expense and she says she won't speak to you??! (Is she 5 years old btw?!) Absolutely not on, don't allow her to get away with this.

readitandwept · 17/12/2019 14:27

Liking @WorldsOnFire text.

I would be sorely tempted to make the following addition:

Please let me know if you will be accepting our invitation and terms, or taking up one of the many other invitations you must be considering Grin

justilou1 · 17/12/2019 14:31

Sounds like SIL needs to be smacked on the nose with a newspaper and sent outside

TheReef · 17/12/2019 14:31

Sounds like your sister and her dog needs to be taught some manners

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 17/12/2019 14:32

Sounds like SIL needs to be smacked on the nose with a newspaper and sent outside

Hahaha best reply on here. Grin

wheretonow123 · 17/12/2019 14:34

Not surprised that she is single and has no friends.

yes, very difficult position for you, one that you wouldnt have anticipated last year.

I think you have handled it as well as you can. You just have to remain consistent in your rules. Maybe you could have spoken to her directly about it & explained your reasoning - your husband may not have explained well.

I am surprised that this hasnt happened in her visits to other members of the family - or are you the only one she visits?

Winterdaysarehere · 17/12/2019 14:35

You need a crate op.
For sil and her ddog.
She has more attitude than my rotty!!

7salmonswimming · 17/12/2019 14:36

She said to crate your children Shock

Fuck that shit. She wouldn’t cross my threshold again.

If she thinks so little of me and my children, why on earth would she want to be in my house and spend time with me and my children? Because she has no better option? Her problem. If she wants her blood relative, DH can go spend Christmas with her and her dog. If he wants to spend it with his children, he has to tell her to shut up and get back in line if she comes to his house which he shares with people she’s so disdainful of.

Stupid woman.

Drum2018 · 17/12/2019 14:41

Sil needs a kick up the backside as does Dh. Does he often pander to his sister? Mil brought her dog to stay for a night one Christmas. The dog slept in the shed and wasn't allowed in to the house. Mil may not have been too happy with that arrangement but she respected it as did Dh. I wouldn't want sil coming for Christmas at all now. She will only spoil the day. She sounds like a petulant brat.

whattheactualfuckery · 17/12/2019 14:42

I didn't even read further than the rules your sister made! Ridiculous woman, you should be able to say me house my rules m, surely??

BreakWindandFire · 17/12/2019 16:06

OP, you'll have relatively few Christmases with young children, and you'll want to treasure them.

If she comes I think you'll look back on it and regret it. Your SIL has announced in advance that she's going to accept your hospitality but rudely snub you and treat you like dirt the entire day. Is she 13 or 31?

You are quite within your rights to say you don't want a badly behaved beast who isn't properly house-trained in your home. Nor her golden retriever either!

Halestorm · 17/12/2019 16:35

She's just a cunt via her dog.

FranklySonImTheGaffer · 17/12/2019 16:35

I think the answer is quite simple really.

  1. Tell SIL she is no longer invited dog or not.
  1. Tell DH to decide if he's having Christmas at home, with you or going to SILs.
  1. Refuse to explain to anyone else who asks. All you have to say is you're not going to talk about it - the second you start justifying you open up your reasons to arguments and negotiation.

It seems to me your DH is choosing to upset you so he doesn't have to upset her. He's prioritising the wrong person and feeding into why SIL feels she can be so demanding.

I am a dog lover and owner. So is MIL, but we have different rules. I don't say anything at her house when the dogs beg for food or misbehave, but at my house they're not allowed to do that, which she understands and respects.

Redwallisanovel · 17/12/2019 17:12

I wouldn't have someone in my home who refused to speak to me.

Your husband shouldn't put up with you being disrespected like that.

I'd be on the group text telling people they are welcome to come to Christmas dinner but the dog stays in the hall and if they don't like that and won't treat you respectfully they don't have to attend.

Call their bluff and don't let them bully you.

