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I feel like he has cheated

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Loveontherocks100 · 16/12/2019 10:45

Please bear with me because this is quite long, and probably seems very stupid, but I really really can’t get over my husband lying to me/convince myself he didn’t have at best an emotional or worst a physical affair. Let me preface this by saying he works VERY long hours 8-10pm average so always at work. We have 1 baby and 1 on the way.

3 years ago he told me a (young, pretty) colleague at work (we are now 30 for context), had baked him a cake especially for him as he was moving Desk. He was teasing me that she fancied him. I thought this was quite inappropriate of her/an overreaction to a colleague (he’s her direct boss) so asked him to just shut it down. He said he did.

A year later I found an exchange of emails BY ACCIDENT (which I posted about at the time) where she asked if he was coming for drinks and he effectively said he was very sad he couldn’t because I was pregnant. Poor him. She replied “no risk no fun” and there was a great deal of winky emojis and all fairly inappropriate. Given the cake incident I was displeased and said I wanted him to stop indulging in flirting with a colleague he had said fancied him. A few months later he said she left the team for another one.

9 months later I basically find out (not from him) that she has been working for him all along. They sit near each other. He has repeatedly lied to me about it. He has been going for drinks with her and (supposedly) other colleagues. Going to nightclubs with her (and other colleagues) and lying about it whilst I’m at home with our baby.

It’s been months since I find this out and I just can’t get over it. It probably seems so small and stupid but I had to DRAG the information out of him with irrefutable proof. He just denied denied denied then said “oh I didn’t remember” blah blah blah and now I am just convinced in my mind they must have slept together at least once or kissed or flirted.

I don’t understand why else the flirting emails, the cake, the lies!?!

Am I insane?

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rockaround · 22/12/2019 08:27

I am so sorry you are going though this. When I experienced something similar it's the 'not knowing' part that really got to me. Never knowing what fully happened, trying to piece it all together from things he had said and trying to catch him out to tell me more and fill the gaps. It's torture. Having come out the other side I realise it doesn't matter what the truth was I could not trust him again and our relationship could never be the same again.

Loveontherocks100 · 22/12/2019 08:37

@rockaround

Yes - I am desperate to just understand the extent of the betrayal

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yesterdaystotalsteps123 · 22/12/2019 08:48

It's very early days and of course it's natural to want to know the worst. But give yourself time. I took mine back after cheating and it was a long slow painful death with 2 more years of lies and finding out more about the extent of the deceit. I'm one month into separation and on Friday night he emailed me trying to finally be "truthful" with me in a misguided attempt that I would give him another chance. He said he liked fucking her. That was it. It doesn't make me feel better and every day I'm glad his cheating hairy arse is out of my life and no longer fucking with my head. Be kind to yourself and get support irl. You can do this

LagerBrains · 22/12/2019 08:49

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disheveledpootea · 22/12/2019 08:56

@largerbrains by name
But definitely NOT by nature.

Please help yourself to the exit, and try not to trip over yourself on the way out.

disheveledpootea · 22/12/2019 08:57

Ok, just seen your name is lager brains...

That makes even more sense...

simplekindoflife · 22/12/2019 09:01

I'd want to know everything too OP and I would've done the same thing Thanks

Hope she gives you the answers you deserve.

I can't believe he isn't!! Such a lack of bloody respect. Bastard.

FreshStart01 · 22/12/2019 09:09

Jeez mumsnetters, lagerbrains is just giving a different opinion, since when in our society is that not allowed. Grow up!

madparrotlady12 · 22/12/2019 09:14

Hi op you have done the right thing throwing him out . Right now your probably running on adrenaline. The next few hours and days will be so hard but only you can decide what you want . I would say now through going through what you have to stick to your guns because they never change for long but it took me tens years of leaving and going back . I will make you feel guilty and sorry for him but that's only because he has realised he has been caught out and maybe a little bit of him will relalise what he has lost . And he's lost a lot ❤️ but after he stops feeling sorry for him self he will go back to what he is doing . Xxx

CoffeeChocolateWine · 22/12/2019 09:35

I’m so sorry OP. What a bastard. Hope you have some friends/family to support you today.

