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SIL and her Dog hijack Christmas

262 replies

Ventatron · 17/12/2019 09:20

Okay this is partly a vent, but also a 'what the hell do I do next'? question. Xmas Confused

My SIL is single, and childless and doesn't have any close friends. Last year she decided to buy a retriever puppy which as you can imagine, means the world to her. She brought it with her to stay over last Christmas. It was about 6 months old when it came and understandably, very puppy like, but my SIL imposed all these rules on us, in our own house about what we could and couldn't do - because of the puppy. We had to talk quietly, kids mustn't run, nobody was allowed to eat chocolate in case the dog got it, toys must be off the floor, we weren't allowed to sit on the floor because we must remain 'above the dog - all this at Christmas. She also wanted to sleep in the living room on the sofa with the dog because the dog doesn't 'do' stairs and when the kids came in a 6am to open presents she put the blanket over her head and asked when we would be finished.
Now the dog is twice the size and if you sit down on the couch, he sticks his nose in your face, and as she doesn't put him in his bed or wherever while we eat dinner he breathes on you while you're eating. He's always under foot, always restless and bored - poor thing - and he has a very loud and unpredictable bark. So this year, I said, if the dog comes to Christmas, it has to stay in the hall, knowing the would mean she would not stay the night - and I think that's best too - the dog doesn't want to be here and we don't want him here. The feeling is mutual. It's only her who wants to bring him. But this has unleashed a huge problem. We've had calls from relatives, 'why isn't SIL allowed to come to Christmas?' We confirm she is, but the dog has to stay in the hall. We say we're going dog free due to hair and mess etc (the easy answer) .… 'but your neighbour was allowed in with his dog!' And he was and the reason is simple, when his (smaller) dog comes over, he has a fuss and then sleeps in the corner. He's no trouble.

So yes, the issue is two fold, it's about being made uncomfortable by the dog AND about her ordering us around in our own home. The kids are also not huge fans of the dog as they are both under four and have cried at his barking.

But SIL has made such a big deal out of this that my husband wants me to just 'get over it' but he's not the one hostessing and cooking and 'doing' Christmas.

So the idea of her not coming for Christmas was - well - okay with me. But now she says, she is coming to Christmas, without he dog, and that she won't speak to me while she's here. 'Okay, then I won't make her any Christmas dinner'. was my reply but my husband's shoulders went up to his ears. He is so stressed now, I don't want to make it worst. Any advice?

OP posts:
TheHootiestChristmasOwl · 17/12/2019 11:33

She doesn’t have any close friends? I wonder why.

Hadalifeonce · 17/12/2019 11:34

Had a huge row with DH a few years ago, we are a no dog household, SIL wanted to bring hers, I said no, we had 14 that year. DH was all very, well I'm not keen either but she has no other option as no one else can take him. I found a local solution and gave SIL the details.
SIL wasn't keen on my solution, DH asked if I would throw them out if they turned up with the dog; I told him I wouldn't cos I wouldn't stay and he could organise 13 people for 3 days.
Surprisingly she found someone to look after the dog for her.

Wexone · 17/12/2019 11:41

Am sorry i am a dog lover and my dogs are like children to me, but if i was going to dinner in someone elses house donw the road i wouldn't bring him with me. I only bring him to my Mother in laws house as she has a dog to that is well used to my dog. If i did bring a dog to another house (That was allowed to) would abide by the rules. Not everyone is dog lovers

BarkandCheese · 17/12/2019 11:56

If she lives 30 mins away she can come for lunch and leave the dog at home. This year we’re going to my mum, she’s about 25mins away, she has cats and an open plan house with no where other than bedrooms or the bathroom to shut the dog away in, so the dog is staying at home. Dog will get a good walk in the morning then sleep while we’re out. Far less stress on everyone including the dog that way.

It’s your house and your rules. If your SIL insists on being a foot stamping brat then she can find somewhere else to go for Christmas.

AnneLovesGilbert · 17/12/2019 12:08

I can’t believe you went along with all that last year.

And it’s equally ridiculous that your husband doesn’t care if your kids have a shit Christmas as long as his stupid sister is happy.

justilou1 · 17/12/2019 12:16

What an egocentric PITA SIL is... dog will no doubt be one too. Can’t believe she has so many flying monkeys dancing to her tune as well... Sounds like DH is going to have to get his apron and recipe book out while you put your feet up at a lovely hotel!

MotherOfAllChristmases · 17/12/2019 12:18

She sounds like a delight OP!

Juliette20 · 17/12/2019 12:21

I think not leaving chocolate around is a reasonable compromise while the dog is there. We have two cats and have had two labrador puppies with small children in the house for Christmas dinner, and one of them was there for a week. The dogs didn't go upstairs, were not allowed on sofas, and if they couldn't sit down and behave themselves when we were having dinner then they would be put in another room.