JasonPollack · 17/12/2019 17:19

What? Did your DH pass on the message to you, that she will come and not speak to you? Outrageous. He needs to grow some balls, immediately, and tell her either she comes without the dog and is civil or she stays at home.

TreeSwayer · 17/12/2019 17:43

I totally agree with WorldsOnFire and think that message is a great one.

The dog damaged your floors and her response was put down a rug? I hate it when people think dogs are as important as humans. You can crate a dog legally, I don't think social services would look favourably on crating children. She sounds like a complete fucking, petulant, nightmare.

Send WorldOnFire's message to her.

GuppytheCat · 17/12/2019 17:55

Asking for the dog to stay in the hall isn’t going to work, honestly. If it’s a badly trained dog, it’ll spend the whole meal whining, barking and scratching at the door. Much kinder to leave it at home and go back to walk it midday, or get it dog-sat.

I have a badly behaved dog Crown Blush. I don’t take her where she’s unwelcome while she’s a work in progress.

CallmeAngelina · 17/12/2019 17:56

WTF have I just read?????

She thinks she can come to your house for Christmas, but not speak to you, the hostess????
She can fuck right off with that.

Swirlygirl · 17/12/2019 18:06

She’s coming to your house, where she’s going to eat food your cooking and has already stated she won’t be speaking to you...

Oh no. Not on my watch! I’d tell your Dh to stop being a jelly fish too!

Any way she can’t love her dog THAT much as she’s leaving him all alone on Christmas Day! How tight is that!

PanamaPattie · 17/12/2019 18:11

May I suggest that if your DH is so keen to make his sister happy, then perhaps he would like to have lunch with her at her house with the dog.

HopeItComesWithBatteries · 17/12/2019 18:12

At least it’s not a couple of pigs, like another poster is being threatened with. 🤣

Joking apart, your SIL is behaving badly and disrespectfully towards you, and you DH is apparently happy for her to do so, as long as he’s not dragged into it. This has to stop right now and he has to realise where his loyalties lie. Would I entertain somebody who’d been rude enough to say in advance they’d be coming but ignoring me? Hell no! Nor should she get to spoil your children’s Christmas

Stick to your guns. You are currently the only reasonable one in this scenario, and your DH needs to grow a pair, tell his sister to behave or she’s not welcome and then you need to give him a list of jobs to do.

Trust me, being firm now will pay dividends in the long run. You don’t want this every year, do you? Good luck and merry Christmas. 🥂🎄

Palavah · 17/12/2019 18:19

they grew up with this 'blood is thicker than water' thing at home. Am I'm water.

And so is the dog.

Your house, your rules. Good advice from PPs about tiring the dog out and what other dog owners think is acceptable dog behaviour at Christmas.

However, you would be petty to be anything other than charming, generous and smileg to her when she's with you. If she chooses not to speak to you then you've been the bigger person.

HopeItComesWithBatteries · 17/12/2019 18:25

Also please don’t listen to the advice some are giving about “being the bigger person” in this situation. If she is allowed to come and behave badly all day she will see it as a victory, particularly as she’s made it an issue with a wider public, and this will only encourage her to behave even more badly and disrespectfully to you in the future.

People like this don’t suddenly “see the light” and undergo a damascene conversion. The only thing that works with them is a consistent “no” when they step out of line, along with consequences for continued bad behaviour.

Bluerussian · 17/12/2019 18:30

I would have thought your sister in law would have trained her dog a bit by now. Most people do and the training includes not intruding on people.

It's ridiculous to think she will come to your house but not speak to you. Is there anyone who can take her to one side and explain how unreasonable she is being?

Does your sister in law live far away? If she is reasonably close she could leave her dog for a while - apparently, if they are properly trained, up to four hours (I haven't had a dog since I was a child so I don't know). What does she do when she goes to work?

The other thing is she could stay at home and have Christmas on her own with her dog. A lot of people would really like to to do that. Or maybe spend Christmas day with similarly dog orientated friends if she has any.

I love all animals including dogs but they do have to behave around people and it's not impossible to train them to do so. I've known many who will stay in their bed if told.