LagerBrains · 22/12/2019 09:36

@disheveledpootea, Why would I trip over myself ? What is it that you dislike and disallow - another point of view different to your own ?

I think that's what they call controlling.....hmmmm, a bit of a theme here I see....

@FreshStart01 - thank you :)

GatoFofo · 22/12/2019 09:51

So sorry this is happening to you. Sadly you’ll probably never know the extent of what’s happened.
Do NOT let him guilt trip you. His actions have ruined your marriage and split up your family, not yours. Much better to split before the child/ren are aware.
I hope you have some real life support today Flowers

elmosducks · 22/12/2019 10:23

How are you this morning? He's a cruel liar. So sorry he is doing this to you x

Loveontherocks100 · 22/12/2019 10:34

She sent me a lovely replying saying they are only colleagues and nothing more and always have been. And that she hopes I have a lovely break.

His phone has been here as he came back to walk the dog so she didn’t email him my message to ask what to say or anything

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SurfingGiantess · 22/12/2019 10:48

What was in the emails?
Of course she's going to say that. But that's a lie already. Because she has sent inappropriate emails" no risk no fun!!! "
And baked cakes to show him she is a good baker also gives him personalised gold balls?
He says the emails were inappropriate. So these are the facts you know of. And that already is more than just being colleagues!
So she's lying.
You found opened condoms and missing condoms.
You coukd ask him yo show you everything on his phone and computer right now in front of you. If he doesn't it's over.
Either way it's not on you. It's on him. He has done this.
Even just the fact that there were inappropriate emails would be a trust break for me so I wouldn't be able to stay with him any longer.

holidayhelpp · 22/12/2019 10:53

So sorry op.

Happygirl79 · 22/12/2019 10:53

Go with your instincts
They are always right
If you feel something is wrong chances are it is

MoStew18 · 22/12/2019 10:56

I agree with @SurfingGiantess he already stated that he deleted the inappropriate messages because he like the ego stroke.. I'm sorry OP Thanks

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/12/2019 11:13

she didn’t email him my message to ask what to say or anything

She didn't need to; someone this manipulative will have already covered what to do if you became suspicious, even more so when the office visit loomed into view

His side of the story is he can compartmentalise so didn’t feel bad lying

And now if you took him back he'd blame you for failing to understand any future deceits, because you've been told "how it is"

Like so many PPs I've been there - 30 plus years of marriage all built on a lie, and sadly they don't change

friendlycat · 22/12/2019 11:21

OP. She isn’t going to tell you the truth either as it would reflect so terribly badly on her. Your gut and evidence is telling you the truth. A man doesn’t need condoms in his work bag for nothing and deep down you know that. It might even be someone else but why all the emails and then the worse ones deleted. Why all the lies? Your husband knows he has a lot at stake here and isn’t going to come clean as that blows a mighty hole through the roof. He’s just going to try and minimise everything to keep you onside and keep your marriage together. Be honest with yourself if he did really tell you the whole truth it would presumably be too much for you to ignore so for him the only way is to continue to lie and try and convince you he is innocent of wrongdoing but the evidence is there for you to see. I hope today you can see a friend or family for some support.

Loveontherocks100 · 22/12/2019 11:23

He has admitted to wanting to sleep with her. But wouldn’t have done it.

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ballsdeep · 22/12/2019 11:26

I have a feeling more will come out op. Every time you talk to him something else seems to spring out.

friendlycat · 22/12/2019 11:26

Even leaving his phone at home whilst he walks the dog surely is a planned thing as he must know you will have looked at it but he will have deleted so much stuff. And guess what it’s kind of worked as the phone being there has led you to believe that there hasn’t been communication re your email.

GatoFofo · 22/12/2019 11:27

It’s natural to want to clutch at straws, but really the truth is in the facts:
His lying
The condoms
His tears (big one, this)
The deleted emails

Like a pp said, in all likelihood the OW is probably somebody else entirely, not tge woman you suspect.

MoStew18 · 22/12/2019 11:28

Oh OP that's disgusting!!! He's an absolute pig!!
I'm so so sorry, I'm really sending you hugs ThanksThanks