The thing is your SIL has to be a responsible dog owner as well and compromise with what reasonable house rules you set. Otherwise dog is not welcome, and quite possibly, she isn't either.

justilou1 · 17/12/2019 12:23

SIL needs to be made to sit in the hall too, perhaps. 🤣

BruceAndNosh · 17/12/2019 12:23

Let her come without the dog and if she doesn't want to talk to you...
"SIL, do you want some turkey? SIL? SIL?"
No turkey for SIL then!

SandAndSea · 17/12/2019 12:29

I'm a dog person but I wouldn't tolerate the threat of a guest not speaking to me. I think I would invite DH to have Christmas at his sister's this year. Or, message her yourself: it's completely unacceptable that she thinks she can come and enjoy your hospitality whilst not speaking to you.

WorldsOnFire · 17/12/2019 12:30

OMG just deal with this like an adult.

“Tried to spare your feelings by saying it was about the mess but actually your insane rules and behaviour ruined our Christmas last year. This year we will be eating chocolate, sitting on the floor, speaking at whatever volume we like and the kids will spend as long as they like opening their Christmas gifts at 6am (because our small children are more important in this house than you or your dog). So either come and accept that we will not run Christmas around you and your ‘rules’ - or don’t come. If you decide to come and purposely ruin Christmas for my children by being awkward or ‘not speaking to me’ you will be kicked out!’

AnneLovesGilbert · 17/12/2019 12:33

WorldsOnFire 💪👍

GreenTulips · 17/12/2019 12:39

but on one hand saying no dogs, but then on the other allowing someone else's, realty isn't fair, is it ?

Dogs are no different to people. Some are well trained with good manners. Others shit everywhere and scratch the furniture.

It’s not about fair at all

MyGhastIsFlabbered · 17/12/2019 13:08

@WorldsOnFire you are my new hero!

MrsScrubbithatescleaning · 17/12/2019 13:11

OP, you must realise that there's no way she's going to arrive without the bloody dog.
She lives 30 mins away and she's going to lock him in her house all day? Not a chance.
She'll turn up with him as a fait accompli and expect you to accept it and her ridiculous rules because it's always worked for her in the past.

Stand up for yourself and your children.
I'd start by rescinding the offer to her to come for Christmas and tell her to find another mug.

We have a dog and cats etc. but I don't invite other dogs into my house, ever.
My house,my rules!

HowDoYouLikeThoseSuedeApples · 17/12/2019 13:25

I tolerate other people and their dogs, just. I would buy the dog a dog bed for the hall. SIL gift would be dog training lessons close to her home. Tell any relative phoning in complaints on her behalf how lovely they are for suggesting they host her and Wonderdug instead - thank them profusely. Tell you DH he’s working towards a doghouse of his very own.

Besidesthepoint · 17/12/2019 13:57

I'd just uninvite her tbh. People who refuse to talk have no business visiting. Dogs are pets and are not automatically welcome. The same people would be horrified if you came over with 15 pet rats and a snake.

mamansnet · 17/12/2019 14:02

@WorldsOnFire has got it! Definitely send her this!!!

cheesewitheverything · 17/12/2019 14:02

If she says she is coming without the dog now, then you've won basically, so let her come along and sulk and not speak to you while you act normal. She will look like a complete dick.

averythinline · 17/12/2019 14:03

no way she is coming if announcing she's not going to talk to you in advance.... your DH should remind her of manners as a guest - if she doesnt like it she doesnt come.... that is so rude....

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 17/12/2019 14:03

Another vote for what @WorldsOnFire said.

Stop pandering to her nonsense and tell her like it is.

PunishmentSnart · 17/12/2019 14:08

What.the.f**k!!!

She is a nightmare and a controlling one at that. Why do you all let her get away with it?

Phillipa12 · 17/12/2019 14:11

I had 5 dogs in my house last xmas, 4 spaniels and one 6 month old retriever. There were 6 very excited under 8s running around xmas morning, did the dogs bark, no, did they stick their heads in the dcs faces, no, did they eat the chocolate that the dcs had left on the floor, no, and its because they are trained....... i had 19 at my table and the dogs went to sleep on their beds in the hall, i love dogs but i would not tolerate your sils dog or your sil.

AlphaNumericalSequence · 17/12/2019 14:14

Dogs shouldn't be in another person's house unless the other person eagerly wants them there. If she is only 30 mins away, there are lots of options. She could come in the morning, pop home and walk the dog then come back in the afternoon, etc.
If she is driving there is also the option of leaving the dog in the car for chunks of the day, with a couple of walks and a couple of short periods in the hall.

It really totally isn't acceptable to assume that you can bring a bouncy young retriever into the middle of a Christmas home with young children present. I say that as a dog lover. I have a dog and the only house I bring him into is my dad's -- because he is totally dog-besotted and wouldn't want it any other way.