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I feel like he has cheated

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Loveontherocks100 · 16/12/2019 10:45

Please bear with me because this is quite long, and probably seems very stupid, but I really really can’t get over my husband lying to me/convince myself he didn’t have at best an emotional or worst a physical affair. Let me preface this by saying he works VERY long hours 8-10pm average so always at work. We have 1 baby and 1 on the way.

3 years ago he told me a (young, pretty) colleague at work (we are now 30 for context), had baked him a cake especially for him as he was moving Desk. He was teasing me that she fancied him. I thought this was quite inappropriate of her/an overreaction to a colleague (he’s her direct boss) so asked him to just shut it down. He said he did.

A year later I found an exchange of emails BY ACCIDENT (which I posted about at the time) where she asked if he was coming for drinks and he effectively said he was very sad he couldn’t because I was pregnant. Poor him. She replied “no risk no fun” and there was a great deal of winky emojis and all fairly inappropriate. Given the cake incident I was displeased and said I wanted him to stop indulging in flirting with a colleague he had said fancied him. A few months later he said she left the team for another one.

9 months later I basically find out (not from him) that she has been working for him all along. They sit near each other. He has repeatedly lied to me about it. He has been going for drinks with her and (supposedly) other colleagues. Going to nightclubs with her (and other colleagues) and lying about it whilst I’m at home with our baby.

It’s been months since I find this out and I just can’t get over it. It probably seems so small and stupid but I had to DRAG the information out of him with irrefutable proof. He just denied denied denied then said “oh I didn’t remember” blah blah blah and now I am just convinced in my mind they must have slept together at least once or kissed or flirted.

I don’t understand why else the flirting emails, the cake, the lies!?!

Am I insane?

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Gemma1971 · 16/12/2019 16:16

hackspirit.com/how-to-tell-if-your-boyfriend-is-cheating-10-signs-most-women-miss/

  1. Constantly mentioning someone…or stopping mentioning them
When you’re into someone, you tend to talk about them all the time, often without really realizing it.

If your boyfriend is cheating, it’s a weird irony that he might find himself ‘telling’ you about it by talking about his new interest all the time.

If a woman’s name keeps cropping up in conversation, then you have cause to be concerned.

When this happens, it’s often a work colleague or someone he’s met in a totally innocent context and this means that he doesn’t realize there’s anything strange about talking about them. In his mind, he’s not talking about the other woman, he’s just talking about work.

If he mentions a woman all the time and then suddenly stops mentioning them, that’s even more suspicious.

It’s a good indication that something that started out as a crush or a bit of flirting has now moved on to something physical.

Once he’s actually having an affair, he’ll usually realize that mentioning her all the time isn’t a great idea.

elmosducks · 16/12/2019 16:20

I would trust my instincts tbh

Loveontherocks100 · 16/12/2019 16:21

Ah. I searched for her name on his fb chat with his friends as I have his log in.

Few years ago he was chatting with them
About his colleague who has a similar name to a porn star and how he was always trying to stop himself from calling her that. What the fuck. Always the same girl. He was of course talking about this girl.

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Gemma1971 · 16/12/2019 16:22

Yuk. Slimeball.

Nicolastuffedone · 16/12/2019 16:30

I think I still did do a few calls

He’s laughing at yo behind your back

Loveontherocks100 · 16/12/2019 16:30

I know it’s 3 years ago - back when she was an intern. But the idea of him thinking of her in conjunction with a porn star/ having to TRY not to call her a porn star name. The following disgusting dialogue with his friends.

What the fuck. Am I overreacting? Why is it always this girl?!?!

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Loveontherocks100 · 16/12/2019 16:31

Didn’t post the photos

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BeyondFlubeInclusionaryRF · 16/12/2019 16:39

Love, have a look at chumplady.com
I'd been on mn for years while I was with xH and still couldn't do anything Just In Case. Chumplady was what kicked my arse into gear

Greenkit · 16/12/2019 16:39

He has lied

You can prove he has lied

He is still refusing to tell you the truth

He may or may not have had sex with this girl but he will never tell you.

If you allow him to get away with it, he will have the green light to do what ever he wants

He is not a good man or a good father

Leave x

LucyLocketss · 16/12/2019 16:42

I wouldn't be over concerned about that exchange with his mates. It's a private - if distasteful - conversation. That's not to say I would like it though because I wouldn't

You're driving yourself mad here though. And he now says he doesn't know if he fancies her? I'd be very upset about this. Do think more on what you want to do

Loveontherocks100 · 16/12/2019 16:47

But it’s the fact he is mentioning her at all to his best friends in private. Even years ago. In the same context as a porn star.

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Loveontherocks100 · 16/12/2019 16:47

”And he now says he doesn't know if he fancies her”

No he is saying he doesn’t know if she fancies him

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ravenmum · 16/12/2019 16:49

Unless you actually catch him at it by doing something dodgy like hiring a detective or using a key tracker, or going through his pockets, bank info and drawers for receipts, printed-out emails or phone records, he's not going to just confess. Actually, even if you do catch him, he still won't confess! Mine didn't.

If I was innocent in his position, I'd be saying something like "Oh god, I can see why you'd think that - it looks really bad for me and I understand why you've got the wrong impression, but honestly - look through my phone, do what you like, you'll see it was all innocent."

I'm guessing he's saying something more like "You're imagining things, and asking to see my phone shows that you are crazy"?

Loveontherocks100 · 16/12/2019 16:54

He said I’m just trying to catch him out and Looking for stuff and it’s bullshit and unfair

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Lozzerbmc · 16/12/2019 16:56

But you couldnt be caught out if you’ve done nothing wrong....

Lozzerbmc · 16/12/2019 16:58

I really feel for you OP its a horrible situation to be in. You’re not going to be able to find out for sure. I do agree though that if he was innocent he’d be doing everything he could to reassure you...

ravenmum · 16/12/2019 16:58

So he's refusing to show you his messages "unfiltered"?
Does he agree that his behaviour appears suspicious?

MsDogLady · 16/12/2019 17:00

Of course he fancies her. He manipulated you so he could have and eat his cake. He told you that she was gone, when in reality she was very much there, so he could play the single guy with her and you’d be none-the-wiser.

When you wised up, he had zero consequences for abusing your trust. He is confident that you will stay with him no matter how much he disrespects you. Your family bubble is toxic, but you seem willing to tolerate it instead of taking effective action. Of course it is ‘fair’ to send him away. He has treated you with utter contempt.

TheReef · 16/12/2019 17:09

I remember your old thread and I'll say the same thing again.

He's had/having an affair, either emotional or physical it's still an affair. He's lied, lied again and lied some more. He does this because he knows he can and you forgive him time after time after time.

Yes of course it's reasonable to kick him out, I'm sure the last time you threatened he promised you the earth to stop it happening, yet here we are again, more lies.

Give yourself the best Christmas pressy ever and kick the lying, cheating scum bag out

LucyLocketss · 16/12/2019 17:10

Ah I remember your old threads I think!

Just ditch him. Honestly - it's all a bit mad now

MerryDeath · 16/12/2019 17:10

this REEKS. so he knows you know??is there any opportunity for investigation e.g getting in his phone?? (he will lie if he's up to no good and it will look the same as when he's telling the truth!)

ravenmum · 16/12/2019 17:11

I'd also be interested to know if he has ever gone so far as a direct "I have never cheated on you". After I got evidence on my ex I realised he had never actually denied it outright; always skirted around it with "you don't know that" etc.

lyingwanker · 16/12/2019 17:12

I just think you will always drive yourself crazy thinking about this, no matter how much you might "want" to move on and be happy together (if that's what you chose) I've been there and tried it, the thoughts never ever went away.

If I could have my time again I would waste so much less of it on arsehole lying twats. Know your boundaries and fucking stick to them, if only I could take my own advice Hmm

Loveontherocks100 · 16/12/2019 17:17

He will let me check his messages etc but obviusly we are not together all week so he can easily (and has previously) delete stuff.

He is outright saying he has not cheated etc. But he outright said she was working in another bloody building!!! His outright means NOTHING.

Guys I really really need your strength. I have told him he cannot come home tonight and I will not discuss it further - I will put the key in the lock, switch off the bell and ignore knocking. He is sending messages begging and begging and begging. Very difficult

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Elmer83 · 16/12/2019 17:19

Are you sure he’s actually working the long hours he is declaring to you??